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post Sep 20 2008, 05:57 PM, updated 18y ago

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Hi, i know we can purchase good by using credit card and pay using easy payment plan.. but cc debt to epp ? anyone heard b4??? is it legal?? how it works??? are these "agent" legal??

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...&#entry20051483
http://my.<no spam links>.com/my/Services/Post_Detail...s/?PostID=98638
http://hot24jam.com/index.php?option=com_c...id=32&Itemid=68
http://creditcardrestructuring.blogspot.com/
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post Sep 20 2008, 10:20 PM

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No....it's exploiting the loop hole of banks by declaring their business wrongly to obtain the merchant terminal.
For instance, they will declare the service they provide as water dispensary company (example).
So to the bank, they thought they are dealing with a legitimate company selling water dispensary, but in actual fact the company is not doing that business.
So you figure out whether or not that is legal.
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post Sep 20 2008, 11:57 PM

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i saw plenty of such advertisement around but never bother to study it yet lol ..

maybe bcos i dont have any cc debt for now tongue.gif


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post Sep 21 2008, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Sep 20 2008, 10:20 PM)
No....it's exploiting the loop hole of banks by declaring their business wrongly to obtain the merchant terminal.
For instance, they will declare the service they provide as water dispensary company (example).
So to the bank, they thought they are dealing with a legitimate company selling water dispensary, but in actual fact the company is not doing that business.
So you figure out whether or not that is legal.
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bingo!!!......this bro are right!!! but i look this matter various way

first....as credit card holder point of view, this company is really helping us to restructure our debts (if you have debt lahhhh) or i put this it this way, they convert or debt to EPP Plan.....thus it will ease our burden and stop receiving those annoying bank call.....further, the CC holder is only dealing with the bank at the end of the day...nothing to do with the company that you dealing with.

second.....company point of view, YES.....CC holder may find funny when you do the purchase transaction but no item was given to you.....but are you really need those item????? ...think again!!! maybe you feel better if you think this way.....once you transact the EPP, company really give u the item, than you sell back to the company and get your CASH.....would it better???....it just a matter of the way u look at it

infact we got nothing to lose.....think again when you really sick answering those bank call and you may ended up being sue by the Bank, eventually this EPP will actually help you to ensure you min payment with 0% every month and no more any late payment or penalty charges!!

be frank, i believe some bro out there could be a banker or even top bank officer.....what make you think that they do not know all above this.....the reality is.....the bank even more appreciate if the CC holder manage to convert their DEBTS into EPP whereby the collection dept does not need to find their way to chase payment from you and could inccur more fees if they take action to sue you.....m i right?????

i writing this is not to promote my thread but i sincerely know this really help those who need help.....and those without DEBTS....KIV this as once of your EXTRA CASH channel whereby its better for you to get this EPP rather than Personal Loan or Ah Long instead.

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post Sep 22 2008, 12:29 PM

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any comment??
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post Sep 22 2008, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(cms.malaysia @ Sep 22 2008, 12:29 PM)
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January 25, 2007 21:05 PM   

8.8 Million Credit Card Holders In M'sia

KUALA TERENGGANU, Jan 25 (Bernama) -- There are about 8.8 million credit card holders in Malaysia and most are living beyond their means, charging a total of RM19.3 billion of their spending to various financial institutions.

Credit Counselling and Management Agency chairman Datuk L. Meyyappan who revealed this, however, said the amount was considered small as it made up only 6.2 per cent of total debts to financial institutions with the most being housing loans at RM312.2 billion.

"On the average, Malaysians have three credit cards each. But overall, they are disciplined pay masters compared to those in other countries.

"In fact, unpaid debts involving credit cards amount to only 3.4 per cent or RM670 million of the total outstanding," he told reporters after officiating the agency's office here at Bank Negara Malaysia's Terengganu branch, Thursday.

Also present was the agency's chief executive officer Mohamed Akwal Sultan.

Meyyappan said that about 60 per cent of credit card holders in Malaysia paid the full amount of their debts every month, while the remaining only settled the minimum amount.

He also said that since its inception last April, the agency had helped 1,500 debtors from the 11,000 people who opted for its free services to help them in their financial problems.

According to the agency's statistics, 51 per cent of those who sought the agency's help did so because of credit card payment problems.

