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 KNM (7164), KNM GROUP BHD

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post Oct 18 2008, 02:55 PM

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Although the fundamental of the company a bit shaky, but seems like injustice to have such free fall, maybe should buy some. Stock buy back, director increase holding all cannot match the foreign sell off... brows.gif
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post Nov 26 2008, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(Jaws @ Nov 26 2008, 03:32 PM)
Why KNM still under selling presure after quarterly profit announcement?
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Actually the fundamental no better mah, just profit appear to be up only. cash position no stronger, if not worse. And people sell on future prediction, not past performance. Just my 2 cents. But seems like a bit undervalued now hmm.gif
Btw, please note that bulks of current loan has been reclassify as non-current loan after convert to 3 year loan from MBB (RM700m+). Guess MBB first one to cry if this company went down tongue.gif

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post Dec 27 2008, 02:49 PM

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QUOTE(normanTE @ Dec 27 2008, 02:01 AM)
knm lowest is rm0.07 sen, i cant said will it be good buy now, it shoud consider cheap if compare to high time, but i suppose if economy data get toast next years it will break 0.39.

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Think your 0.07 is way too long ago loh, fundamental change from time to time and stick to the old pricing is not fair.
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post Jan 1 2009, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Vv.SoViEt.vV @ Jan 1 2009, 03:46 PM)
actually the price of crude oil is not directly related to og service industry. It only affect the og producer. Exclude the incident in Hamas, things are not going well to all og service because og producer is cutting off oil productions and explorations. Therefore, no business for og service unless they have service contract with the producer. Bad news to og service industry. What we need to focus on is the oil demand not oil price, as long as there are demand, og service industry will flourish and so will the producer. If the oil price goes high because og producer cut oil supply, it is bad to og service.

(O&G = OG)
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I think they also produce equipment for petrochemical plant and others...
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post Jan 7 2009, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(umikosan @ Jan 7 2009, 07:07 PM)
alot people said KNM are suspicious but i dun know why. i targeting to let go at 0.55 or 0.60 and there will be profit taking tomolo assume . i wish to let go all my stock by next week coz CNY and it may be the ending of bull run (Bear Rally)
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I wish you are right, aim high aim low aim too long but never shoot. sad.gif maybe too kiasi liao... tongue.gif
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post Jan 10 2009, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(chilaxis @ Jan 10 2009, 05:09 PM)
Did some research on how the Gaza war affects oil price.

Insightful points from an interview with a seasoned oil trader on CNNMoney's video. Key is whether the war spreads beyond the Israeli border.

Check it out here:-

http://video.aol.com/partner/cnnmoney/gaza...iltrader:122908
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Actually the place have no oil, nearby place also don't have, and don't think arabs are going to stop the pump if full scale war break out (now full scale?). Personally think minimal impact but oil price still hike tongue.gif
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post Jan 17 2009, 03:45 AM

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QUOTE(mtsen @ Jan 17 2009, 12:44 AM)
good u asked,  I read some of the annual reports from KNM and it seems like a strong fundamental stock to buy ...  consistent high return on equity, ok EPS and PE growth ...
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But balance sheet a bit shaky tongue.gif
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post Jan 17 2009, 11:21 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jan 17 2009, 12:27 PM)
Mind to share more about thier Balance sheet .

Glad to learn somethings from you.
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I cannot recall very well, but the goodwill component troubling me, because that's intangible which might be greatly impaired during bad time. Just my 2 cent tongue.gif
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post Jan 18 2009, 12:18 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jan 18 2009, 12:16 AM)
Yes, you are right. RM 1.6 billions for goodwill to take over a small co is a lot.

That could lead to potential investors to mis trust the managements.

No doubt about it. biggrin.gif
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That's from accounting point of view, but I still think they have future in their business, keep looking at this company...
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post Feb 13 2009, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(ipohfly @ Feb 12 2009, 02:23 PM)
Rumours has it that the financial report will bear 'surprising' bad news.... insider news kot.... not sure how true is that...

