The gliders diet has been debated in many foreign forums and I thought I would like to get everyone's input here on LYN. I personally feel that a glider's diet is rather complicated and there are many things that we can still learn from each other.

The reason I have opened a new thread for this is because sometimes when forumers ask about a glider's diet in the main thread, it gets lost in all the spamming. There is a thread on dogs' diet, so I thought we could have one on gliders.

Also, it would make it easier for newbies to learn about the gliders' diet.

This thread is meant purely for healthy serious discussions and feedback. Please do not flame anyone or spam this thread.

For a start, I'd like to share what I have read up on the many recommended diets in the market. Personally, I have only tried two of them but if you have tried others, please do share here.

HPW Diet

BML Diet

BML - Judie's Version

Darcy's Diet

PML Diet

There is also the SunCoast diet but I decided to omit that as the ingredients used is non-halal.

Currently, all these diets are not independent, meaning you would still need to feed fruits, veges and insects.

I have tried the BML and all three of my gliders have been on trial with the HPW Diet for over a month now as I have read great reviews about it. The odour has certainly lessened! But at the end of the day, we each have our preferred diets.

There are so many glider owners here and it would be great if we could all share the pros and cons of each diet. Also, does everyone here feed according to the correct Ca:P ratio? If so, it would be nice if you could share the combination of fruits to make the right ratio, taking into account oxalates, of course Or do you feed according to what your gliders like?

Thanks to empty_reg:
Some Common Diet and the No-No's

A few websites that show the Ca:P ratios:
http://www.swanimalhospital.net/html/veggie_info.html
http://www.repticzone.com/articles/Ca-P_ratios.html
http://www.beautifuldragons.503xtreme.com/Nutrition.html

This post has been edited by jtl: Feb 12 2009, 12:05 PM

good to have this thread. so we have a more serious talk and discussions on diet. as diet do play a very important role for the animals. cos what we feed, is that they eat. their health in on our hand.

i used to feed BML too. now my 2 babies are on HPW. and i can see the grow of kiro is significant.

as i don't hv male suggie. i not sure about the orodr things.

The Ca : P ratio is very important to suggie. If there is not enough Calcium they will draw calcium from their bones and that will cause them paralysis.

also i found our local suggie owner feed ALOT of mealworms.. we really need to understand their diet, phosphrous can be over dose anytime.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Sep 24 2008, 10:19 PM

Woah, good thread for me to learn!

Although I am irrelevant to this thread, just wonder if Wombaroo Powder can be obtained in Msia? Or mostly need to import? I believe that HPW mix is almost similar to BML and there is quite a number versions for BML too...

Some may ask : What are Oxalates?

Oxalates bind with iron and calcium in foods so the body is not able to utilise all of the calcium and iron in that food. You should however note that Oxalate does not stop the synthesis of iron or calcium in the other foods in a diet, but only the food containing Oxalate. It is not recommended to feed foods high in oxalate every day and is wise to rotate the fruits and vegetables enough to account for this.

For example, let's say you feed Parsley every day because it is high in calcium. You need to consider that a lot of the calcium is not being absorbed because of the Oxalates. So it is best not to feed Parsley everyday.

Amongst the vegetables and fruits that are high in Oxalates are:

Beans (baked, green, dried, kidney)
Blackberries
Beets
Blueberries
Celery
Carrots
Figs
Collards
Kiwi
Eggplant
Lemon peel
Kale
Lime peel
Okra
Orange peel
Parsley
Raspberries
Rhubarb
Spinach
Strawberries
Tangerines
Sweet potato
Zucchini

I will need to do more research on local fruits and vegetables though. If anyone else here has any information on local fruits, it would be great.

This post has been edited by jtl: Sep 24 2008, 11:23 PM

HPW contain wombaroo high protein powder, while BML not. and its big difference between the both.

wombaroo need to be import... wombaroo included the calcium needed, so suggie who is on this diet, they do not need extra calcium supplement.

while BML added calcium are needed and its a MUST.

Oxalates:

so it means even parsely contain high calcium, but it bind 'its own' calcium or others intake with Oxalates, then it will = to no calcium. right? cos the animal canot absorb.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Sep 24 2008, 10:46 PM

Good thread for glider owners and gliders...

wombaroo milk replacer can be found @ petshack. Its imported.

