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post Sep 15 2008, 02:47 PM, updated 18y ago

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The all new Naza Citra 2 Rondo was launched this morning at NAZA Auto Mall in PJ. Watch the video for Hezeri Samsuri's first impression of the car. Price for the all new citra starts at RM 84,888 for the EX variant while the high spec EXS starts at RM 88,888

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post Sep 15 2008, 02:52 PM

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84 grand for that car ??????

i remember seeing a grand livina roughly around that price range. i know its below 100k mark.
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post Sep 15 2008, 02:53 PM

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Not my cup of tea for cars. The price is high also for this brand
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post Sep 15 2008, 02:53 PM

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post Sep 15 2008, 03:16 PM

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post Sep 15 2008, 03:38 PM

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stupid ugly design with a naza badge for 84k??..crazyyyyyyyy! shakehead.gif
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UGLY! and overpriced!! just like nautica..have u seen any nautica on the road yet? haha...
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post Sep 15 2008, 03:56 PM

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Well, at least there's a lot of improvement compared to the previous one. And it's packed with lotsa features too.
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One word, fugly.



On another note, I do believe that the Proton MPV can look better than this.
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New York taxi..finally her
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post Sep 15 2008, 04:49 PM

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rebadge car la curi from kia for what !!!
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QUOTE(stratocaster @ Sep 15 2008, 03:43 PM)
UGLY! and overpriced!! just like nautica..have u seen any nautica on the road yet? haha...
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Yalo, too expensive la..should be 65K++. wink.gif Nautica?? siapa wan buy? If i buy i also buy Toyota Rush la. Btw, i juz saw 1 b4 nia but Rush saw many la OTR. laugh.gif

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post Sep 15 2008, 05:59 PM

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over priced because its new and is around the world !
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I don't think its overpriced. Its suppose to be a replacement for Naza Citra which goes for between 76k~84k just a month ago. Due to the arrival of Rondo, Citra is now 68~76k and Rondo takes over the price of 84,888 and 88,888 for its two model.

So its not overpriced at all. In fact, you see a better version of Citra with an original price. Compared to a 1.6 (M) Grand Livina that costs 84k, you get a Rondo 2.0 (A) DOHC CVVT engine. I think its a very competitive price.

As for New York taxi cab, I can say that since this model is 2 years old in the States, I think its safe to say its a good model that they bring into Malaysia. What I know is that this engine is completely different from Citra, in fact some says it takes the same platform as Kia Optima.
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post Sep 15 2008, 07:12 PM

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I hate to say this, but the reviewer put way too much sugar and being very biased into his review.

Things like he says "Compared to the old Citra, this is leaps and bounds better"
He even said that the dashboard is "very modern " and has "European style air cond vents"...whats so special about these? It's just slightly different than even MYVI's aircond vents, mind you, and it's all black compared to Grand Livina's wooden dashboard trimmings.

I haven't seen this unit yet, but I've tried the old CITRA and it's really cramp for a 2.0L class MPV.

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Yea, Grand Livina has wooden dashboard trimmings, but thats only on its premium model that cost 97k. The really dissapointing part about this Rondo is that its interior its NOT leather or even half leather. Its somewhat fabric, which is in both EX and EXS model. The difference between EX and EXS is the sunroof bar, the 16" rim, audio control steering and aircond sensor. For a difference of $4k, I don't think the EXS has anything to shout about.

However, looking at the whole body size of the car, its bigger than Citra and Sportage (slightly). Interior wise, someone told me Grand Livina has a smaller cabin size compared to Citra, especially the 2nd row (behind driver).

I agree that the dashboard is nothing to shout about. The guy merely saying it for the sake of saying something. I personally don't like the roundish aircond vent, but compared to Citra that doesn't have aircond in the 2nd/3rd row, this one does.

Lastly, I think Rondo is in the same league as Citra, which should be Mini MPV. So to be exact, the car can just fit around 5 adults and 2 children.
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post Sep 15 2008, 10:19 PM

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wow nice there.... their nearest rivals will be livina, between rush and innova..
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This morning I went to Naza showroom in Melaka and saw the new models. They told me its launched today starting 10am. I was pleasantly surprised to be among the earliest to know about it. Immediately after that I called Naza johor to inquire more about it and I knew I have to test drive this car. This weekend Im coming down to JB branch to try out this baby. First time driven an MPV, before this Kelisa only. sad.gif

Anyway, if I like the car, will definitely book one on the spot. So far they only have 50 available stock for the peninsular region, not including 2 models for each major branch in the states. Meaning this model not available in any car agents other than naza branch. If the model is having a good run, you might expect to see waiting list of 1 month to 3 month. Though I think Naza wont have too much problems with availability compared to more common brands like Nissan Grand Livina.
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I think some guys are sitting in front of a keyboard and just saying ‘cheap interior’ but don’t have a clue what they actually mean. The media guy in the YouTube video drives the actual vehicle and says he really likes the interior. I suggest you go to the showroom and check:

a) Materials
b) Interior gap fit and finish
c) Exterior gap fit and finish (bumper to body, hood gaps, uniformity)
d) Doors (triple contact rubber seals)
e) Flat floor carpet (no hills and valleys, bumps)
f) Paint quality - no drip marks, glossy in all the right areas
g) Tricot headliner

Then only form your own opinion but be sure to compare with Nissan Livina, Toyota Avanza and then some higher priced units like the Toyota Innova, Wish and Honda Stream. Some of the comments on the interior and quality here seem like very emotional assumptions.

Here are the fuel consumption specs for a GASOLINE powered, AUTOMATIC Rondo, from the Kia UK website.

15″ Alloys
Urban (cold) - mpg(l/100km) 24.1 (11.7)
Extra urban - mpg (l/100km) 40.9 (6.9)
Combined - mpg (l/100km) 32.8 (8.6)

16″ Alloys
Urban (cold) - mpg(l/100km) 24.6 (11.5)
Extra urban - mpg (l/100km) 42.8 (6.6)
Combined - mpg (l/100km) 33.6 (8.4)
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post Sep 16 2008, 01:30 PM

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Looking at the pictures at paultan.org, I would say that the car looks pretty nice to me. Should be a strong seller for Naza.
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post Sep 16 2008, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(stratocaster @ Sep 15 2008, 03:43 PM)
UGLY! and overpriced!! just like nautica..have u seen any nautica on the road yet? haha...
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post Sep 16 2008, 03:59 PM

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why some of u say it's overpriced? proof to me any other similar one with better value (on paper at least).
don't just b##sh#t here
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These days, statistics plays a big role in proving a car's road worthiness. Its common for people to be abit sceptical of something new, especially something from Naza (hint: Sutera). But give it a few month, and we'll see from then how well is the selling unit for this 4th quarter of the year. Naza stated that they plan to sell 200 unit each month and their target for year 2008 is 600 unit. If they can reach this target, it would show a good start off for this model.