And yes i'm one of those that is stuck with this counter  sweat.gif
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To write down the goodwill?
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post Feb 14 2009, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Feb 14 2009, 08:29 PM)
I see. Do you think that will result in higher stock price next Mon?  smile.gif
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It won't, already a few days ago I think.
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post Mar 2 2009, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Mar 2 2009, 10:53 PM)
Ya. A big loss. I rather keep it.
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Sometime I admire those who can cut loss, I seldom have courage to do that blush.gif
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post Mar 12 2009, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(Futura @ Mar 12 2009, 08:39 AM)
Just wondering, when the selling Qty > buy Qty, what will likely to happen to a stock?  hmm.gif
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Go to lower price step loh.
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post Mar 12 2009, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(rambolee @ Mar 12 2009, 01:39 PM)
Type of transaction

Date of change

No of securities

Price Transacted (RM)
Acquired

04/03/2009

1,000,000

Disposed

04/03/2009

7,159,250

Acquired

05/03/2009

1,000,000
y was EPF acquired and disposed at the same time?
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Maybe because some of their share hold by their agent (investment co).
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post Mar 12 2009, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(Singh_Kalan @ Mar 12 2009, 06:07 PM)
laugh.gif u can laugh now.  Next six month, check back this page ok.  tongue.gif
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Actually Singh_Kalan might spoke what others dare not, I think high chance for his words to turn true, my reason:
1. Declare big dividend is not justify at this turmoil time, the purpose is to please the so they don't sell.
2. Stock buy back shouldn't be done, this create artificial support for the price but how long it can last? And that add cost too.
3. The cash position is not very good, with big debt coming forward, they will be doom if they cannot get cash to pay the incoming debt.
Just my 2 cents.
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post Mar 13 2009, 12:19 AM

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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Mar 13 2009, 12:06 AM)
So, did you hold any KNM share now ?
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Hold back after their financial statement come out. Now no.
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post Mar 13 2009, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(kb2005 @ Mar 13 2009, 06:59 AM)
Then, you get the div ?
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No. But I will still monitor this stock tongue.gif
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Type : Announcement
Subject : Clarification to the articles dated 17 March 2009 appearing in :-
a. The Edge Financial Daily and entitled “KNM’s Lee will consider leading buyout if banks can raise funds”
b. The Star and entitled “MBO of KNM hinges on funds”
c. The News Straits Times and entitled “KNM’s Lee may lead buyout if banks can provide funding”
(collectively referred to as “the Articles”)

Contents :
In respect of the Articles, which were written based on Bloomberg’s report/article appearing on 16 March 2009 and entitled “KNM’s Lee Will Consider Leading Buyout If Banks Can Raise Funds”, the Company wishes to clarify as follows:-

When asked by Mr Angus Whitley of Bloomberg as to whether Mr Lee Swee Eng believes that the shares of KNM are undervalued and whether, as a result, Mr Lee would consider a Management Buy Out of the Company, Mr Lee responded in the affirmative but clearly went on to add that funding for such an exercise would be challenging in this environment and that there is currently no offer from any party to provide funding for such a transaction.

This announcement is dated 17 March 2009.
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QUOTE(kcchan270871 @ Apr 1 2009, 09:46 AM)
Pros:
1) New technology is indeed required to keep overall margin and to expand reach.
2) Contracts difficult to fulfil can be sub-contracted out to avoid contractual obligations at minimal or no penalty, or even at a profit
3) Contracts are trickling in since Jan 09 but the pace has slowed by 70%.
4) The slowing of contract is understandable as customers wanted and KNM has done rebidding at lower price, consistent with crisis. Committing too much work at lower price may not be wise as KNM's job can last till Q1 of 2010. Not in desperate mode yet.
5) I estiimate that though overall margin will fall to 8% in 09, from 15%, it is still profitable.
6) Apparently AR from Borsig may be doubtful, and I think some may prove uncollectible like those in other companies' accounts. The quantum though should not be serious and can be made up by future profits and continual negotiation with suppliers.
7) The loan from Maybank is due in 3 years time. If oil industry recovers in 09, KNm may just need some small short term loan to roll over and pay off the loan in 2011. The shortfall should be less than 300m. When things recover, most likely knm will issue convertible bond.
8) Privatisation does KNM no good if the boss's pocket is not deep. The boss' pocket is not deep and therefore could not support the share price. But that does not mean the company's future is all gloomy.
9) The share price has been punished. At 33 sen, it has included the prospect or likelihood of captial restructuring or bankruptcy. It is a bet of either that happens or not. You either lose 33 sen or if things normalise, you will 67sen. The fair value if contracts continue to flow in and oil price stays around RM60 is RM1 a share. When sand oil project is revived, it can go higher to 1.50
10) Lastly, there is no lay-off in the company. People are still working late. Mangement is cost management is good.
11) oil industry like commodity is pro-cyclical. The down swing is not surpursing and neither should any upswing i near future.
12) Don't trade on slim margin. Be patient to buy and sell only at 10% or more gain. Whether contracts will flow in will show if borsig technology can work. Time will tell but buying now is better than buying at 55sen later.
13) if you win money, take me out for tea or sth.
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Your analysis make sense. Thanks.

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