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post Feb 4 2009, 10:41 AM

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Hi everyone,

I'm hunting for a 22" LCD Widescreen... Preferably full 1080.
Do you guys have any suggestion? I've read few topics here, but a lot just based on 1brand user. So i would like to get opinion from those who have experience at other brand also.

So far i'm getting:
1. Samsung 2233 sw (although it's only 21.5 :-(
2. BenQ T2200HD
3. Asus VK222H


Will u recommend any of those? Or u have something else in mind?

Thanks lots....!!!!!

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post Feb 4 2009, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(:3mushy:3 @ Feb 4 2009, 01:37 PM)
So far there's no truly 22" for 16:9 monitor yet

@axbx

Don't expect much difference from 'renown' or 'superior' brand because they all use TN panel, the colors and viweing angle is limited. The contrast ratio is, to me, only in function when there are lots of black or dark colours on the full screen display
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ic, so you are saying, any of those will do? Then samsung will do I guess hmm.gif

I thought the BenQ was a 16:9 (read from a review, can't recall the site) Doesn't matter then brows.gif

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post Feb 4 2009, 03:37 PM

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Ok, Samsung 2233sw (2333sw is tempting also tongue.gif) seems like a good choice, now I got another one: DELL S2409WFP (HDMI input, gosh....)

Between that two, which one will you take?

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post Feb 5 2009, 12:30 AM

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Ok, Samsung 2233sw (2333sw is tempting also tongue.gif ) seems like a good choice, now I got another one: DELL S2409WFP (HDMI input, gosh....)

Between that two, which one will you guys take? need 1 last opinion...thx.. heheh..

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post Feb 5 2009, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(Zhou @ Feb 5 2009, 12:47 AM)
I recommend Dell S2409W.....
Got it in garage sales for RM650 include delivery^^
I'm fully satisfied wif tis monitor^^
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QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Feb 5 2009, 01:08 AM)
what about picture quality?
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Hm, yeah, how about the quality?Can it match 2333sw? Nothing against Dell, it's just quite unbelievable 24" with RM650 tongue.gif

@Zhou >> How's the Dell's contrast and sharpness? U r using is now rite?
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post Feb 5 2009, 11:20 AM

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@kianwee >> dude, can u give me any solution on Samsung 2333sw or Dell S2409W? hehe... Looks like you know a thing or two about LCD.
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QUOTE(kianwee @ Feb 5 2009, 01:14 PM)
If I were you, S2409W would be my choice, extra 1" and HDMI input. But make sure the warranty is really legitimate because AFAIK, DELL RMA based on the registered address during purchase. (I assume you're getting from forumer below market price)
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ic... even though the dynamic contrast ratio is 20,000:1 to 1,000:1 for Samsung?

Thx mate, big help there... rclxms.gif

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post Feb 5 2009, 11:47 PM

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QUOTE(davidmak @ Feb 5 2009, 10:09 PM)
Actually both have the same native contrast ratio which is 1,000:1. Samsung adds variation of brightness to enhance the difference between lighter and darker pixels causing a higher dynamic contrast ratio reading. But essentially it is still a 1,000:1 panel. No higher than that.
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Ok then... Dell S2409w it is..!!! hahahha...

Thx lot for kianwee & davidmak, for the inputs...hohoho.... rclxms.gif thumbup.gif


Added on February 5, 2009, 11:49 pm
QUOTE(kianwee @ Feb 5 2009, 11:30 PM)
user posted image
user posted image
Viewing angle on DELL 2209WA e-IPS
Dude, that angle still that CLEAR??? drool.gif gosh..!!! that's killer..!! shakehead.gif

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post Feb 7 2009, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(vinothen @ Feb 7 2009, 01:30 PM)
DELL S2409W VS Samsung 2333SW. which is better in terms of image quality. i am in for gaming. and can anyone explain me the difference between dynamic and typical contrast ratio. both typical contrast ratio are the same. but the dynamic contrast ratio of the samsung is 15000:1 but the DELL did not state any.
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I was confused about that also biggrin.gif but thx to all the inputs, I've chosen Dell (but haven't buy yet, end of month tongue.gif )

About the Contract ratio, I got a detail explanation from cloudwan


Contrast Ratio's

The ratio of the luminosity of the brightest and the darkest color the system is capable of producing simultaneously at any instant of time is called static@typical contrast ratio, while the ratio of the luminosity of the brightest and the darkest color the system is capable of producing over time is called dynamic contrast ratio.

Dynamic contrast ratio

A notable recent development in the LCD technology is the so called "dynamic contrast" (DC). When there is a need to display a dark image, the display would underpower the backlight lamp (or decrease the aperture of the projector's lens using an iris), but will proportionately amplify the transmission through the LCD panel. This gives the benefit of realizing the potential static contrast ratio of the LCD panel in dark scenes, when the image is watched in a dark room. The drawback is that if a dark scene does contain small areas of superbright light, image quality may be over exposed.

The trick for the display is to determine how much of the highlights may be unnoticeably blown out in a given image under the given ambient lighting conditions.

Brightness, as it is most often used in marketing literature, refers to the emitted luminous intensity on screen measured in candela per square metre (cd/m2). The higher the number, the brighter the screen.