For this time being, I think Rondo is among the earlier model to come out lately, after Grand Livina a few month ago. I heard Hyundai Matrix is also coming out with a new model, plus Proton's MPV. Then it'll be up to the people to choose which of these has the best offer. At least Rondo has the advantage as the front runner in the mini MPV category, although Naza claim to put Rondo in the cross-over Utility Vehicle (CUV). I honestly don't know what model is in that category.

Also, based on car buyer's sentiment, they generally don't buy cars in the fourth quarter (Oct, Nov, Dec) due to degradation of car value upon entering the New Year. So who knows how well this car would sell. If one would purely rely on other people's opinion, it'll be just as well asking a mama goat about the car's suspension. Guys in my workplace says Naza made a big mistake by choosing the name Rondo. In Jawa, it literally means Janda....so any ladies thinking of buying a Janda might get some punishment from their Jawa-speaking friends.
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QUOTE(sevendogz @ Sep 16 2008, 03:59 PM)
why some of u say it's overpriced? proof to me any other similar one with better value (on paper at least).
don't just b##sh#t here
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so far naza is alwiz the best in term of value... including naza ria also.. no 1 can beat over their price... even with FC also the best!
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First look review from motortrader.com.my:

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Reading this review, its not surprising that Citra ll Rondo indeed has a big difference from Citra l by leaps and bounds. So you guys still think the reviews are too much sugar-coated? whistling.gif whistling.gif whistling.gif
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man thats was so,,,,,,,,,, rclxub.gif
But naza no choice they take others car and put under their name. No blame.
THe car like baloon here and there.

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post Sep 18 2008, 05:28 PM

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I hope that anybody who has purchased this car can post their comments here after they have received the car.
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post Sep 18 2008, 06:13 PM

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wow! nice european market car, I hope it depreciates like the Ria, 1/2 price in 3years, then I will buy one to carry goods!
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Officially Rondo was launched just last Monday (15/9) but their website just updated yesterday for rondo. Link to rondo is:
www.nazakia.com.my/microsite/rondo.

Its funny when the website doesn't reflect the launching date of a car model. Its as if they are doing a half baked job at promoting their car this year.

Anyway, looking from the website, I just realised something. Rondo uses timing chain instead of the more common timing belt. I never had any experience with this kind before. Can anyone give some opinion on what advantage timing chain has over timing belt?
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Added on September 18, 2008, 10:09 pm
QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Sep 18 2008, 09:48 PM)
Officially Rondo was launched just last Monday (15/9) but their website just updated yesterday for rondo. Link to rondo is:
www.nazakia.com.my/microsite/rondo.

Its funny when the website doesn't reflect the launching date of a car model. Its as if they are doing a half baked job at promoting their car this year.

Anyway, looking from the website, I just realised something. Rondo uses timing chain instead of the more common timing belt. I never had any experience with this kind before. Can anyone give some opinion on what advantage timing chain has over timing belt?
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the useful life is much longer than timing belt... 100k...

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Some info on the Rondo engine, shared with the new Optima. Note that the Rondo is a WORLD-CLASS model sold in North America and Europe (as Carens), not some Asian-only model like Vios, City, Grand Livina, etc.!

Here's the CVVT vendor - http://www.morsetec.com/ and the GEMA site - http://www.gemaengine.com/.

The Hyundai-Kia Theta (G4KC) is a gasoline 4-cylinder automobile engine family. This is the third all-aluminum engine of Hyundai Motor Company debuted in the fourth-generation Hyundai Sonata sedan(codenamed NF) and Kia Optima (codenamed MG).

It features hollow stainless-steel DOHC with powder-metal cam lobes, pent-roof combustion chamber and shimless bucket tappets in the cylinder head. BorgWarner Morse TEC supplies the complete set of timing system that uses the company's proprietary silent timing chains. CVVT(Continuously-variable valve timing) works on the intake side.

The aluminum alloy engine block, which is formed using high-pressure die-cast method, has a unique Metaldyne-supplied cassette-type balance shaft module with a two-stage oil pump built-in. In the lower-end, the block is reinforced by a ladder frame (Similar to Honda B18C!). Other notable features include fracture-split sinter-forged connecting rods and stainless-steel exhaust manifold.

Theta's EMS(engine management system) software is EMS-II from Siemens VDO and the 32-bit PCM(Powertrain Control Module) calculates the amount of intake air by utilizing a contamination-proof hot-film type MAF(mass airflow) sensor.

Chrysler Corporation began production of a modified version of Theta, dubbed World Engine, in Dundee, Michigan in October 2005. Chrysler engineered their own air intake system and exhaust manifold which is made of gray cast iron. The World Engine also differs in the EMS as it measures the amount of intake air indirectly using a MAP sensor, another cost-saving feature of the Chrysler-modified engine.

Hyundai Motor Manufacturing Alabama (HMMA) is currently building a Theta II engine shop on the grounds of their Montgomery, Alabama automobile factory. The shop will build only the Theta II engine for both the Hyundai plant and the new Kia Plant in West Point, GA. It is scheduled to be completed by August 2008.

The engine is used in:

HYUNDAI-KIA
Kia RONDO
Kia OPTIMA
Hyundai SONATA
Hyundai GENESIS COUPE 2.0

MITSUBISHI (4B1)
Mitsubishi LANCER

CHRYSLER
Dodge CALIBER
Jeep PATRIOT 4x2
Jeep COMPASS 4x2
Dodge Avenger (Export)
Chrysler Sebring (Export)
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QUOTE(stratocaster @ Sep 15 2008, 03:43 PM)
UGLY! and overpriced!! just like nautica..have u seen any nautica on the road yet? haha...
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er...like nautica? nautica looks way better, more agile, younger and sportier. and yes, many times on roads apart from my neighbor owns one too which i see everyday.

