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post Oct 28 2008, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Oct 28 2008, 09:27 PM)
the other way round...

valve seal if smoke
oil seal if leak
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oh ok thanks... then maybe both kena change edi
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post Oct 29 2008, 12:12 AM

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QUOTE(usus @ Oct 29 2008, 12:11 AM)
oh ok thanks... then maybe both kena change edi
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u got both leaking n heavy smoke? ?
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post Oct 30 2008, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(cheeann @ Oct 29 2008, 12:12 AM)
u got both leaking n heavy smoke? ?
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hahah... think I could find any trace of leaking (fuh!)
Sometimes my car got steady white smoke.
so consulted a friend who is also a mech in Putra Heights, he said might as well try change valve seal 1st, see if it solves the problemo...
I will pick up my car in 2 days time to see the results.

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post Nov 14 2008, 05:12 PM

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overheating, check the water pump got leak or not ... the last time i spent RM$700 for a mechanic to solve my overheating problem, he never check my water pump ... end up is the water pump leak and i have no water for cooling the engine
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post Nov 14 2008, 07:51 PM

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Go to a car wash centre, tell them to shoot water at the bottom until kilat bersih, no kilat nevermind, lulz!. Drive for 2 days, go to your mech shop, he will then know what is the actual problem. To see where the oil is leaking from. This is the first thing you must do.
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post Oct 14 2017, 11:19 AM

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QUOTE(SleeplessEyes @ Oct 26 2008, 06:04 PM)
Where you guys quote it RM 300-400? It's really cheap, cause my friend did top-overhaul on his Nissan, cost him RM 900  shocking.gif (workshop in Bdr Sunway)

I am just thinking of doing top overhaul for my Nissan Sunny too  sad.gif
No blue smoke, but valve tappet is making loud "tat tat tat" noises around 2000-2500RPM.Only can be heard outside.

Otherwise the car's engine still can do wonders in power.
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hi, how do you know its valve tappet sound? My car seems gt the similar situation, when I am driving beyond 80kmh, the soft tak tak sound can be heard....
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post Oct 14 2017, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Oct 14 2017, 11:19 AM)
hi, how do you know its valve tappet sound? My car seems gt the similar situation, when I am driving beyond 80kmh, the soft tak tak sound can be heard....
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What's the car odometer reading when this happens ?
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post Oct 14 2017, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 14 2017, 12:12 PM)
What's the car odometer reading when this happens ?
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i noticed this issue for awhile already , didnt bother it . But , now the oil lost is getting serious . My odo is 230k now
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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 14 2017, 12:12 PM)
What's the car odometer reading when this happens ?
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i noticed this issue for awhile already , didnt bother it . But , now the oil lost is getting serious . My odo is 230k now
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post Oct 14 2017, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Oct 14 2017, 11:19 AM)
hi, how do you know its valve tappet sound? My car seems gt the similar situation, when I am driving beyond 80kmh, the soft tak tak sound can be heard....
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just wana say, the tappeting sound is not a good indication of ANYTHING other than the valve clearances lari (and frankly it can lari very easily without causing any issues...) if u really wana diagnose oil loss issues... take note of whats coming out of your pipe in different conditions (e.g. valve seals, spew smoke during heavy deceleration where theres a vacuum pulling the oil in through the seals, constant smoke, possiby more during higher rpm's - rings)

even better would be to do a comp test or maybe even check ur plugs (visual check tells you alooot)
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post Oct 14 2017, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Oct 14 2017, 12:37 PM)
just wana say, the tappeting sound is not a good indication of ANYTHING other than the valve clearances lari (and frankly it can lari very easily without causing any issues...) if u really wana diagnose oil loss issues... take note of whats coming out of your pipe in different conditions (e.g. valve seals, spew smoke during heavy deceleration where theres a vacuum pulling the oil in through the seals, constant smoke, possiby more during higher rpm's - rings)

even better would be to do a comp test or maybe even check ur plugs (visual check tells you alooot)
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No colored smoke noticed, no oil stains on plug.. What's the problem that cause oil loss?
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post Oct 14 2017, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Oct 14 2017, 12:15 PM)
i noticed this issue for awhile already , didnt bother it . But , now the oil lost is getting serious . My odo is 230k now
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At 230K odo with a bit of tik tak sound, as suggested by lsm , it's likely valve clearance lari .........
in particular when no valve adjustment was ever done on this engine, ever.
One doesn't have to remove cylinder head to adjust valve clearance by competent mechanics and it involves only replacing gasket for valve cover .......... and I don't call this as 'top overhaul' which equates to more $$$.

