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Criptonox89
post Sep 16 2008, 01:29 AM

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Anybody here from Taylor's Engineering twinning program? Mind telling the pros and cons about this program?

I'm trying to figure out more about studying at Birmingham,

(i) living cost, accomodation, course fees, miscellaneous fees, and stuff?

(ii) What makes life in Malaysia different with Birmingham's? Culture? People? Safety?

(iii) Is there much Malaysian students?

(iv) Part-time jobs limited to 20hrs weekly, usually where do students work? Satisfactory pay?

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post Sep 18 2008, 02:29 AM

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QUOTE(jinXxxx @ Sep 17 2008, 06:57 PM)
Hello there Criptonox89.

To start it off with, I haven't been in Taylor's engineering programme, but I do have frens who have been in Taylor's Engineering and twinned over to the UK. However, they didnt go to Birmingham but instead went to University of Bath. Mind me asking which field of engineering you are taking?

I myself, have been studying in at University of Bath for the past 2 years and I have just recently moved to Birmingham for my placement. So I would be able to answer a good part of your questions there.

Living costs: Accommodation accounts for the biggest portion of your living costs, do check up the University's website for prices on university accommodation. It's usually the better option as you would be housed with other undergraduates and enables you to meet more people. As far as the range goes, they may range from £80-over £100 per week depending on what sort of accommodation you want. Other livings costs may include monthly bills for electric/water/gas but these would mostly be included in your accommodation costs (if you're under University accom.). Food and drinks would be solely dependent on you. I'd say typically around £50-70 a week would be a good gauge, but you may end up spending more/less on this. Shopping would not be a big worry if you spend wisely and time your buys with the sales. You'd be surprised at the amount of deals that crop up if you hunt hard enough.

Malaysia vs UK (Birmingham): Well for one, and I have to say this upfront, you will definitely miss the MAMAKS. No more round the clock access to good food. The alternative to that is the good old British Pubs where you go in for a pint and perhaps a burger. The culture here is not all that different to Malaysia but if you're up for beer then I suppose it would be a good start smile.gif. I must also say that the Brits themselves are pretty friendly. If ever you are in doubt, ask around and believe me, you will get help. I'd say its just about as safe as Malaysia can be, if not better.

Malaysian population: You would be seeing quite a few Malaysians now and then and perhaps bump into one on the streets. But part of the UK experience is to come here to meet people from other countries like China, HK, Germany or even UK itself. Oh and by the way, there is a China town in Birmingham for you to shop for 'essentials' to cook. There are chinese supermarkets and also restaurants.

Part-timing: Students usually work part time in restaurants. Some also do retail/supermarkets which pays higher but is harder to get into. The basic pay in the UK is governed by the law and it's £4+/hr IIRC. Don't quote me on this but an average waiting job pays around £5/hr. It's a sizeable amount of side money to earn whilst you're studying. And if your employer doesn't mind, you could work more than 20hrs a week. However, if you keep to the 20hr limit and work say in McDonalds, you'd be looking at an extra £250-300 a month. So YES, it is good pay.
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Thanks a lot for your reply.

I'm planning to do Mechanical Engineering, still deciding between BEng and MEng. Do you mind explaining about the CEng application in UK? If i were to take BEng, could i be a CEng? How many years i've to work for?

If i were to take MEng, i can get the CEng title straight away after examination from ECUK?

Is that recommended to stay in university accommodation? How's their university accommodation? Would it be too worn? or bad hygiene? Is there any sorta like studio room there?

Btw, i believed working >20hrs/week is illegal right? How many % will be taxed by government? As I'm studying at Malaysia now, i found being a part-timer is really hard, as no shop is gonna employ you for the 4-5 hrs a day, is that possible to happen in UK?

Thanks again for your kindness, i feel more confident... thumbup.gif

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post Sep 18 2008, 04:55 AM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Sep 18 2008, 03:38 AM)
CEng.
1) BEng + Complete Master Level of education (e.g. ECUK exams) + CPD (Continuous professional development, this could be company scheme or self learning + work experience)

2) MEng +  CPD (Continuous professional development, this could be company scheme or self learning + work experience)

Work experience, you are looking at about 4 years.  AFAIK, IMechE doesn't specify a minimum working experience period but the general consensus is you wouldn't get your CEng. if you apply too early.  Therefore, it will be a minimum of 3-4 years before you can acquire CEng. regardless of what your education level is. 

University accommodation
Yes take it.  Usually they are fairly good.  Yes there are studio rooms but it will cost more. 

Working
Yes more than 20 hours would be illegal.  You are a student so you will not be taxed.  I used to work in Hilton during weekends on evening.  Usually about 6-12am and usually I get free dinner as well (left overs). 

There are also shops that would hire you for a few hours per day once or twice every week.  Working student are fairly common so most shops would be flexible with the hours.

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Uhm..which means, in order to graduate with a BEng in UK, we have to sit for exams from ECUK? Just as what Malaysia did, we need to sit for exams from IEM/BEM for graduating with a BEng?