QUOTE(aarex @ Sep 15 2008, 05:40 PM)
Yalo, too expensive la..should be 65K++.  wink.gif  Nautica?? siapa wan buy? If i buy i also buy Toyota Rush la. Btw, i juz saw 1 b4 nia but Rush saw many la OTR.  laugh.gif
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timing chain last longer than timing belt , you dont need to change it until its start giving out some cranking noise tho
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Just got my Rondo last Monday and to date already travelled 1,700 km on it. Yea, took it for my long journey during raya. I dunno much about giving reviews, but I'm one very satisfied customer! The exterior is subtle, yet doesn't look like MPV at all. One look at Grand Livina, you know its an mpv class. But looking at rondo, its anyone guess. Even I keep guessing myself if this car looks a hint of SUV and Sedan. Naza made a right choice to put this car in the new category CUV. Will be interesting to see what other new model will come out to compete.

Interior wise, I'm very impressed. Yes, it feels plasticky, but its very solid and the dashboard is amazing. When I went to compared with Grand Livina, Wish and Caldina, I feel that with this car, its like buying a 2nd Wish but with half the price. Definitely a good deal. Anyway, some say the first batch is always the best in quality, but I leave that to each their own beliefs. All I can say is that, I like the gear layout, the middle compartment between the driver and passanger, the trip meter, the glove compartment, the sunglasses compartment and the 3rd row left/right compartment. I think its safe to say it has 80% resemblance to Wish's layout.

Driving feels really good for me. To be honest, I never driven any mpv before, and my previous car was kelisa. So the experience was really enjoying for me. In 3 days, I drove from JB to kota tinggi, then back to JB, then up to KL, then kuala selangor, then down to Tangkak. The seat is nice, especially when I can adjust the seat height to give me a higher level view from my seat. Felt like driving an SUV. Although my neck does strain after the 3rd day probably due because I don't know how to adjust the neck rest to my comfort. Other than that, the cabin is very quiet even when on highway driving over 100kmph. I thought my horn sounded meek from inside the car. Then when my wife honk it while I was outside only did I realised how loud it is. Terkejut I you. happy.gif

The only con I can think of is the lock/unlock alarm. Instead of using a tweet sound, they decided to connect it to the car honk. So when I click unlock, you get two short honk sound, which can be embarrassing when other people are around. Im thinking of asking the service men to change it when I send for my first service. Other than that, the 2nd and 3rd row seat uphosltery is nothing to shout about. Its dark coloured with meshed lining. Grand livina has a nicer cover for the seat I think.

I've already mentioned alot of what I know, but Im sure still much more to be said about this very nice car. Yes, the design is nothing to shout about. But for the price of 84,888/88,888 I guarantee you that you won't be dissapointed with the functions and stuff that they put into this car. To be honest, there is nothing simple with this car. Naza put into alot of effort to make this car a competetive model comparing with other high premium price make. For now, I'm just another proud owner of Naza Citra ll Rondo. happy.gif

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hey funny tone, congrats on the new car..

anyway thanks for the simpole review, however, please stretch a little bit by telling us all:

1) How's the fuel consumption like? How many cents per kilometer?

2) How's the radio/speaker? Any USB input? MP3? tongue.gif

3) As for the seats, yours is the 84k is it? I thought it's leather seat...

4) How's the cubby holes? A lot?

Thanks man... rclxms.gif



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Well, the FC is difficult to tell for a new car. When I picked it up, the trip meter showed 11.5L/100km which is quite alot. After a few days or travelling, it slowly went down until yesterday 10L/100km. This morning I took it for its first service change. Kia replaced the engine oil, the oil filter and the auto gear oil. So I suppose the Fc should improve more after the first change. We'll just have to wait and see. In other forum, got Rondo owner claim they manage to get 9L/100km, while another claim to reach 650km on a full tank (55L). To be fair, you'll just have to wait a few weeks before any reliable data is obtained for this fancy new car. happy.gif

The speaker doesn't have USB input or bluetooth. It does support MP3 as well as the normal CDs. One good thing to note here is that the CD player is fully imported and not assembled locally. The Rondo in the US and Australia version uses exactly the same model as the one in Malaysia. Another thing I like about the FM radio is that it autoseek the frequency of your favourite station in case you are driving between states and having to change the frequency often. Initially they claim the Rondo has 6 speakers, but I can only find 4. Dunno if the other two really exist or is hiding beneath the car. Sound quality is just so-so.

Seat is multi-meshed something. Its fabric and partially woven like nets. Both models (ex and exs) uses the same type of fabric.

You'll be delightfully surprised to see how many cubby holes they put into this car. Lets see....1 cubby hole for each door (4), 2 between the front row (4+2), another 2 under the airvent at the second row (4+2+2) and 1 in each side of the third row (4+2+2+2) for a total of 10 cubby holes!
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funnytone,

thanks for the feedback. really appreciate the input. As for myself, only saw this car once while onshore, thought it would be a great replacement for my kancil hehe. biggrin.gif

anyway, can you pm me the link in which you stated "other forums". I'd like to know more on this car.

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Congrats on your new car, FunnyTone and thanks for the review. thumbup.gif

I might have considered this if I didn't buy my MPV already.
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QUOTE(yoyoan @ Oct 7 2008, 01:28 AM)
funnytone,

thanks for the feedback. really appreciate the input. As for myself, only saw this car once while onshore, thought it would be a great replacement for my kancil hehe. biggrin.gif

anyway, can you pm me the link in which you stated "other forums". I'd like to know more on this car.

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No problem. Here's two links I found that shares the same discussion on Naza Rondo:

majalahkereta.com.my
www.autoworld.com.my
cbt.com.my
autoworld forum

QUOTE(sinclairZX81 @ Oct 7 2008, 02:08 AM)
Congrats on your new car, FunnyTone and thanks for the review.  thumbup.gif

I might have considered this if I didn't buy my MPV already.
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Thx, just sharing what I know with lyn community. What MPV did you bought? I'm guessing G.Livina? smile.gif
Anyway, its nice to see car buyers spoilt for choice in the MPV section. Coming soon Proton MPV entering the fray might spice the market more. Its obvious that each car maker has different style of making an ideal MPV, definitely comes with its own pros and cons. No use bad-mouthing one particular model. Even Chinaland Cherry has some good points from its car model. MPV ftw! thumbup.gif

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Haha, I bought Toyota Avanza, dunno can be called MPV or not. laugh.gif But very happy with it.