As for coloured smoke , it is quite difficult to 'see' with untrained eyes and it may be wise to refer to an honest mechanics. Btw, what's the oil brand/viscosity grade/API ACEA specs that this engine has been using before and during oil consumption occurs ?

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post Oct 14 2017, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Oct 14 2017, 12:40 PM)
No colored smoke noticed, no oil stains on plug.. What's the problem that cause oil loss?
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how much are you loosing? only 2 other ways it can be lost (tho im quite sure its being burnt, maybe in quantities too small ot notice or only when ur moving at speed)
i)leaks, should be quite obvious
ii)ur screwed and its going into your coolant... you should find oil in ur coolant (honestly unlikely cause it should be everywhere at that point)
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post Oct 14 2017, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(lsm1991 @ Oct 14 2017, 01:08 PM)
how much are you loosing? only 2 other ways it can be lost (tho im quite sure its being burnt, maybe in quantities too small ot notice or only when ur moving at speed)
i)leaks, should be quite obvious
ii)ur screwed and its going into your coolant... you should find oil in ur coolant (honestly unlikely cause it should be everywhere at that point)
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About 40% according to the observation on dipstick...
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post Oct 14 2017, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 14 2017, 01:06 PM)
At 230K odo with a bit of tik tak sound, as suggested by lsm , it's likely valve clearance lari .........
in particular when no valve adjustment was ever done on this engine, ever.
One doesn't have to remove cylinder head to adjust valve clearance by competent mechanics and it involves only replacing gasket for valve cover .......... and I don't call this as 'top overhaul' which equates to more $$$.

As for coloured smoke , it is quite difficult to 'see' with untrained eyes and it may be wise to refer to an honest mechanics. Btw, what's the oil brand/viscosity grade/API ACEA specs that this engine has been using before and during oil consumption occurs ?
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I am not sure as I am not the direct owner of this car... I only used Castrol 15w40, 20w50 and nasa 20w50.. With nasa, I can feel the car response is better... Not much different between Castrol 20w50 and 15w40
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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 14 2017, 01:06 PM)
At 230K odo with a bit of tik tak sound, as suggested by lsm , it's likely valve clearance lari .........
in particular when no valve adjustment was ever done on this engine, ever.
One doesn't have to remove cylinder head to adjust valve clearance by competent mechanics and it involves only replacing gasket for valve cover .......... and I don't call this as 'top overhaul' which equates to more $$$.

As for coloured smoke , it is quite difficult to 'see' with untrained eyes and it may be wise to refer to an honest mechanics. Btw, what's the oil brand/viscosity grade/API ACEA specs that this engine has been using before and during oil consumption occurs ?
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I am not sure as I am not the direct owner of this car... I only used Castrol 15w40, 20w50 and nasa 20w50.. With nasa, I can feel the car response is better... Not much different between Castrol 20w50 and 15w40
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QUOTE(zeng @ Oct 14 2017, 01:06 PM)
At 230K odo with a bit of tik tak sound, as suggested by lsm , it's likely valve clearance lari .........
in particular when no valve adjustment was ever done on this engine, ever.
One doesn't have to remove cylinder head to adjust valve clearance by competent mechanics and it involves only replacing gasket for valve cover .......... and I don't call this as 'top overhaul' which equates to more $$$.

As for coloured smoke , it is quite difficult to 'see' with untrained eyes and it may be wise to refer to an honest mechanics. Btw, what's the oil brand/viscosity grade/API ACEA specs that this engine has been using before and during oil consumption occurs ?
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I am not sure as I am not the direct owner of this car... I only used Castrol 15w40, 20w50 and nasa 20w50.. With nasa, I can feel the car response is better... Not much different between Castrol 20w50 and 15w40
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post Oct 14 2017, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(delsoo @ Oct 14 2017, 01:22 PM)
About 40% according to the observation on dipstick...
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not sure what 40% means but sounds like alot.... should be blowing blue smoke.......

usually ppl measure in, Xml of engine oil that needs to be topped up after X km.


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post Oct 14 2017, 04:31 PM

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For a wira dipstick , that 40 % means 0.4 L.
But, over how many km ?
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post Oct 14 2017, 05:17 PM

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Mine consume around 250-300ml, top up once app. 4000+km then around 8000+km it will drop to the middle/slightly below mark on the dip stick and its time to change to new oil. Any concern that i should note or rectify. Tq

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