"Many of them borrow as a result of a lavish lifestyle. Our credit management programme has helped them to merge their debts and restructure their loan payments.

"This programme helps to ease their financial burdens, giving them the capability to make payments while living a normal life," he said.

Meyyappan said that the main objective in the setting up of the agency by Bank Negara nationwide was to ensure that all households managed their finances prudently apart from providing consultancy services in credit and financial management.

Apart from Kuala Terengganu, the agency has four other branches in Kuala Lumpur, Penang, Kota Kinabalu and Kuching.

Except for Kuala Lumpur where its branch office is located at the Maju Junction Mall in Jalan Sultan Ismail, the others are located within Bank Negara's barches.

-- BERNAMA


http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/797942

http://www.bernama.com/bernama/v3/news.php?id=243395&vo=122

so is this news "BETUL" if yes then this EEP is valid?

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post Sep 22 2008, 09:47 PM

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QUOTE(IceBikers @ Sep 22 2008, 09:02 PM)
No....the news and the agency here is different.
Like I explained, the business entity for carrying out those so called EPP conversion is not legitimate. It exploits the loophole of banks.
Whereas in this news article, it's basically referring to AKPK http://www.akpk.org.my/ which helps only those certified really in debt trouble.
But there's sacrifices whereby this government agency would help convert all your loans outstanding into term loan with minimal interest. But within those periods, one cannot get another loan until one pays off all his debt.

Whereas the rampant modus operandi which you provided in your first post is not related to any legitimate financial institution. It is like what I explained. A falsely declared company to get the merchant terminals and help you swipe your card and convert it into EPP.
Say you owe the bank RM5k. You'll need another card or the existing card must have another RM5k limit not used.
This company would swipe the RM5k and convert it into EPP and they would hand over to you the RM5k (usually they would charge you some fees, so you might not be getting the full RM5k).
Than, you're suppose to use this RM5k cash to go pay your debt the RM5k that you owed.
Now you're left with another RM5k debt which instead of the credit card statment billing you RM5k in total every month, you'll pay the installment amount converted. Get the drift!?

But like I explained, the company doing so is not legitimate as they have falsely declared their services to the banks and also to SSM.
Banks when find out usually wouldn't do much towards the said company. They would just terminate the merchant terminal services the rented out. But some would go to the extreme to go file a case against the said company for fraud and hand over to SSM to do the investigating instead of getting their own hands dirty.

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post Sep 22 2008, 10:22 PM

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wow i didnt know such trick exist! so wats the best way to pay off cc debt? thru personal loan?
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post Sep 22 2008, 10:42 PM

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The best way is still use what you can afford.
End of story!
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post Oct 2 2008, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(agrace @ Sep 22 2008, 10:22 PM)
wow i didnt know such trick exist! so wats the best way to pay off cc debt? thru personal loan?
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bro...this is not trick as bro boon explained.....eventually the client has been told all about this....its a give and take situation.

regard taking P/Loan to settle you CC debt?.....i doubt its a good idea but what make you thing the Bank will approve the application when they can see from CCRIS screen that you still owe a lot of credit card debt??.....make sense right??

think again.....if this is really a trick, who got the benefit most????.............think please think!
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QUOTE(b00n @ Sep 22 2008, 10:42 PM)
The best way is still use what you can afford.
End of story!
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bro boon.....no offence....infact you talking 'fei wah' when you quoted 'use what you can afford'......everyone know 1 + 1 = 2..........so for those who in deep shit, which bank calling almost everyday and blacklist letter just around the corner?????........yes, u are right AKPK will help but think again once u seek for their help.....your name is blacklisted and you still need to pay at the end of the day, so what is the different if you keep paying to the bank under EPP method but you are clean under Bank Negara record......which one you choose..........infact what you written I got no doubt but eventhough the Merchant is taking advantage on the EPP thingy and that is their capability to manipulate......as a consumer, we got nothing to lose as long as thing it can really help......think again!!!!!

from my posting earlier, what make you think the bank not knowing all above this EPP lope hole?????.......they know and they know better than you and me!!