Hope you can show more photos of your car from the front and dashboard (daytime). icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yes, Avanza has strength in being economical and reliable. No surprising that Avanza is among the hottest selling model for a <2000cc class car.

Anyway, here's some pics of Rondo parked against a 1.6(A) G.Livina:

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I think for dashboard you can just check the links in my earlier post. A lot of reviews comes with photos of the interior. happy.gif
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funnytone thanks for your unbiased review. Someone who actually walked the talk and went out and bought one. I've seen one but only had a short test drive so far. Hope I can borrow one for a longer test drive soon. Hezeri from CBT was very happy and enthusiastic about the Rondo. The exterior and interior panel gap fit and finish is amazing. Lift up the carpet mats and check the floor carpet - TOTALLY FLAT!! How does it compare to Stream, Wish and Livina I wonder? I remember seeing a horribly puffy hill and valley type floor carpet on the previous Stream. The Rondo quality follows that of the Optima and Sportage which I've seen since last year. Excellent build quality which can better any Japanese make (including CBUs) being sold in Malaysia.
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congratz on ur new ride funnytone
wats the rpm reading when u travel more than 100km/h?

my avanza is around 4k at 110km/h and the engine is so damn loud
and not to mentioned the road noise as well
kinda regret as now got so many choices around the same price sleep.gif sad.gif
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Honestly, I never ride on an Avanza before. My previous car was Kelisa, so when changing to this Naza Rondo, its like the sky and the ground. I never complain about Kelisa before because never realised how noisy or bad it was. To me, that car was a savior. Now that I experience Rondo, only I realised the truth. tongue.gif

Turning on the ignition is effortless. 1 second is all it takes to rev up the engine to start. After that, the engine goes really silent without any vibration or noise. Its hard to tell if the car has started or not unless you rev the car. Sometimes its worrying to know the car is too silent. A few times I accidently turn the ignition key on without realising the car is already on ignition.

Anyway, I didn't take much notice about the RPM on the highway, too early to try out the car max speed before the first service. Although the time I went over 100kmph, the rpm stay within the 3000-3500 range. I did 140kmph that time.

As for the noise level, it was very quite. Let me put it this way. The time I did 140kmph, it was 10pm at night and my wife and children was sleeping at the 2nd+3rd row seat. I can clearly hear their snore. tongue.gif Don't take me wrong, my wife snore really soft type, not the ogre type. The Rondo interior really manage to insulate the noise outside very well. From inside, I could hear very little....just the sound of wind from the side mirror area and the road sound from the bottom of the car. Acceptable level for me.
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funnyTONE actually for the first 150km or so you shouldn't corner hard, especially on wet surfaces. That's the minimum required to bed-in the tyres. Goodyears are good touring tyres but if you want to step up in grip/safety try the Goodyear Eagle F1 Assymetric. These are VERY good!

Observe your tachometer to see if the rpms are 0 or idling at close to 1000rpm. Looking at your dashboard I notice you've bought the Rondo EX with manual A/C. The EXS has 6 speakers, steering wheel remote control, designer roof rack and 16" alloy wheels.

Equipped with this same engine, my friend has the new Optima EX premium with Infinity Audio (in dash 6CD changer, subwoofer, 420W amp and 6 speakers), ESP, TRC, Nappa leather + suede seats (powered drivers side), footwell lighting, real aluminium dash trim, gated sports shifter, etc. ... I really LIKE THIS CAR! I believe he's laughing about his fuel consumption. It's GOOD!
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Amazing observation dude. Yes, its an EX version. I would have chosen EXS if it comes with leather interior. $4k doesn't seem to justify enough the added accessories. Personally, I would prefer customize the accessories and bodykit myself someday.

ICE is the least of my priority. 4 speaker is sufficient for me, but thanks for pointing out that the EXS actually has 6. There ends the mystery. tongue.gif Most times, its my wife hogging the FM radio, and shes just content on the stock product. It'll be a waste to invest in a good ICE. Although, I am looking into installing a DVD touchscreen monitor to include GPS navigation. All in good time though.

The new Optima definitely lived up to its name this time. It should be in the same category as Camry and Accord don't you think? Anyway, hope to see more Rondo owner joining this thread to give better feedbacks.

Oh yes, regarding the tyres, so far its only been a couple of times I had to corner hard, and that was just to test the handling and grip But to me the breaking is what amazes me. Rondo is estimated to be around 1,590kg yet I can stop the car effortlessly and stable. Tyres also not really top of my list to change. Wait until its time to change a new one will I then consider your suggestion. Thx a heap!
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nice review there.. atleast reading a review of someone who has driven and tested the car is way better than listening to badge-bashing people here..

looks to be a nice car to drive.. hope you enjoy your new ride..

i want to comment at aarex statement about nautica.. that he said he would prefer to buy toyota rush rather than nautica, just try to test both cars.. u know there's a difference.. nautica feels better than rush.. dont buy a car because of the badge.. nautica made in japan.. rush made in indonesia.. which you prefer.. japan product or indonesia product..

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I've used Michelin Pilot Preceda (made in France) on my bro's old Civic and he also used to use Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3 on his Turbo BP TX3. The GSD3s were better, more grip, etc. and performed VERY well in the wet. On a turbo car you need it due to the sudden torque producing wheelspin in the wet - dangerous.

On the Optima EX high grade (aka Novus), the new one. The tyres are Michelin Pilot Primacy (made in France, not Thailand). These should be quite good too. But for now I would recommend the Eagle F1 GSD3 Assymetrico. This has a more MATURE tread pattern not the V type on the normal GSD3 so it will look subtle AND you can do tyre rotation.