Great, you had truly enlighten me...Thanks a lot bro. nod.gif
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post Sep 18 2008, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(jinXxxx @ Sep 18 2008, 04:09 PM)
Arturia. Referring to your quote on the MAS baggage limit (http://thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2008/2/24/nation/20429807&sec=nation), the 32kg is the limit for one piece of luggage.

They are imposing a 32kg limit for each luggage bag. If you have a 35kg bag, you will need to check it in as two bags. And do remember that this doesn't mean that you won't be charged for overweight luggage. The weight allowed on is clearly printed in your ticket. Do double-check this weight with the agents to see if there are any further allowances. The last thing you want is to travel with a 28kg bag thinking you're under this '32kg limit' and getting charged for an excess of 8kg.

And to Criptonox89, if I could add on to what Geminist has said earlier, yes CEng status would be based more on what you do after you graduate, rather than what you graduate with. Typically, you would need to be working under a company with CPD for around 4 years to achieve this status. There are other ways to speed things up. For example, you could take a year out in your studies to do a placement (like I am) and have that year count towards your CEng. If you are looking towards achieving CEng, you would need to commit yourself to staying in the UK for a few years after graduation.
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Well, that's great. I don't mind working rather harder on the first few years, money is kind of a concern for me, 1 more year in UK gonna cost me RM100k more. Being a BEng, would I be a 'loser' when come to employment(intense competition?), which might lead to unemployment.

After surfing, asking, listening from all of you guys, guess I'll be doing BEng as it doesn't really affect my pathway becoming a CEng. Really, Thanks a lot guys!! notworthy.gif
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post Sep 19 2008, 01:25 AM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Sep 19 2008, 12:38 AM)
I have a BEng. and I am employed by a leading consultancy, so the answer is not really.  I am also currently doing the ECUK examinations as part of my route to CEng. 

Personally, I would suggest doing a Masters, BEng + MSc. for future proofing if possible.  Although it is not required for the next few years, it would certainly become a more common standard in the future.
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Glad to hear that. Good Luck with that.

Yes, i believe that would be a good option as well, as Master(postg.) is getting much common nowadays. Alright, thanks for the efforts. Good Luck to all of us. thumbup.gif

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post Sep 19 2008, 04:26 PM

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QUOTE(jinXxxx @ Sep 19 2008, 04:13 AM)
Well basically whatever Geminist has said smile.gif

I myself am doing MEng Mechanical Engineering. My course is really in depth and long as I'm taking a placement year as well. That's a total of 5 years from First year till graduation. And I'm only entering my placement which is literally the halfway point of my course.

As far as job competitiveness goes, I'd say it's pretty even. Though most people who graduate with BEng would at some point go on to do PG (Post Graduate) Masters or even a PhD.

I hope that clears up all the doubt you have about studying in the UK. I would say that the experience of studying in the UK is one not to be missed.

PS: Geminist, if you don't mind me asking, where & when did you graduate from? smile.gif
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Hmm...pretty convincing for me.. biggrin.gif BEng will be my choice then.

Just asked my parents, they nod.gif with my choice, thanks god a everyone else, especially you guys.. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 21 2008, 04:40 PM

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Guys, good day.

If i graduated with a BEng in UK, and achieved CEng title, would I be able to work in Malaysia?
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post Sep 22 2008, 07:19 PM

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QUOTE(jasperng @ Sep 21 2008, 06:33 PM)
It is under the discretion of our "Holy" BEM whether to accept it or not. They will asnwer you this if you ask them.

Btw, even without CEng title you will also able to work in malaysia. >.<
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Without the CEng, but with BEng, I can work in Malaysia as well? I mean professional development...If I'm not mistaken, either BEM or IEM doesn't recognize BEng. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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post Sep 24 2008, 02:17 AM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Sep 23 2008, 07:39 PM)
ECUK exams is there basically to just top up your education level.  It's a pass/fail thing.  You expect 4 papers + 1 project.  Exams are held once a year around May. 

I would recommend getting a Masters if possible because it also has other additional benefits.  One important thing is make sure your MSc. is recognised by the professional body you register to.  It's not that difficult to study while working.  It will only be more challenging if you have to work late, i.e. over 5.30pm until 7pm or 8pm. 

I am personally inclined to take MSc instead of MEng as discussed previously.
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As 1 paper each year, gonna take up 4 years in total, but then one will have enough recognized working experience, and liable to apply for CEng. Correct me if i'm wrong.

If one were to take Msc after BEng/MEng, he/she still has to work in order to accumulate enough working experience right?

So basically it's the matter that whether or not you wanna study while working. Is that possible if i were to avoid the ECUK exams, by working after graduation(BEng), then only i get a Msc after i've got enough cash? What matters me is 1 more year in UK gonna cost my dad another 100k.