It is also common to market only the dynamic contrast ratio capability of a display (when it is better than its static contrast ratio), which should not be directly compared to the static contrast ratio. A plasma display with a static 5000:1 contrast ratio will show superior contrast to an LCD display with 5000:1 dynamic and 1000:1 static contrast ratio when the input signal contains full range of brightnesses from 0 to 100% simultaneously. However they will be on par when input signal ranges only from 0 to 20% brightness.


Soooo it means that everytime it would be much wiser to look at the typical/static contrast ratio comparing to dynamic contrast ratio, the higher the number doesn't mean it would be much better.. It's all just number games by the manufacturer/seller to fool uneducated buyers..

Read here to find out more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_contrast
http://www.practical-home-theater-guide.co...rast-ratio.html

Hope these help
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post Feb 7 2009, 08:32 PM

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QUOTE(vinothen @ Feb 7 2009, 06:15 PM)
i like the way u explain. so ur choosing dell?? well u just opened my eyes. nod.gif so i am also planning to buy DELL. thx for ur info.
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Hohoho, thx to kianwee & davidmak & cloudwan for the inputs and details... So might as well get the 24" with HDMI rather than a 23", "15,000:1" but no HDMI....

Good for you, I can only buy this LCD end of month doh.gif Hopefully still have stock with same price sweat.gif
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post Feb 9 2009, 11:08 AM

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Just helping here, there's a UK thread about S2409w, for those of you who want to see the picture and user's opinion, can go and read them HERE

Hopefully it helps...

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QUOTE(irienaoki @ Feb 9 2009, 03:38 PM)
the s2409w is too long with 1920x1080 reso....

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dude,
what do u mean by "too long"? it's a 16:9 rite, so i guess should be that way? isn't it? blink.gif

how's the sharpness and quality? i'm planning to get one also rclxms.gif

P.S. if don't mind, post some pictures? heheheh tongue.gif

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post Feb 10 2009, 10:55 AM

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that's PC game?

how bout the desktop pic? hehe...thx lot man... so troublesome tongue.gif
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post Feb 10 2009, 12:47 PM

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Anyone has see Dell S2409W's Gradient Banding?
I'm afraid it's not smooth as I'll be using it for Design work also...

Thx bunch...
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post Feb 10 2009, 03:02 PM

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What if I want to do design work; Photoshop? Is Dell s2409w good enough? I'm only afraid the color is not smooth, especially the gradient, i'll be in big sh** if the LCD can't show the true gradient banding...

anyone can help on this? rite now i'm thinking about s2409w or 2333sw

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post Feb 10 2009, 03:25 PM

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QUOTE(rsangel @ Feb 10 2009, 03:16 PM)
I use the quote from ravewar, u can read the "ask yourself" section  laugh.gif

so for design, photographic usage, no doubt.... IPS/VA panel will do smile.gif
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aiks, IPS panel, more expensive? doh.gif darn...!! just my luck then..

thx dude...
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post Feb 10 2009, 04:29 PM

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yeah, i guess i'll stay with Dell then... can't afford IPS now...
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QUOTE(chiakm @ Feb 10 2009, 05:00 PM)
There's always the Dell S2209WA. It uses an IPS panel. Saw from the Dell website that it's going for around RM1k.
But hopefully there's some1 selling it cheaper here cuz it's interested.
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yeah, but it's not 1080, and it's a 6ms response time (if the info i got is correct)... Anyway, it's still another week before i can buy hehehe...

hey, if u want, there's one selling HERE ...

Thx for the input dude...
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post Feb 10 2009, 09:12 PM

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QUOTE(kianwee @ Feb 10 2009, 08:19 PM)
Never use a TN panel if you're a professional designer or designing is a part of your career. The color is not accurate.
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rclxub.gif any recommended LCD from you dude? but i'm in budget actually, not more than 750 doh.gif , i wanna get 23" or 24"
how about Samsung 2333sw?
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post Feb 11 2009, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(ravewar @ Feb 11 2009, 11:25 AM)
well, TN panels are actually not bad, they have high response time, but they have the issue of inconsistency in colour reproduction and limited viewing angles...whereby ppl in the, say, advertising businesses, have very strict colour requirements...that's why they utilize colour systems such as pantone, etc etc....

a slight change of variation will result in totally different hues of shades and/or discolouration, and may inherently cause them to lose their accounts etc etc....
VA/IPS panels are never known as gaming panels all this while...and their price range are always on the high side...only recently, we have such "gems" at "affordable" prices....

so in the end, it's best to depend on personal peference...... the malays have a saying....tepuk dada, tanya selera... biggrin.gif
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yeah, totally agree with this one....

I was thinking about the S2409W, but since I never look at it on spot, so I think I'll pass this, and go for 2333sw.

I've been using Samsung 17" (the old one, 17sn something, can't recall) for 3,4 years now, and although the quality is not as good as Dell UltraSharp (using it here at office), but I'm quite happy with it so far...

Also, S2409W is a full HD 16:9, might feels weird after using 16:10 all my life tongue.gif I still prefer working with 16:10...

So, I guess better take the safe way rather than gamble on S2409W.

But for gaming and movie purpose solely, I'll say the S2409W is the best bargain and price u can get anywhere now...IMHO blush.gif


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