just my two cents


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QUOTE(cms.malaysia @ Oct 2 2008, 06:26 PM)

think again.....if this is really a trick, who got the benefit most????.............think please think![/size]!
i think the person who benefits the most is YOU.....
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post Oct 3 2008, 12:08 PM

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You should be lucky that your company's merchant is not being closed down yet.
FYI, the banks had taken action against many of this company.
Also, pls listed down what merchant terminal your company has. I'll bet you only have local bank's merchant terminal.
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I think now all the youngster are being pampered by their parent. Thats y their thinking is very very immature....
Last time our parent their mindset are on how to control their spending and reducing their debts, but the new generation thinking is on finding ways to spend more which is out of their capabilities......DON REALLY KNOW what they are thinking off.... They never think of their future at all.... doh.gif Quite worry about our country future...

Aduh really cannot tahan ler... if we got debts sure find ways to clear it mar... where got loan again ... "loan pay loan" ya....It will end up more and more debts..... just like what us is facing now.....I cun understand how ppl can become so stupid somtimes...... doh.gif

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post Oct 4 2008, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(john123x @ Oct 2 2008, 06:56 PM)
i think the person who benefits the most is YOU.....
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you are wrong.......this is kind of win win situation!!!

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post Oct 4 2008, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(b00n @ Oct 3 2008, 12:08 PM)
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You should be lucky that your company's merchant is not being closed down yet.
FYI, the banks had taken action against many of this company.
Also, pls listed down what merchant terminal your company has. I'll bet you only have local bank's merchant terminal.
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you are wrong again........for your information, we have almost 13 banks all over local and international......HSBC, OUB, SCB are those International Bank's which under our panel too.....kindly take note
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QUOTE(cms.malaysia @ Oct 4 2008, 01:45 PM)
you are wrong again........for your information, we have almost 13 banks all over local and international......HSBC, OUB, SCB are those International Bank's which under our panel too.....kindly take note
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IMO, there are banks out there that offer Balance Transfer with low interest rate also instead of using the services as provided. Moreover, bank like RHB is offering interest rate base on reducing balance basis instead of fixed rate. It is always better to check out all banks rates before resorting to other services. Worse of all, just seek AKPK help as they have the authority to restructure your debts. Most of all as mention, spend within your means is still the best solution problems.
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The banks have everything to lose. They certainly lose more profit! What is that % of interest that the agent pays to the bank to have the EPP facility vs the 18% p.a. the bank will continue to enjoy had it not been converted.


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QUOTE(qkchuah @ Oct 4 2008, 02:00 PM)
IMO, there are banks out there that offer Balance Transfer with low interest rate also instead of using the services as provided. Moreover, bank like RHB is offering interest rate base on reducing balance basis instead of fixed rate. It is always better to check out all banks rates before resorting to other services. Worse of all, just seek AKPK help as they have the authority to restructure your debts. Most of all as mention, spend within your means is still the best solution problems.
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ok.....let me do some analysis here......infact there are alot of offer surrounding us.....as what bro qk quoted earlier, BT aka Balance Transfer which offer by major Bank's in Malaysia......these are those alternative offer that Bank's can make more buck from us.

let me list few offer that you may think it really can help you!!!

1st = Balance Transfer = Interest Rate @ 6.99% or 7.99% per annum ((((you need an available limit to perform BT))))
2nd = Personal Loan = Interest Rate @ min of 1% per month or 8.99% per annum ((((subject to approval, CCRIS fella dont think about it))))
3rd = Cash on Call = Interest Rate more or less same as P Loan ((((you need an available limit to perform COC))))
4rd = Borrow from Ah Long = Interest Rate @ 10% per month ((((provided you have enough gud))))
5th = Borrow from family = good idea, probably @ 0%.....((((unless they willing to help))))
6th = Restructured with EPP = Restructuring Fees @ min 1% per month for short tenure or min 5.4% per annum - subject to tenure ((((100% approval provided your card is still ACTIVE, those CANCELLED by Bank's.....i m sorry, it was too late))))

by looking at the interest charges, yet EPP is still the BEST and very min requirement needed.....right???

i may share more in future and for those who need more info, please do not hesitate to call or email me directly.

cheers

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boon,
u r very straight forward guy.... i understand what u trying to say which is illegal and not the right way

cms malaysia
i'm not supporting u but it's a good "program"...

