Oh, nothing wrong about that.
So what has this got to do with buddhism again?


People who love money that goes for those amulets, it isn't greed eh?
Again, the monk himself renounced such amulets, and yes, specifically jatukam.
So how then is what you're doing being in line with Buddhism?


Just like gambling and prostitution, it helps the country's GDP growth too. So can you say Buddhism now supports gambling and prostitution? You're justifying monetary gains against the teachings of Buddhism, watering down its core principals of morality and detachment, no?
You have yet to tell me in what way does Buddhism teaches you about using Amulets. Do point it out please


For one, you have YET to show me which part of Buddhism that teaches about charms and amulets.
Two, it isn't thai buddhism culture, but thai culture, which has NOTHING to do with Buddhism. Just because them monks are wayward doesn't mean it is taught in Buddhism. Again, show me the facts that it is in line with Buddhist teachings.

Since you're into amulets, and based on your assertion that chinese buddhists don't believe in it, that means either you're not a chinese, or you're not a buddhist, right?

Escape to another subject? Aren't we still in the SAME subject about amulets/charms going against Buddhism? You're the one tying it up with buddhism. I'm the one challenging you to PROVE it. But till now, you're still twisting your words around. Answer my question if you're capable. Unless, you're not a buddhist yourself

Two points, one, I was referring to the family now as a whole, two, I was pointing out how their success isn't relying on amulets and charms.
To split hairs, yes, the old man himself is a buddhist. But neither that can be attributed to charms for his success.

So, point out the FACT which part of Buddhism teaches one to use charms on others?
I'd like to know from you.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6976705.stm

Read it boy. And do point out to me in what way is it in line with Buddha's teachings. I'm curious to know

Isn't this thread in discussion about amulets? Since you guys like to link it to buddhism, so isn't it right to discuss in what way it is link with buddhism then? Or just because you can't fathom the fallacy of your beliefs here that goes against buddhism, you have to call this a spam?
Answer my question if you're up to it.

The thing is that such amulets and charms are drawing people closer towards materialism and greed.
I've seen people who depends so much on such charms and amulets that it becomes like a magical item for them, and worse monks that actually made them believe they can improve their love for money and sex life. Monks!

The reason why amulets isn't banned is because it generates money. Same with prostitution. Is prostitution in line with Buddhism? Since these whores are buddhists too.

This indeed tells me how flimsy buddhism is. Flexible is another excuse for lack of accountability. Anything goes. I won't be surprise to see a prostitute nun in the future, or a cross gender monk.

If its an ornament, I don't see a problem with it

As you mentioned, if its purpose is to lay a charm on someone or something for love, sex or business, then it is wrong.


Neither does Abrahamic religions have any problem with gays or prostitutes, it is only the act of illicit sex/homosexuality that is abhorred, not the person. But zealots/extremists are everywhere condemning people instead of just the act.

And precisely the point, it is an unwholesome act and should not be supported, but the country's economy needs it, buddhists patronize it, but it still doesn't make it a thai-buddhism-culture as someone pointed out. Likewise for amulets that lays charms on people. It is wrong to link these stuffs to buddhism.

The same with you too..if you don't agree with me, just shut your @ss up and go back to sleep.

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Added on March 11, 2009, 11:58 pmLooks like wingky here is contradicting himself....

yea..this shows the intellect level

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Mar 11 2009, 11:58 PM

Wow... using foul language now..

I see how these amulets are kicking into action now... thai gods are so powerful!

You just scored +7 in your karmic energy! Congrats!

And yes, please post your address and phone number here. Thanks!

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Mar 12 2009, 01:45 AM

That could be a blessing too!!!

It isn't about me being a saint or not. To link to it is an ad hominem fallacy.
It is about you guys linking it to buddhism that is wrong.


And that is the reason why prostitution isn't banned to because it generates money, but does this mean it is good and in line with Buddhism? Considering Thai is a buddhist nation, 90% are buddhists. Given the demographic probability, these people, the patrons and prostitutes could very well be buddhists, and so are the law makers. Therefore, your points that its not banned and generating money doesn't mean it is wholesome and good in buddhism's perspective
No where have I mentioned about the sexual orientation. Prostitution is the act of whoring themselves, which is morally wrong in Buddhism.

For one, I doubt you're a buddhist.
Two, stop linking this to buddhism

Looking at how wingky makes threats? Yes...you guys are all peaceful on the facade and are incapable of discussion without making threats and hurling foul languages like your little boy here.

I know you are pissed, because you know I am right and you can't answer my question.
I agree with greyPJ and he agrees with me too. Most of these charms to charm people and business for love and money and what not is corrupt and bad.

Hmm, i like this.....maybe I can get this for my own indulgence?

Whoa...so good, got form 3 to study..

i came from the streets la...no form 1 also.. had to learn how to sell my beckside to angmoh, to learn my england la.. everyday have to say "Gawd ayam kambing"... sigh...

but you so smart wor, so i must come here in this thread more often, so i learn more things from you lor, since u form 3 rait? so smart.

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Added on March 13, 2009, 12:10 amYa lor, kuan ngo h*i see lor. Since u so vulgar and smart, form 3 man, i form 1 pun tarak... why don u pm yr phone to me lor, i call u for some sex lor. i give u free service la.

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Mar 13 2009, 12:10 AM

I think you should read things in contexts first before shooting blanks.
For one, you do fail in sacrasm 101. May I suggest you a good book for that?

Who decides on karma anyway?

