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Stock market V16, Greed when people fear!
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AdamG1981
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 Oct 21 2008, 10:28 AM
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Oct 20 2008, 07:26 PM) What I mean detach is even US rally 500 or 1000 points, KLSE won't react much on it, even some other regional bourses. Primary reason is a lot of foreign investors had shy away from overseas market especially emerging market one. The market will take negative news but won't react much positive news, as said we have local problem to sort out for near term before any meaningfull bounce can take place. We are entering a consolidation phase which may take quite long as market wait for how economy react to current crisis and assessing impact of it. Oh, that i agree with you.  |
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asambuffett
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Oct 21 2008, 12:02 PM
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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Oct 21 2008, 08:43 AM) KPS KHSB SCOMI JAKS TEBRAU EQUINE DBHD PERWAJA DRBHCOM Those being the popular + cheap GLC counters KPS and KHSB is selangor state link companies... under KDEB. |
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zamans98
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Oct 21 2008, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE(asambuffett @ Oct 21 2008, 12:02 PM) KPS and KHSB is selangor state link companies... under KDEB. Does it makes any difference? This is Bolehland, enemy can become frens when come to money. |
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cherroy
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Oct 21 2008, 12:50 PM
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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Oct 21 2008, 08:43 AM) KPS KHSB SCOMI JAKS TEBRAU EQUINE DBHD PERWAJA DRBHCOM Those being the popular + cheap GLC counters Popular is quite correct. But personally, I would reserve the "cheap" comment. Even for penny stock, or some at 0.1x. Some are not 'cheap' at all. |
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Irzani
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Oct 21 2008, 01:50 PM
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DBHD and Tebrau is a GLC counter?
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cherroy
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Oct 21 2008, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE(Irzani @ Oct 21 2008, 01:50 PM) DBHD and Tebrau is a GLC counter? To be more specific, it is PLC (political linked company), not GLC.   |
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keelim
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Oct 21 2008, 02:14 PM
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Today is a roller coaster with low volatility for KLCI. FKLI has a bigger standard deviation. Volume is low.
Can someone clarify why futures in any countries are more volatile than the main index? Is it because of uncertainty always create volatility?
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cherroy
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Oct 21 2008, 02:35 PM
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QUOTE(keelim @ Oct 21 2008, 02:14 PM) Today is a roller coaster with low volatility for KLCI. FKLI has a bigger standard deviation. Volume is low. Can someone clarify why futures in any countries are more volatile than the main index? Is it because of uncertainty always create volatility? Yes, there are a lot of uncertainty in the market that's why you see big swing, as people has no direction which way market is going, and sentiment and mood change (which can happens quite drastically) can be a big factor in short term wise. |
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AdamG1981
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Oct 21 2008, 02:59 PM
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The lack of liquidity is causing a huge difference in bid/ask spread. That's why you are noticing huge price swings in either direction; especially in DJIA mini futures or DOW futures.
Added on October 21, 2008, 3:04 pmDow futures under significant pressure. Caterpillar earnings before bell.
This post has been edited by AdamG1981: Oct 21 2008, 03:04 PM
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morpheuzneo
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Oct 21 2008, 03:07 PM
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QUOTE(zamans98 @ Oct 21 2008, 08:43 AM) KPS KHSB SCOMI JAKS TEBRAU EQUINE DBHD PERWAJA DRBHCOM Those being the popular + cheap GLC counters sure ke .. all the counter above is glc? except scomi.. perwaja and drbhcom.., all other counters are my fav counters and hv been making some money for me in the past.. (also losses.. ) are they still good fundamentally? may i add - IRIS to the list? |
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AdamG1981
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Oct 21 2008, 03:12 PM
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As expected, Dow futures going down. Sell now before CI turns red.
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morpheuzneo
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Oct 21 2008, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Oct 21 2008, 03:12 PM) As expected, Dow futures going down. Sell now before CI turns red. hallamak.., lucky i saw this.., immediately cancel order..! .. as it turns out.., the price a dropping fast to my ordered price..! so.., better cancel now.. and wait at lower price..! (talk about KEURO) |
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keelim
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Oct 21 2008, 03:16 PM
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I went to Investor Expo 2008 and was told by the guy at Bursa Malaysia on recommending a position in Futures market at the current economic outlook. If futures and main index (stocks) are comparable in volatility, what makes an approach to invest in futures a wiser decision? Is it because we are able to short in FKLI? On the other hand, there is no other way to earn in a bear market (In MALAYSIA only - besides RSS).