actually bank knows it is illegal to have this machine and swipe for cash, banks are clamping down cos my gf is an account manager for merchant dept in a bank... better be careful bro...but she say paling teruk also terminate lah...bank won't sue the merchant...heheheh


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post Oct 6 2008, 09:22 AM

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No, banks wouldn't waste the effort of sue-ing the merchant as it would eventually involve the mass consumers as witnesses and also wasting money as these business can open and close any other day.
The most they would do is to hand the company complain over to SSM and let them do the rest as it's falsely declaring their business under SSM.
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QUOTE(cms.malaysia @ Oct 6 2008, 01:52 AM)
ok.....let me do some analysis here......infact there are alot of offer surrounding us.....as what bro qk quoted earlier, BT aka Balance Transfer which offer by major Bank's in Malaysia......these are those alternative offer that Bank's can make more buck from us.

let me list few offer that you may think it really can help you!!!

1st = Balance Transfer = Interest Rate @ 6.99% or 7.99% per annum ((((you need an available limit to perform BT))))
2nd = Personal Loan = Interest Rate @ min of 1% per month or 8.99% per annum ((((subject to approval, CCRIS fella dont think about it))))
3rd = Cash on Call = Interest Rate more or less same as P Loan ((((you need an available limit to perform COC))))
4rd = Borrow from Ah Long = Interest Rate @ 10% per month ((((provided you have enough gud))))
5th = Borrow from family = good idea, probably @ 0%.....((((unless they willing to help))))
6th = Restructured with EPP = Restructuring Fees @ min 1% per month for short tenure or min 5.4% per annum - subject to tenure ((((100% approval provided your card is still ACTIVE, those CANCELLED by Bank's.....i m sorry, it was too late))))

by looking at the interest charges, yet EPP is still the BEST and very min requirement needed.....right???

i may share more in future and for those who need more info, please do not hesitate to call or email me directly.

cheers

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Please mind your font size, it might irritating to others, you might get warn because of this. Thank you for the cooperation.

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The scheme is indeed exploiting the loop hole of CC.



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post Oct 6 2008, 08:47 PM

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People in the market used to call it "Cr. Card Re-financing (CCRF)". There is no such product from banks. As commonly known, the Housing Refinancing or Auto Refinancing are definately real products from banks.

This CCRF is definately against all banks' and impacted their current business plan in their standard personal financing products such as Personal Loans, Balance Transfer etc.

In simple, this CCRF has against the Rule of game with banks. The game owner is bank not this CCRF company. The Rule that set by bank is to govern and protect their major business plan.


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QUOTE(jeffbong @ Oct 6 2008, 04:42 AM)
boon,
u r very straight forward guy.... i understand what u trying to say which is illegal and not the right way

cms malaysia
i'm not supporting u but it's a good "program"...

actually bank knows it is illegal to have this machine and swipe for cash, banks are clamping down cos my gf is an account manager for merchant dept in a bank... better be careful bro...but she say paling teruk also terminate lah...bank won't sue the merchant...heheheh
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u got the point here.......but bear in mind, i m not the merchant eventually......just cari makan and sharing good info around......those merchant really have their back-up when running into all this.....they are not 'tom, d*** and harry'........most probably their are connected...who know!!!!

most important....the program help and most important is that the consumer will not ended up in jail....simple as that

cheers



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cms.malaysia,
Please mind your font size, it might irritating to others, you might get warn because of this. Thank you for the cooperation.

All,
The scheme is indeed exploiting the loop hole of CC.
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noted bro MOD

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actually ppl in debt have only one goal....to reduce their debt... by all means if this "program" can give cheaper rates or 0% installment alternative, i would say why not???

some one here will come and say they shouldn't spent more and use cc bla bla bla + educational talk but... nasi sudah jadi bubur, so they cannot reverse the time...cheaper rates could help them...but if they screwed again...dunno what to say ler....
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post Oct 8 2008, 10:39 AM

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This plan only works for someone who has used 80% of their limit.

Scenario 1
See below calculation. 10000 limit with 8000 used.