My friend has good faith in the service and so far NO problems at all with his Optima. DAMN good, rock-solid and CHEAP!! His sister in law bought Civxx but the interior panel fit and finish was not so good compared to his. BTW yesterday I drove my colleagues Rondo EXS to lunch and back to test. It was in town so cannot really experience much. We got 11.5 litres/100km in town which is VERY GOOD for an MPV. I felt good - the interior was WIDE ... widest in its class I think but also a bit tough in narrow parking lots - BE CAREFUL. We then parked at KLCC just a few cars awar from a Livina. Honestly looking at the two I don't know why anyone would want to pay more and get less with the Livina. The Rondo is a global model (as opposed to the Asian only type Livina) with NHSTA and EURO NCAP 5 and 4 stars respectively. Combined with the Mitsubishi/Hyundai-Kia/CHrysler GEMA 2.0L engine, etc. this is a sure eye-opener to the Japs.

OK enough for now I sound like a salesman! cool2.gif But I just want to post a counterpoint to all the bad mouthers who haven't even done any research.
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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Oct 9 2008, 11:52 AM)
Amazing observation dude. Yes, its an EX version. I would have chosen EXS if it comes with leather interior. $4k doesn't seem to justify enough the added accessories. Personally, I would prefer customize the accessories and bodykit myself someday.

ICE is the least of my priority. 4 speaker is sufficient for me, but thanks for pointing out that the EXS actually has 6. There ends the mystery. tongue.gif Most times, its my wife hogging the FM radio, and shes just content on the stock product. It'll be a waste to invest in a good ICE. Although, I am looking into installing a DVD touchscreen monitor to include GPS navigation. All in good time though.

The new Optima definitely lived up to its name this time. It should be in the same category as Camry and Accord don't you think? Anyway, hope to see more Rondo owner joining this thread to give better feedbacks.

Oh yes, regarding the tyres, so far its only been a couple of times I had to corner hard, and that was just to test the handling and grip But to me the breaking is what amazes me. Rondo is estimated to be around 1,590kg yet I can stop the car effortlessly and stable. Tyres also not really top of my list to change. Wait until its time to change a new one will I then consider your suggestion. Thx a heap!
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After my first service a week ago, the FC stayed at 10L/100KM. Means 1L every 10KM or $2.45 per 10KM, or 25 cent each 1KM. Hope to see the FC go down further to 9L/100KM. To be honest, I don't think Kia focus much on the FC part for this model, but more on its safety, hence the extra weight, the engine power which is 2000cc and bigger cabin space, hence the extra width and height of the car. In any case, the pros outweight the cons and I don't intend to use this car for daily uses except for long distance travelling or monthly shopping spree.
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bro... tks for yr info on the FC.... at the moment considering compact MPV for family. tks alot smile.gif
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The FC is really good for a car of this size, weight and engine capacity thanks to its DOHC CVVT engine. Read back in this discussion for more info.


Added on October 21, 2008, 12:47 pmBro funnyTONE any further updates on your RONDO?

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Heh, I've rarely visit LYN these days. Mostly, I hangout at autoworld.com.my. Met with a few Rondo owner from Muar. happy.gif

Few days ago brought 5 friends into my car. Alot of praises for this car. They said the dashboard looks very savvy. Also the door shut sounds very solid. The 3rd row surprisingly can fit my 2 male friends, one who is 1.8m height.

Got response from my salesman Naza JB already sold 5 Rondo this month. happy.gif
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Korean also based on Mitsu engine at their early involvement....wonder why ???? Proton .....Hyundai .....Kia.....Chery.....Mitsu technology ....hu hu....now its Naza....brings this Naza Rondo....( what a Rondo.... ) ....anyway ...still overprice.......dashboard design .......NMT....sorry ....
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Saw Rondo in Giant Puchong today. Black color, solid, better than Citra. Nice dashboard but lamps a bit old fashion. Not sure how's the performance coz cannot test drive.

This MPV below looks better, saw it in the newpaper ad last week and now got people talking about it here, Chery MPV.

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Wanted to get an Avanza but many people tell me high fuel consumption and no power (1.5 oni mah).

Thanks for sharing your link Enigma. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/825342 You seem to like your new Chery very much. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ATIguy @ Oct 25 2008, 10:37 PM)
Saw Rondo in Giant Puchong today. Black color, solid, better than Citra. Nice dashboard but lamps a bit old fashion. Not sure how's the performance coz cannot test drive.

This MPV below looks better, saw it in the newpaper ad last week and now got people talking about it here, Chery MPV.

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Wanted to get an Avanza but many people tell me high fuel consumption and no power (1.5 oni mah).

Thanks for sharing your link Enigma. http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/825342 You seem to like your new Chery very much. tongue.gif
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get naza better if compare to chery

1st chery if leceh then the spare part those will hard to find
2nd i heard my fren who work in china say the china sell in china very very cheap
so the quality of china car is lousy
3rd many people scare of china brand tongue.gif so less people buy=less people will bring china spare part come in
but it use 2.4 mitsubishi engine flex.gif wonder if real 1...or put mitsu logo and say use mitsu engine

Why less people buy chery compare to naza rondo??
because chery is made by china so people heard china scare

if buy naza

1st no scare of lacks spare part
2nd outlook lost to chery but no worry
3rd power is ok...because only 8xk but if can use 2.4 will be better but i dont think is possible for this pricing

so

outlook=chery
power=if chery really is 2.4 100% made by mitsu then will be chery
reliable=naza because spare part easier to find
2nd value=i think will be naza
fc=still dont know yet

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I did check out cherry before buying naza rondo. Sorry, but even the brochure looks amateur. From the outside, looks nice enough, but interior is so-so. All I can say is that Cherry has simply no taste and no originality. The front copy from audi, light also looks like gen2, inside looks like a merc wannabe. sleep.gif
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Bear Bear,

Please dun rely on OTHER people words to form your opinions. Find out for yourself. icon_idea.gif I was skeptical of China cars too before I went to see the Chery. But what I saw blown me away.

See my review here: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/803752/+20

and see Enigma4646 review here (he's very technical): http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/825342

And before that, I've test drove Avanza and Grand Livina, also saw Rush, Citra and Rondo (all below RM90k MPV).