To me, it is good karma.
I run an escort service agency, making lonely old men happy, giving them fresh breath in life once more, experiencing romance they one had over decades ago, they become happy, joyful, lower stress level, increase in potency... so yes, it is good karma.

You tell me, who decides on karma then. Isn't it relative? You see what I do as bad, but what my clients feel as good!
You should try it too sometime. Sex isn't bad. Why should it be? If it weren't for sex, you wouldn't be born, would you?
Come, my boy, allow me to open your perception, free your mind, and indulge in the world of paradise... I'll show you what heaven really is.

On a serious note, if you do read back, discussions were done pretty civilly until someone used the number 7 so periodically.
Context, Captain Oblivious, context...you're lacking in it.

What is disrespectful? The clarifying of what is actually buddhism and not that is deemed so disrespectful to you? GreyPJ's video clip speaks full well of the use of Amulets. Its a good watch, albeit being 1hour long.

Why can't we continue the "healthy debate" online here? I believe our discussion here can bring much benefits to others, minus those who like to hurl vulgarities without contributing one bit of intelligent discussion.

Sarcasm is a very mild approach to people whose intent is to demean others using illogical and foul words. Unless you would want me to stoop to their standard of vulgarity?

I prefer online discussions, as the discussion can be looked back and refer to anytime we wish, and save it and archive it for future references.
Oral discussions while good in its sense, doesn't tend to hold in the long run as memory fails.

Online discussions also allows us to draft our discussions properly, do our research prior to typing things out. Thereby leading to a more fruitful outcome than just talk and talk and I have to accept it at face value with no means of counter checking it.

Walk the talk? I am walking the talk. My stance is that this thread serves to discuss about Amulets, then so be it.

Internet Tough guy? Everyone here in /K/ knows I'm that I'm a sissy, fragile and thin. But my lack in physical means is compensated by my logical thoughts and debates.

If you have no intention to discuss, then just leave this tread alone. Why post here? Why intimidate me with words like "coward" or "tough guy"?
If you are unable to form logical words for discussion, then by all means LEARN


And neither did I start personal insults of vulgarity other than your good friends back there.
Go figure.

In what way then can it be misunderstood?
You aren't making full use of this forum then.
Or could it be that your command in english isn't that good?
Look over at RWI. Do you see anyone of them there calling for a meetup to discuss? No.
Everything can be laid out in the forum for proper discussions. Misunderstanding can occur too even when people meetup face to face. Otherwise you wouldn't have physical fights would you?


You are instigating a sentiment to provoke a response to your liking, of which isn't doing any good in discussion.
The same can be done when meeting face to face. So whats the point?

If you're capable in holding arguing statement, then isn't it an oxymoron in calling for a meetup?
Nope. This thread was brought up on Amulets and the discussions should continue here so everyone in this forum can participate if they wish.
Personal insults? I may have insinuated some thought process here, of which this thread would otherwise mislead people into thinking Buddhism is encouraging the use of charms.

Thank you for replying.

this is /K/. This is what you get when your thread gets THROWN into kopitiam...because its a peace of worthless thread.

I have my social life too, but it doesn't do justice if the above question that was posted here wasn't answered here.
While you gave your POV on those amulets and charms, I gave mine. Any counter arguments, post it out here too. Simple as that. Nothing to do with social life as per se.

Because this thread was opened to ask about it. So why didn't you tell BabyDunHell to go to thailand and ask the chief monk?

I'm pointing out at the dangers in relying on such amulets and charms, and the misleading facts when you tie it with Buddhism, which very much serves the purpose of this thread. Its just that you don't like and agree what I've posted and couldn't dispute it here, and the rest that couldn't come up with proper facts would called me to shut up. Is this the mentality of young folks here? Or is it because they are too brainwashed by this charms and amulets that somewhat affects their logics?

If you disagree with my facts, disprove it. Simple. Are you game for it?

Fine. come find me.

In the mean time, what religion are you actually in?
I reckon that I;ve spilled some beans here, have I?

Revealing the truths of your fake charms and amulets, now resorting to threats?
Very muslim like.

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Mar 13 2009, 04:38 PM

I'm pointing out how it can be misled when you see monks involved in it, and explain on why it shouldn't involve monks.
Thats all. The dangers would be when its taken for granted for things it cannot do for the wearer.
And my POV was given on the charms used on people in terms of business and relationships, and the dangers it pose.
The use of Amulets have nothing to do with religion. And it baffles me why people say I should not mind their beliefs.
This thread isn't talking about their beliefs. it is seeking POVs on such items, hence my POV stands.

But the problem is, there are people here that cannot take point of views that are in opposite view of theirs.

Intolerant people comes in many forms and be in everywhere.

Well, from the way how people see and use amulets and charms as something magical, and with monks "blessing" it to make it magical...I doubt its from the origins of Buddhism. While remaining flexible, one must not fail to realize that by seeking to charm someone for something goes against the moral values in Buddhism.

And from the link

"Is it true that the Buddha amulet can protect firearms?

Yes it is. But it also depends on the quality of your mind. The late Luang Phor Ngern of Wat Don Yai Hom, Nakorn Pathom Province, one of the greatest guru monks, once said that: the number-one mind with full-hearted trust in Lord Buddha's miracles, the gun will not bang or misfire; the number-two mind, the gun bang but the bullet misses; the number-three mind, the gun bang and the bullet hit the target but never penetrate into the body. So, when you hang Buddha amulets on your neck, you must have faith and trust on the Buddha!!"

It would be great wouldn't it?

This post has been edited by happy4ever: Mar 13 2009, 06:20 PM