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hanif444
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Oct 21 2008, 03:18 PM
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we see IOI come back to open price...Red very possible..
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hsiengloong
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Oct 21 2008, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE(keelim @ Oct 21 2008, 04:16 PM) I went to Investor Expo 2008 and was told by the guy at Bursa Malaysia on recommending a position in Futures market at the current economic outlook. If futures and main index (stocks) are comparable in volatility, what makes an approach to invest in futures a wiser decision? Is it because we are able to short in FKLI? On the other hand, there is no other way to earn in a bear market (In MALAYSIA only - besides RSS). Somehow i kinda agree with you that in the bear market, either we hold on to the stocks for a couple of years or the futures.. I'm becoming seemingly interested in the futures thats y i hardly lepak aroun the stock market nowadays heheh
Added on October 21, 2008, 3:20 pmQUOTE(hsiengloong @ Oct 21 2008, 04:20 PM) Somehow i kinda agree with you that in the bear market, either we hold on to the stocks for a couple of years or the futures.. I'm becoming seemingly interested in the futures thats y i hardly lepak aroun the stock market nowadays heheh Oh ya on shorting, ask our 'shorting specialist' AdamG haahhah.... This post has been edited by hsiengloong: Oct 21 2008, 03:20 PM |
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AdamG1981
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Oct 21 2008, 03:27 PM
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QUOTE(keelim @ Oct 21 2008, 12:16 AM) I went to Investor Expo 2008 and was told by the guy at Bursa Malaysia on recommending a position in Futures market at the current economic outlook. If futures and main index (stocks) are comparable in volatility, what makes an approach to invest in futures a wiser decision? Is it because we are able to short in FKLI? On the other hand, there is no other way to earn in a bear market (In MALAYSIA only - besides RSS). Yes, you have an option to hedge against your equity portoflio or you can short the market for speculative purposes. Although risky, futures are very rewarding if you have strong analytical skills which is needed in forecasting DOW futures/ Nikkei futures/ FKLI direction.
Added on October 21, 2008, 3:27 pmDow Futures -123. This post has been edited by AdamG1981: Oct 21 2008, 03:27 PM |
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dreams_achiever
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Oct 21 2008, 03:58 PM
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QUOTE(keelim @ Oct 21 2008, 03:16 PM) I went to Investor Expo 2008 and was told by the guy at Bursa Malaysia on recommending a position in Futures market at the current economic outlook. If futures and main index (stocks) are comparable in volatility, what makes an approach to invest in futures a wiser decision? Is it because we are able to short in FKLI? On the other hand, there is no other way to earn in a bear market (In MALAYSIA only - besides RSS). This year investor expo is much smaller than last year. Few seminars organised this year. Not much can attend. Seem people getting less interest in stock market now due to economy recession. No more money to invest in...  |
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aretla
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Oct 21 2008, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(morpheuzneo @ Oct 21 2008, 03:16 PM) hallamak.., lucky i saw this.., immediately cancel order..! .. as it turns out.., the price a dropping fast to my ordered price..! so.., better cancel now.. and wait at lower price..! (talk about KEURO) drop to ur price u cancel.. then drop to ur price u cancel again... haha... no need buy liao then |
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cherroy
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Oct 21 2008, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE(dreams_achiever @ Oct 21 2008, 03:58 PM) Seem people getting less interest in stock market now due to economy recession. No more money to invest in... I added another point because people are losing money, then no interest to invest.
Added on October 21, 2008, 4:05 pmQUOTE(aretla @ Oct 21 2008, 04:03 PM) drop to ur price u cancel.. then drop to ur price u cancel again... haha... no need buy liao then Better don't Q at all. Remiser will be fed up, what for, again and again. This post has been edited by cherroy: Oct 21 2008, 04:05 PM |
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AdamG1981
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Oct 21 2008, 04:23 PM
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LOL!!!
My calculation so far for our KLCI
EPS x PE: 91 x 10 = 910
Unless,
EPS: < 90
Fair value for KLCI: 800???
This post has been edited by AdamG1981: Oct 21 2008, 04:24 PM
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