See my comparison:

CHERY EASTAR rclxms.gif
Engine: Mitsubishi 2.4L SOHC 16V
Max Power: 95kw@5500rpm
Max Torque: 198Nm@3000rpm (the best compare to others!!) thumbup.gif
Min Turning Radius: 6m

TOYOTA AVANZA
Engine: Toyota 1.5 DOHC 16V
Max Power: 80kw@6000rpm
Max Torque: 141Nm@4400rpm
Min Turning Radius: 4.7m

TOYOTA RUSH
Engine: Toyota 1.5 DOHC 16V
Max Power: 80kw@6000rpm
Max Torque: 141Nm@4400rpm
Min Turning Radius: 5.2m

NISSAN GRAND LIVINA
Engine: Nissan 1.8L DOHC 16V
Max Power: 93kw@5200rpm
Max Torque: 174Nm@4800rpm
Min Turning Radius: 5.2m

Also, Chery Eastar MPV has Steptronic Transmission, Dual Air Bags, ABS, EBD, CD + MP3 player with USB, Dual Tone Horn, Beautiful LED Rear Lights & etc.
It has the widest body compare to the others above. That means good comfort for passengers. icon_idea.gif

As for Mitshubishi 4G64 2.4L engine, do you honestly think a car manufacturer can simply claim anything and JPJ will approve? doh.gif This car is officiated by our DPM Najib and assembled by Oriental Honda in JB. They will have their own big factory in Pekan, Pahang soon. Most of all, I've felt the power of it's Mitsubishi 4G64 2.4L engine myself, and I can tell you, this monster roar whether on the highway or climbing Genting!! flex.gif

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hope that we can keep this thread clean. discussion should focus on rondo to benefit current and future owners.

no car is perfect, else others will close shop. each has pros and cons, and everybody has different acceptance level to the pros and cons. there will not be 'the best' car around for everybody.

so just pick one that u can accept most, and enjoy it.


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Here is a comparison test between the Kia Rondo / Honda Stream and Mazda 5 test published by Cars, Bikes and Trucks recently

http://cbt.com.my/test-drive-sec/cat-compa...-kia-rondo.html
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add abt 10k for an toyota estima man.....hahaha
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estima second boleh la.....
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QUOTE(momoOK @ Nov 10 2008, 09:39 AM)

Here is a comparison test between the Kia Rondo / Honda Stream and Mazda 5 test published by Cars, Bikes and Trucks recently

http://cbt.com.my/test-drive-sec/cat-compa...-kia-rondo.html
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No doubt Rondo is the best value for money MPV below RM100k. Being personally assessed all the sub-RM100k MPV from Japanese, Korean and Chinese makers, Rondo has the best interior fitting and specifications. Some might not agree here, but this is just my findings and hope that I can afford one next year thumbup.gif (if Proton MPV is not better than this)

Cheers...

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Oct 7 2008, 12:37 AM)
Well, the FC is difficult to tell for a new car. When I picked it up, the trip meter showed 11.5L/100km which is quite alot. After a few days or travelling, it slowly went down until yesterday 10L/100km. This morning I took it for its first service change. Kia replaced the engine oil, the oil filter and the auto gear oil. So I suppose the Fc should improve more after the first change. We'll just have to wait and see. In other forum, got Rondo owner claim they manage to get 9L/100km, while another claim to reach 650km on a full tank (55L). To be fair, you'll just have to wait a few weeks before any reliable data is obtained for this fancy new car. happy.gif

The speaker doesn't have USB input or bluetooth. It does support MP3 as well as the normal CDs. One good thing to note here is that the CD player is fully imported and not assembled locally. The Rondo in the US and Australia version uses exactly the same model as the one in Malaysia. Another thing I like about the FM radio is that it autoseek the frequency of your favourite station in case you are driving between states and having to change the frequency often. Initially they claim the Rondo has 6 speakers, but I can only find 4. Dunno if the other two really exist or is hiding beneath the car. Sound quality is just so-so.

Seat is multi-meshed something. Its fabric and partially woven like nets. Both models (ex and exs) uses the same type of fabric.

You'll be delightfully surprised to see how many cubby holes they put into this car. Lets see....1 cubby hole for each door (4), 2 between the front row (4+2), another 2 under the airvent at the second row (4+2+2) and 1 in each side of the third row (4+2+2+2) for a total of 10 cubby holes!
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Hi,i m from singapore.Driving the same MPV as u,here we call it as Carens CUV.
Singapore launch this CUV in Jan 2007.I've been driving this car for nearly a year.
I read thru your review & fully agree with u especially the quietness of the car.
One more thing i would add is the air-con is very powerful & efficient.
I ever try till 170km/hr but only a short while cos scare kenna caught.It still can go higher speed cos accelerator havent step all the way down.
Overall is a good car.Could not find any fault on it.
U made the right choice.Enjoy your car.



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QUOTE(sktan10 @ Nov 16 2008, 08:40 PM)
Hi,i m from singapore.Driving the same MPV as u,here we call it as Carens CUV.
Singapore launch this CUV in Jan 2007.I've been driving this car for nearly a year.
I read thru your review & fully agree with u especially the quietness of the car.
One more thing i would add is the air-con is very powerful & efficient.
I ever try till 170km/hr but only a short while cos scare kenna caught.It still can go higher speed cos accelerator havent step all the way down.
Overall is a good car.Could not find any fault on it.
U made the right choice.Enjoy your car.
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hi, mind to share the fuel consumption? especially city driving in singapore?

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hi, mind to share the fuel consumption? especially city driving in singapore?
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Hi,bro!
Mine best FC is 10.3km/l & worse is 8.5km/l in singapore road with fully air-con ON.
Average is between 9 to 9.3km/l.
I would said quite reasonable for a 2.0cc mpv.
Even my colleage stream 1.8cc best FC is at 12km/l only.
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finally, i ve found this forum that really honest and non biased. thanks guys. so, here is my situation:

ive been having a 3g city IDSI very for more than 5 years. so far i enjoyed the ride except that when i first bought it my family was pretty small...(me, wifey and the eldest) but now as my family member are 6.... i guess it is time for me to start looking at the mpv choice.. My prayer somehow got answered... i really like rondo. In fact i ve test drive the car twice and i really loved it. My questions are
1. rondo is using CVT drivetrain , thus can someone tell me whether naza has specific CVT oil for the drivetrain... based on my experience with CITY, a lot of owners use normal automatic transmission oil that leads to the gearbox damage ... this CVT oil is mandatory to ensure the longevity and durability of the gearbox
2. When i went to the showroom, the boss failed to confirm the duration for the warranty period... anyone can confirm the duration?
3. According the net, there is another version sold in the US, that is the V6 version, Is there any chance that this version might reach our shores too?

