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 SPM Thread 08/09 (V 3), SPM is coming soon..!!!! Final days..!!

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post Oct 27 2008, 08:58 AM


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ya..it's A
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post Oct 27 2008, 09:03 AM

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pH 1 is the measurement for strong acid.

For SPM, 0.1moldm^-3 is considered as strong acid
D could be right, but it is ethanoic acid (a week acid), even though its molarity is 0.1moldm^-3, its pH still higher than 1.

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post Oct 27 2008, 09:06 AM


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So, in SPM SYLLABUS, WEAK ACID impossible to have pH value less than 2?

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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Oct 27 2008, 09:06 AM)
So, in SPM SYLLABUS, WEAK ACID impossible to have pH value less than 2?
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Not necessary.

There is no obvious statement to tell SPM students about what exactly makes the value of pH. Of course, it must be related with the content of OH- and H+.

So, week acid such as ethanoic acid of 0.1moldm^-3 could be higher than 1 because it doesn't dissociate completely.

But, if the molarity increase to 1moldm^-3 or higher, it could be pH1.

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so if weak acid is concentrated, the ph value could be less than 1 la? how abt dilute sulphuric acid..ph 2?
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QUOTE(vick5821 @ Oct 27 2008, 09:12 AM)
so if weak acid is concentrated, the ph value could be less than 1 la?
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yes, pH 1. But less than 1 ? hmm.gif
QUOTE(vick5821 @ Oct 27 2008, 09:12 AM)
how abt dilute sulphuric acid..ph 2?
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It's based on experiment and we can not tell by the concentration to get the exact value of pH. But, we can make a rough guess. pH2 is still under the group of concentrate acid.

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post Oct 27 2008, 09:21 AM


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oh..so a ques here

when 0.1 mol dm-3 solution L is tested wiuth pH paper, the colour change shows that solution L has a pH of 3.Which of the following is possibly solution L?
A. WEAK ETHANOIC ACID
B. DILUTE SULPHURIC ACID
C. AMMONIA AQUEOUS SOLUTION
D. SODIUM HYDROXIDE SOLUTION.

i know C and D is out already..
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yes, C&D are alkali and B is better answer than A because pH of WEAK ETHANOIC ACID around 5 or 6.
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post Oct 27 2008, 09:29 AM


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QUOTE(work_tgr @ Oct 27 2008, 09:27 AM)
yes, C&D are alkali and B is better answer than A because pH of WEAK ETHANOIC ACID around 5 or 6.
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if strong ethanoic acid? btw..the book ans is A leh
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post Oct 27 2008, 09:41 AM

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Got any tips for physics? That's my weakest subject besides addmath of course. The only chapter in physics that I understand is Radioactivity. The rest go kelaut already.


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post Oct 27 2008, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(Leto Kynes @ Oct 27 2008, 08:43 AM)
Like KingKong said.. IV should definitely be out since Carboxylic Acids are weak acids..

I and II should be in.. and since there's no answer for just I and II then I guess it's C? tongue.gif
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answer is C

QUOTE(vick5821 @ Oct 27 2008, 09:21 AM)
oh..so a ques here

when 0.1 mol dm-3 solution L is tested with pH paper, the colour change shows that solution L has a pH of 3.Which of the following is possibly solution L?
A. WEAK ETHANOIC ACID
B. DILUTE SULPHURIC ACID
C. AMMONIA AQUEOUS SOLUTION
D. SODIUM HYDROXIDE SOLUTION.

i know C and D is out already..
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Mostly is B...why A?..if its weak CH3COOH then the pH value is around 4.5~5.5...why 3?
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post Oct 27 2008, 10:56 AM

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Added on October 27, 2008, 11:00 am
QUOTE(vick5821 @ Oct 27 2008, 09:29 AM)
if strong ethanoic acid? btw..the book ans is A leh
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Maybe because pH value of sulphuric acid is 2. SO, the pH value of dilute sulphuric acid > 2.
pH value of ethanoic acid is 3. So, pH value of weak ethanoic acid > 3.

C and D is out. SO the best answer is A : Sulphuric acid.

pH value is Reference from revision book.


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Vick, that question is from what book? Some workbooks are not good, the questions they give are ridiculous with wrong answers, I had such a book once.
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QUOTE(work_tgr @ Oct 27 2008, 09:10 AM)
Not necessary.

There is no obvious statement to tell SPM students about what exactly makes the value of pH. Of course, it must be related with the content of OH- and H+.

So, week acid such as ethanoic acid of 0.1moldm^-3 could be higher than 1 because it doesn't dissociate completely.

But, if the molarity increase to 1moldm^-3  or higher, it could be pH1.
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tis correct? but other ppl told me that no wor

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post Oct 27 2008, 02:36 PM

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Guys, since there's so many experiments in Bio,Chem and Physics. How do you guys memorize all of them since the questions in SPM experiments will be randomly out.

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QUOTE(ilovecookies92 @ Oct 27 2008, 02:36 PM)
Guys, since there's so many pekas in Bio,Chem and Physics. How do you guys  memorize all of them since the questions in SPM Peka will be randomly out.
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Only Peka? Isn't it all experiments?
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QUOTE(PetroToxin @ Oct 27 2008, 03:15 PM)
Only Peka? Isn't it all experiments?
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Oops. Sorry. Experiments. *Edited*
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QUOTE(macamtakada @ Oct 27 2008, 10:56 AM)
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All the tita will be substituted with x because I can't type tita out.

2)
2 tan2x = square root x
tan2x = (square root x)/2
2x = 40.8934, 220.8934
x = 20.4467, 110.4467

3)
Translate them into a diagram.
Hope you'll understand.
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a)sin (P+Q)
=sin P cos Q + cos P sin Q
=3/5(-12/13) + 4/5(-5/13)
=-56/65

b)tan (P-Q)
=(tan P - tan Q) / (1 + tan P tan Q)
=(4/3 - 12/5) / [1 + (4/3)(-12/-5)]
=-16/63

4)Where are the symbols?
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post Oct 27 2008, 03:39 PM

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Hey , I came across this question . It's something similar with the question about the concentration of hydrogen ions .

Which of the following has the highest concentration of hydrogen ion ?
A . 20cm3 of 0.5mol dm-3 ethanoic acid
B . 10cm3 of 1.0mol dm-3 sulphuric acid
C . 5cm3 of 2.0 moldm-3 hydrochloric acid
D . 1cm3 of 10.0mol dm-3 methanoic acid

How to do ?
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post Oct 27 2008, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(Mu619 @ Oct 27 2008, 03:39 PM)
Hey , I came across this question . It's something similar with the question about the concentration of hydrogen ions .

Which of the following has the highest concentration of hydrogen ion ?
A . 20cm3 of 0.5mol dm-3 ethanoic acid
B . 10cm3 of 1.0mol dm-3 sulphuric acid
C . 5cm3 of 2.0 moldm-3 hydrochloric acid
D . 1cm3 of 10.0mol dm-3 methanoic acid

How to do ?
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From the looks of it, I will pick B.

A and D is out because they are weak acids that only dissociate partially.
Both B and C has the same number of moles, but B is a diprotic acid, which means it has two hydrogen atoms.

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