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post Sep 24 2008, 02:32 AM

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QUOTE(Geminist @ Sep 24 2008, 02:29 AM)
You are free to take as many subjects as you like within the limit (I recall it's 4).  Your project can go concurrently with your exams. 

Yes you can do that.  The ultimate rule is when you apply for CEng, you will need to have a Master's level of education.
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I see. Which means things we were examined in ECUK papers also equivalent to a Master. Roughly how much does each paper costs?


Added on September 24, 2008, 2:34 am
QUOTE(Geminist @ Sep 24 2008, 02:29 AM)
You are free to take as many subjects as you like within the limit (I recall it's 4).  Your project can go concurrently with your exams. 

Yes you can do that.  The ultimate rule is when you apply for CEng, you will need to have a Master's level of education.


Added on September 24, 2008, 2:30 amOh and one more thing, I used to thought about continuing my Masters after working when I have the cash. 

However, having worked for two years, I have decided to take ECUK exams or part time studies because I don't find going back to university that much interesting as compared to working (experience + income).
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Yea, that's what worrying me. Even my dad asked so. tongue.gif


Added on September 24, 2008, 2:37 amOh yea, if i've already titled as CEng, Does it matter if i have a BEng only, while the rest are BEng, Msc, CEng or MEng, CEng?


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QUOTE(Geminist @ Sep 24 2008, 02:41 AM)
Each paper cost about £100.  Project cost about £300. 

No one really gives a toss when you have CEng.  But having a longer title on your business card always look nice biggrin.gif

Sorry, I clicked "edit" on your post by accident.
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Doesn't matter. icon_rolleyes.gif

Haha...yea, right. It's always nicer. Alright, those are my question so far..Thanks for helping bro. biggrin.gif
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post Oct 13 2008, 12:56 AM

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Hello gus,

Am wondering if ECUK (CEng, IMechE) recognizes 2+1 BEng.? Which means only ONE year in UK only

Thanks guys..

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post Oct 26 2008, 01:56 PM

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Hello guys,

Anybody here from Birmingham? May i know how much u guys spent every month? Including accomodation, food, phone bills, internet, utilities, and other amenities(not including leisure such as shopping, clubbing)?

Thanks guys.. smile.gif
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QUOTE(youngkies @ Oct 26 2008, 05:46 PM)
accommodation including internet and utilities - £350

phone bills - £30 monthly but cashback for £360 after 12 months = absolutely free.

food ~ £200 depending on appetite laugh.gif
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Whoa, cash back? Sounds great, but i'm not good in 'boiling phone porridge', usually i'll spend RM40/month only.

You're staying on-campus or off-campus?

I'm actually doing a twinning course, if i arrive at UoB for the first year(3rd year engineering), am i eligible of staying out of campus accomodation? Because as far as i read from UoB's website, new student has to stay in campus accomodation for one year before one can move out.

QUOTE(lord @ Oct 26 2008, 07:01 PM)
i'm in birmingham  biggrin.gif my accomodation+internet+electricity & gas bill = average 300 a month...
accomodation varies according to location...i think it's the same with every city...i dont really use my phone often..sometimes 10 pounds credit and last for 2-3 months... brows.gif

food...if i dont buy junk food and cook at home...20-30 pounds a week will do...but of course..sometimes we eat out then gotta spend more...
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you're staying off-campus? 300pounds for all that is kinda a good deal...

Haha, not sure about caling rates of UK's network, but 10pounds for 2-3months is definitely thumbup.gif

Yea, i believed that cook ourselves can really save a lot....too bad i'm sux in cooking, or in another sense, i dont know how to make dishes...LoL...seriously gonna learn it before i fail to survive at UK... tongue.gif

QUOTE(kuih_tiow @ Oct 27 2008, 01:39 AM)
i from coventry but normally once in two weeks went to birmingham to shopping or window shopping.
accomodation = uni halls
food = i cook around 5pound-10pound/week
internet = uni
phone = less than 15pound/month


Added on October 27, 2008, 2:02 am


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Seems Birmingham is good for shopaholic biggrin.gif , Is it hard to find S(malaysian cutting) size shirt at UK? I found Marks & Spencer's(malaysia outlet) shirt is REALLY LARGE for my body size, nothing suits me inside there...

How's the internet speed of UoB's hall? Averagely how many kb/s?

Thanks for all the reply guys...i'll appreciate that... notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(youngkies @ Oct 27 2008, 09:18 PM)
off campus.

i highly suggest you to stay in uni accommodation for at least the first year  for various reasons:

1. you will definitely make more friends and attend more university/society's functions.

2. this the best chance for you to experience different culture and lifestyle.

3. it is way less hassle for uni to arrange everything for you, rather than hunting room and sorting out all the stuff (utilities) by yourself. too much hassle for a newcomer to UK.
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Yes, agreed with your points of view. But the minimum tenancy is 1 year, which is kinda long if the environment isn't good for me.
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I've checked on Emirates Airlines, they're providing flights to many of UK states...not sure if it's cheap though.

 

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