EPP:

10000 x 18% = 1800 - This for EPP calculation
8000 + 1800 = 9800
10000 - 9800 = 200 - money that give user. rclxm9.gif
10000/24 = 416.67

Normal pay
8000 debt if pay by 5% (of debt) every month = 400 per month also can be settle in 24 months. thumbup.gif


In this scenario, if a user can afford to pay "so called" 0% EPP which is 416 per month, he could save 1800 and pay 400 every month in which he also could settle the debt. Moreover the user could have 2000 limit for emergency use.



If the user don't have enough limit to pay for the EPP plan, it's more headache.

Scenario 2
See below calculation. 10000 limit with 9500 used.

EPP:

10000 x 18% = 1800 - This for EPP calculation
9500 + 1800 = 11300
10000 - 11300 = 1300 - money that user pay in order eligible for this plan. doh.gif
10000/24 = 416.67

Normal pay
9500 debt if pay by 5% (of debt) every month = 475 per month also can be settle in 24 months. thumbup.gif


In this scenario, user just pay 416.67 every month which is lower than 475 that he should pay to settle his CC debt. But do you realize, the user need to pay upfront 1300 in order to eligible for this plan. If user have 1300, why he need to sign up for this plan.

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hey guys,

There is a Balanace Transfer Program from HLB with 0.5% for 6 months with Reducing Balance. If you have HLB CC, just call the Customer Service Officer and give them your X CC No. which you have the outstanding debt. They will arrange for you right away without any docs.

It is a good try product if you really need it.

You may want to check out some other banks besides HLB such as:

1. HLB
2. RHB
3. MBB
4. HSBC
5. etc

I guess this HLB Bal. Transfer is kind of good offer to those CC holders who intend to reduce their debts. There is no imposed of any admin processing fee.

0.5% x 6-month = 3.0% (yet is at the reducing bal./mth

I think bank has come out this plan to block away all these CCRF (cr. card refinancing) activities.

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QUOTE(futuretalk @ Oct 12 2008, 11:44 AM)
hey guys,

There is a Balanace Transfer Program from HLB with 0.5% for 6 months with Reducing Balance. If you have HLB CC, just call the Customer Service Officer and give them your X CC No. which you have the outstanding debt. They will arrange for you right away without any docs.

It is a good try product if you really need it. 

You may want to check out some other banks besides HLB such as:

                          1. HLB
                          2. RHB
                          3. MBB
                          4. HSBC
                          5. etc

I guess this HLB Bal. Transfer is kind of good offer to those CC holders who intend to reduce their debts. There is no imposed of any admin processing fee.

                          0.5% x 6-month = 3.0% (yet is at the reducing bal./mth

I think bank has come out this plan to block away all these CCRF (cr. card refinancing) activities.
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thanks for sharing.....eventually BT program intro by Bank was way many years back ago......yes, you are right and BT sometime can save your interest provided your bank card have sufficient limit for BT.......simple scenario.....if the user (HLB Card Holder) limit of 10k and total outstanding already 8000.....remaining balance only 2k......what make you thing BT will actually help alot??? but with EPP, the user can really feel relief....why, please read the above posting about the calculation.

every program there is an pros and cons obviously.......why HLB only offer 0.5% pm for only 6 months and not for 24month?????? let think again!!

browse below link for more info:-

Credit Card Restructuringhttp://forum.lowyat.net/topic/792689

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QUOTE(cms.malaysia @ Oct 14 2008, 07:25 PM)
thanks for sharing.....eventually BT program intro by Bank was way many years back ago......yes, you are right and BT sometime can save your interest provided your bank card have sufficient limit for BT.......simple scenario.....if the user (HLB Card Holder) limit of 10k and total outstanding already 8000.....remaining balance only 2k......what make you thing BT will actually help alot??? but with EPP, the user can really feel relief....why, please read the above posting about the calculation.

every program there is an pros and cons obviously.......why HLB only offer 0.5% pm for only 6 months and not for 24month?????? let think again!!

browse below link for more info:-

Credit Card Restructuringhttp://forum.lowyat.net/topic/792689
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hope the program really help!!

cheers
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QUOTE(cms.malaysia @ Oct 18 2008, 02:20 PM)
hope the program really help!!

cheers
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You qoute yourself without any specific discussion.

What is your purpose then?

This section is not a place to promote your service or selling anything.
There is a service noticeboard section that specific for it.

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