HPW do not contain wombaroo replacement milk its a difference thing. its call wombaroo high protein powder.

Please do read the links provided.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Sep 24 2008, 10:48 PM

Yes, that is right. But I am not a qualified nutritionist so I am just sharing what I have learnt.

But we need to remember that apart from Calcium, the glider needs other vitamins and minerals as well. One cup of parsley contains:
Vitamin A 5055 IU, Vitamin C, 79.8 mg, Niacin 0.8 mg, Vitamin E (Alpha Tocopherol) 0.4 mg, Gamma Tocopherol 0.3 mg,
Pantothenic Acid 0.2 mg, Thiamin 0.1 mg, Riboflavin 0.1 mg, Vitamin B6 0.1 mg, Lutein+Zeaxanthin 3337 mcg, Beta Carotene 3032 mcg, Vitamin K 984 mcg, Retinol Activity Equivalent 253 mcg, Folate 91.2 mcg, Food Folate 91.2 mcg, Dietary Folate Equivalents 91.2 mcg.

Whilst I readily admit that I do not know the benefits of each and every vitamin stated, I do know some of them like Vitamin A and C are essential.

That's the main purpose of this thread. So that all of us can contribute what we each know.

hmmmmm it looks like i need to do my homework tomorrow.. i will get my office nutritionist to answer all my question.. lol..

ok these are what i know.. i not pro also ya.. just sharing what i know:

B6: improve the absorption of protein and fat. prevents nerve and skin related diseases.

Thiamine/ B1: to produce energy and support nervous system.

Riboflavin/B2: also for energy and support the growth of healthy skin, fur and nail.

B3/ Niacin: help promote a feeling of calm, and also produce energy.

nezu.. then which 1 u ask me to buy a?

wow.. wat a thread... good...
read all bout the diet alrdy...
HPW..?? wat is that..???

I think deriving the glider mix is pretty simple. I think you can even use Wombaroo with BML. There is no fixed diet and all these diets that was listed by JTL also created by glider enthusiast in other countries. As long we take as a guideline I believe our gliders can have the best diet.

Sometimes I see different variations of BML also.

Maybe I starting to talk rubbish. Better hop back to where I belong first....



This post has been edited by sangterap: Sep 25 2008, 09:58 AM

I have given the link for HPW It's a different diet, just like BML. Some people believe in BML, some believe in other diets. So, would like to know all the diets that people here have tried and compare the outcome.

Yup, you are right that deriving the mix is simple but to get an actual ratio is not so simple. If you use Wombaroo High Protein powder with BML, it tends to unbalance the ratio as the protein levels in WHP is way higher than baby cereal. I have noticed that glider enthusiast in other countries have actually worked out the ratios and I find that a good thing.

Yes, there are different variations but we need to be constantly aware of the ratios. That's why I asked what everyone else here is feeding.

This post has been edited by jtl: Sep 25 2008, 10:16 AM

wah so clever wor .
this really help thx nezu

Whoa good information !!~~

Nezu:

Those are very very good information !!~~ ^^

joey use replacement milk. anyway WHP not available in market here yet.

don't say like that.. we are here to learn as long as there is question, there will hv something to learn. of cos i hope we do not hv noob questions like if my suggie can eat KFC etc..

wombaroo is very high in protein n it contain required calcium for suggie, HPW mainly is about wombaroo + bee pollen, which bee pollen contain a very wide range of animo acid. which is very good for growth. as for BML. it also contain baby high protein powder and calcium supplement. if we add WHP into BML, protein n mineral will be over dose. that will cos health problem.

but we do can double up the dosage of WHP or double up the BML protein n calcium for a nursing mum, while they need alot protein n calcium to process good milk.

also it is important that when we making BML with the right cup. as all the recipe in net is by CUP. don't use the cup we drink ya..

by the way.. mealworm ca: p is about 0.06: 1.

This post has been edited by nezumitaro: Sep 25 2008, 08:08 PM

thanks jtl n nezu... knw alrdy bout the diet...
=)
juz receive a new joey...
like my other 2 suggies.. i juz offer fruits, wormy...and some smoothieessss....
izit enough..??
do i need any other supplement..??

yes , its enoguh for the time being. of cos if affortable.. those necter and gum thingy is good for them as supplement

also try to reserch some fruits. not to feed all high phosphrous fruits same time..