All in all, i think naza has got a winner with this car... it is comfy, well kitted, and price is cheaper than any other indonesian made MPV.. I am willing to overlook the fact that it is a kia duplicate model as long as it gives values for money.. TO certain extent the build quality is better than my CITY. I know because i learn to accept that every car has its flaws but for rondo i think it is FLAWLESS...
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excellent choice funnytone thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(awestone @ Nov 19 2008, 09:51 PM)
finally, i ve found this forum that really honest and non biased. thanks guys. so, here is my situation:

ive been having a 3g city IDSI very for more than 5 years. so far i enjoyed the ride except that when i first bought it my family was pretty small...(me, wifey and the eldest) but now as my family member are 6.... i guess it is time for me to start looking at the mpv choice.. My prayer somehow got answered... i really like rondo. In fact i ve test drive the car twice and i really loved it. My questions are
1. rondo is using CVT drivetrain , thus can someone tell me whether naza has specific CVT oil for the drivetrain... based on my experience with CITY, a lot of owners use normal automatic transmission oil that leads to the gearbox damage ... this CVT oil is mandatory to ensure the longevity and durability of the gearbox
2. When i went to the showroom, the boss failed to confirm the duration for the warranty period... anyone can confirm the duration?
3. According the net, there is another version sold in the US, that is the V6 version, Is there any chance that this version might reach our shores too?

All in all, i think naza has got a winner with this car... it is comfy, well kitted, and price is cheaper than any other indonesian made MPV.. I am willing to overlook the fact that it is a kia duplicate model as long as it gives values for money.. TO certain extent the build quality is better than my CITY. I know because i learn to accept that every car has its flaws but for rondo i think it is FLAWLESS...
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answers to your questions:
1) not cvt, but conventional 4 speed gb. it's cvvt, which means continuous variable valve timing
2) not sure, is it 5 years?
3) don't think so


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thanks atah for the reply.now at least i know that it doesnt use the cvt gb coz it would be a hassle. as for the period for the warranty mybe funnytone could help since he already bought rondo. what say you?


Added on December 6, 2008, 7:01 pmthis car has really made me gone nuts. im totally in love with this car. can you imagine this
1. test drive the car for 3 times from three different agents
2. went to the showroom for countless times
3. downloading every single rondo image from the net
4. saw the bodykits from nz galaxy and my..... it is beautiful what can i can say more

now, A DECISION HAS BEEN MADE!!!!

will put my signature on the dotted line once i sell of my current bike and once the rondo comes out with the accessories.


Added on December 6, 2008, 7:03 pmthis car has really made me gone nuts. im totally in love with this car. can you imagine this
1. test drive the car for 3 times from three different agents
2. went to the showroom for countless times
3. downloading every single rondo image from the net
4. saw the bodykits from nz galaxy and my..... it is beautiful what can i can say more

now, A DECISION HAS BEEN MADE!!!!

will put my signature on the dotted line once i sell of my current bike and once the rondo comes out with the accessories.



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awestone,

what's the best offer now? any discounts or free gifts?

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QUOTE(atah @ Dec 7 2008, 11:32 AM)
awestone,

what's the best offer now? any discounts or free gifts?
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according to funnytone, if we buy the car before of march, we gonna get the rm625 fuel rebate. as for the insurance, if you already have your55% NCD, you be refunded an amount of about 1k for the insurance. all in all, as in my case i alr4eady have my money to tint the car. As for the bodykit, it is officially out but the asking price is too high, 3k over for the bodykit. i might wait for the cheaper alternative from others
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Great FIRST-HAND reviews. This are what all car reviews should be and not just some baseless bashing.

I dont think ppl should make their opinions based on reading the brochures or what's available online. They should get one or at least go to the showroom check out/feel everythings and if possible test drive it first to get the proper impression.

Anyway, Im in the mid of looking for another car having paid in full my trusty Perodua recently.

As the family is expanding my choice is definitely an MPV however a mini version will do as I don't like big car like Innova, Ria etc.

It is now down to either Rondo and Rush. I've gone to both showrooms many, many times. Talk to the sellers and owners as well as check forums and websites in order to make an informed decision.

Both have pros and cons -- I loved both cars' pros so that y it is really hard to choose.

Having said that, since I just fully paid my car's installment I will be taking my time to purchase it. Coz I just want to enjoy a free-car installment month for at least a few more months.

Coming soon more models will come in which surely make it more difficult to decide but its ok. The more the merrier. I will just hv to pick the best (in my opinion) among them.

Anyway, today there is a nice article in The Star rgdg the MPV situation in Malaysia.

http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...00&sec=business

NEW CARS AMID SLOWDOWN

By EUGENE MAHALINGAM


PEOPLE looking to buy cars this year have a lot to look forward to as a slew of local automotive players will launch new or variant models this quarter (Q1).

Ushering in the new year will be Edaran Tan Chong Motor Sdn Bhd, which will launch the Nissan Grand Livina tuned by Impul today.

Impul is a well-known Japanese after-market tuning house.

First quarter will also see the launch of Proton Holdings Bhd’s multi-purpose vehicle (MPV) while Nasim Sdn Bhd, the franchise holder for Peugeot vehicles in Malaysia, will be unveiling two variants of its Peugeot 308, namely the 308 VTi and 308 Turbo.

The premium segment will also see the launch of a new BMW 7-Series from BMW Malaysia Sdn Bhd (this month) and the Volvo XC90 D5 (diesel) SUV (sports utility vehicle) from Volvo Car Malaysia Sdn Bhd.

The new Volvo XC90, which is expected to complement an existing petrol version, is said to be cleaner, more fuel-efficient and more powerful than the latter, according to industry observers.

However, with the current economic slowdown and weaker consumer sentiment, the question that arises is whether the timing is right to launch a new vehicle.

An analyst from a local research house said launching models early in the year would be beneficial for auto players and the automotive industry as a whole.

“Having launches in the first quarter would actually be good timing because it would cushion the decline in total industry volume later in the year. It is also a good marketing strategy – the first to launch will be the first to receive bookings,” he said when contacted.

He noted that the Proton MPV was a highly anticipated vehicle and launching it early in the year would serve as a buffer for the slowdown in sales of Proton’s previously launched models.

On the industry outlook, he expected total industry volume (TIV) to contract by 17% this year.

