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 SPM Thread 08/09 (V 3), SPM is coming soon..!!!! Final days..!!

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post Oct 28 2008, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(work_tgr @ Oct 27 2008, 09:10 AM)
Not necessary.

There is no obvious statement to tell SPM students about what exactly makes the value of pH. Of course, it must be related with the content of OH- and H+.

So, week acid such as ethanoic acid of 0.1moldm^-3 could be higher than 1 because it doesn't dissociate completely.

But, if the molarity increase to 1moldm^-3  or higher, it could be pH1.
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Difference between weak acids and strong acids.

Strong acids: 100% dissociation of hydrogen ions
Weak acids: less than 1% dissociation of hydrogen ions

To measure pH, we need to know the concentration of hydrogen ions in its solution, not the concentration of acid molecules/anions.

In strong monoprotic acids, [hydrogen ions] = [anion]. (ratio = 1:1)
In strong diprotic acids, [hydrogen ions] = 2 x [anion]. (ratio = 2:1)

In weak acids (whether mono-, di-, or triprotic), [hydrogen ions] << [acid molecules]. (ratio = less than 0.01 :1)

The larger the concentration of hydrogen ions, the smaller the pH value is. Its converse is also true.

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let weak acid X of 5 mol dm^-3 has 2% dissociation of hydrogen ions.

[hydrogen ions present in the solution] = 5 x 2% = 0.1 mol dm^-3 <---- pH=1

If I had compared X with a strong acid of 5 mol dm^-3, the pH of the strong acid would have been much lower than 1.

There's no need to worry about weak acids with pH=1. This has been excluded by SPM syllabus. This is useful for foundation in science/engineering, though.
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post Oct 28 2008, 11:05 AM


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so in SPM syllabus, weak acid not possible to have a pH less than 2?
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post Oct 28 2008, 12:03 PM

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Hmm... According to my TEACHER. ( My uncle actually... so i can really trust him =D )
Weak acid has PH of 3-6. So.... =D
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post Oct 28 2008, 12:50 PM


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QUOTE(igmroey @ Oct 28 2008, 12:03 PM)
Hmm... According to my TEACHER. ( My uncle actually... so i can really trust him =D )
Weak acid has PH of 3-6. So.... =D
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no matter how concentrate?
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post Oct 28 2008, 02:17 PM

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Give me some examples. I'll try and enlighten you if i can.
If the question asks Concentrated Ethanoic Acid. IMHO, its still a weak acid. Because ethanoic acid IS A WEAK ACID.


For example,
A weak man.
A weak man is STILL A MAN. Even though he is weak. ( Lol out of topic)
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post Oct 28 2008, 02:23 PM


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here is the ques
when 0.1 mol dm-3 solution L is tested wiuth pH paper, the colour change shows that solution L has a pH of 3.Which of the following is possibly solution L?
A. WEAK ETHANOIC ACID
B. DILUTE SULPHURIC ACID
C. AMMONIA AQUEOUS SOLUTION
D. SODIUM HYDROXIDE SOLUTION.
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post Oct 28 2008, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Oct 28 2008, 02:23 PM)
here is the ques
when 0.1 mol dm-3 solution L is tested wiuth pH paper, the colour change shows that solution L has a pH of 3.Which of the following is possibly solution L?
A. WEAK ETHANOIC ACID
B. DILUTE SULPHURIC ACID
C. AMMONIA AQUEOUS SOLUTION
D. SODIUM HYDROXIDE SOLUTION.
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C and D is totally out so I think its B
Btw the term [WEAK] ethanoic acid is kinda inappropriate. Shouldn't it be [DILUTE] ethanoic acid?

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post Oct 28 2008, 02:33 PM


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a math ques here.. which of the following is equal to universal set?
A P intersect Q
B. P subset Q
C. { }'
D. P U Q
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post Oct 28 2008, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Oct 28 2008, 02:33 PM)
a math ques here.. which of the following is equal to universal set?
A P intersect Q
B. P subset Q
C. { }'
D. P  U Q
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D?
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post Oct 28 2008, 02:39 PM

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C. {} is a null set, {}' means not a null set, which means everything.
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post Oct 28 2008, 03:21 PM


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oh..wait..let me digest first


Added on October 28, 2008, 3:42 pmphysics ques
Q1A metal block X of mass 8 kg is heated by an electric heater. The electric heater is marked 240V, 160 W, 40*c rise in temp is obtained after the heater is used for 4 min. Neglect the heat lost , what is the specific heat capacity of metal X in SI unit?

Q2 How much heat is needed to change 600g of ice at 0*c to water at 60 *c ( specific latent heat of fusion of ice =3.34 x 10^5, specific heat capcity of water = 4200)

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post Oct 28 2008, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Oct 28 2008, 03:21 PM)
oh..wait..let me digest first


Added on October 28, 2008, 3:42 pmphysics ques
Q1A metal block X of mass 8 kg is heated by an electric heater. The electric heater is marked 240V, 160 W, 40*c rise in temp is obtained after the heater is used for 4 min. Neglect the heat lost , what is the specific heat capacity of metal X in SI unit?

Q2 How much heat is needed to change 600g of ice at 0*c to water at 60 *c ( specific latent heat of fusion of ice =3.34 x 10^5, specific heat capcity of water = 4200)
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1) c = 120 J kg^-1 *C^-1

2)4.852 x 10^5 J
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Version 3 already?

Urh, SPM in two weeks.
DARN. D:
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post Oct 28 2008, 03:48 PM


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QUOTE(tonnect91 @ Oct 28 2008, 03:46 PM)
1) c = 120 J kg^-1 *C^-1

2)4.852 x 10^5 J
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Q2 ans are u sure?
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post Oct 28 2008, 03:50 PM

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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Oct 28 2008, 03:48 PM)
Q2 ans are u sure?
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Wrong?
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think so..how you do list it out
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post Oct 28 2008, 03:51 PM

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3.34 x 10^5 + [0.6 x 4200 x 60]
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post Oct 28 2008, 03:52 PM


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QUOTE(tonnect91 @ Oct 28 2008, 03:51 PM)
3.34 x 10^5 + [0.6 x 4200 x 60]
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your working i think wrong..you no use mL??
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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Oct 28 2008, 03:52 PM)
your working i think wrong..you no use mL??
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Oh shit... Sorry sweat.gif

3.516 x 10^5 J
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oh..then my ans correct then..haha..thx ya

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