Despite the weaker economic climate, OSK Research motor analyst Ahmad Maghfur Usman said there would always be people who wanted to buy or change their cars, adding that there was also a lot of people who were looking forward to the Proton MPV.

“There are many people who are keen on MPVs, especially for the Nissan Grand Livina and Toyota Avanza. But a lot of them are holding back on their purchase because they want to see what Proton has to offer.”

He added that the MPV would be well worth the wait.

“I have seen a closed-door presentation by Proton on its MPV and it looks quite appealing,” Ahmad Maghfur said.

Another analyst from a local bank-backed brokerage said there was no right or wrong time to introduce a car into a market once a launch date had been decided.

“Proton, for instance, has been talking about its MPV for a while now and it would have obviously put in a lot of cost in preparation for the launch. To pull back now just because the timing is not right would not be feasible,” she said.

On the launch of the BMW 7-Series or the Volvo XC90, she said: “Considering its target market, I don’t think the time to launch would really matter.”

She added that auto companies also needed to launch their cars to maintain market share.

“If they hold off just because times are bad, customers who are looking to buy cars will switch to other brands to get the latest models, which will result in a dip in market share.”

The analyst forecasts TIV to contract as much as 30% this year, with consumer confidence being the main dampener to car sales.

“People in Malaysia still have money and unlike in other countries, our unemployment rate is still very low. They are just adopting a wait-and-see approach now and are cautious about their spending,” she said.

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this willbe off topic a bit... but i was just wondering hmm.gif hmm.gif whether has somebody come up with the rondo car club/ forum here in malaysia coz i think there should be one now as it be the place where the owner and potential owner can converge and talk about their cars
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Good idea awestone. Top of my head, I'd say Kevin would be a good know-it-all person to be the club president. hehehe...

Or perhaps Rondo could join up with the existing Citra club. hmm...
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As I mentioned last Jan, was looking for an MPV and... still looking. Actually, Im waiting for the Exora to come out first b4 deciding. But, right now Rondo still on the top of my list.

I've read in another forum, the 2009 model hv many minor changes. Dunno whether its bad or good. Hope they will not change Rondo too much (especially if it was done to save on cost).

The only other two things that I would like see are price reduction and better interest rate. Afterall, Exora is already priced below RM80k.

For now, Im enjoying a free monthly-car-installment period after finished paying for my car last Dec.
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Hi all,
I just bought Rondo EXS last week. I'm quite happy with this car but the sad thing that I just discovered is the model that I got is 2009 which they have removed two features (noticed so far). One is adjustable roof rack and the second is the rear ashtray & cupholder which were not included.

I'm still searching what the others features that is not included.

I feel has been fooled by Naza as they have neither mention about the 2009 model nor formal announcement about the released.
Even their brochures and internet still promoting their 2008 model.

I'm still fighting for the model that complete with these features because I think have a right to get it.

I'm really not happy with this also don't understand they do this at the time sales of car is not in good condition.

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Hope this will explain everything.

Sourced from Autoworld forum

REMOVED ITEMS (previously were in the 2008 version and not available in the 2009 model)
Driver's foot rest
Central locking button on the front passenger door
Front passenger seat under-tray
Rubber mat lining the tray directly under the cigarette lighter
Rear cupholders and ashtray located below the 2nd row air-cond vents
2nd row centre arm rest
Covers for side storage compartments above the rear wheel wells (where 3rd row passengers rest their arms)
ECU cover


CHANGED ITEMS
Front headrest tilting function removed (2009 Rondos will only have front headrests that move up and down)
Cigarette lighter no longer lit
There are 2 horns on the Rondo, one behind the front bumper and the other somewhere else (not disclosing here as thieves would then know where to find the 2nd horn). This other horn has been relocated to save on wiring.
2nd row bench now a single piece item instead of a 2-piece. 2nd row seat backrests maintain their 60:40 split.
On the EXS, the steering wheel audio controls for volume will NOT be illuminated (the 3 buttons for MODE and selection will continue to be lit)
On the EXS, the roof rack has been changed to a simpler design similar to Citra I (with no cross bars)
1 rubber seal in the engine bay has been reduced in size
Wiring harness for the audio system has been changed
Frame holding the 2 DIN head unit has been changed to allow for a 1 DIN aftermarket fitment. There is no indication that a 1 DIN after-market head unit will be offered so I believe that this change was done to make it easier for owners to use 1 DIN head units if they decide to change.
Titanium Silver replaces Urban Grey, Tomato Red replaces Volcanic Red, another silver replaces Fine Silver. All new colours appear very similar to existing colours.

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May I know what does it mean with this '2nd row bench now a single piece item instead of a 2-piece'.

thanks
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If not mistaken instead of two-piece seat where u can fold down individually, the manufacturer replaced that with a single type. Now, u either fold down or unfold the whole thing. But to confirm this, I will try to go to the showroom today after work.
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Juztea, now I know what is that mean. If I want to adjust the 2nd row seat forward or backward, I have to move the whole seat means got no choice to split it up into two except for the backrest. Centre armrest has been removed as well. Aisey.....too many setback for their item and features lah. They should retain all of things....seems buyers like me has been cheated without knowing everything been removed.
Juztea you need to think twice, looks like exora much prettier based on the picture lah.
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Yup, i noticed those (the Exora's split 2nd row seat as well as the neat seatbelt storages) too. Frankly speaking, Im drooling just by looking at the picture. But again, can't trust the pix alone, will need to see the real thing first so Im reserving any thot on that matter till then.

Btw, I didnt manage to go to the Naza showroom today, too many other things that I must do. Hopefully, will b able to do it tmrw coz like u I found all these "downgrades" in the new Rondo to be really depressing. Still, need to see the changes myself b4 deciding.
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macam not feeling gud 4 me..
80K++??
how many CC wor..

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QUOTE(Juztea @ Mar 20 2009, 12:01 AM)
Yup, i noticed those (the Exora's split 2nd row seat as well as the neat seatbelt storages) too. Frankly speaking, Im drooling just by looking at the picture. But again, can't trust the pix alone, will need to see the real thing first so Im reserving any thot on that matter till then.

Btw, I didnt manage to go to the Naza showroom today, too many other things that I must do. Hopefully, will b able to do it tmrw coz like u I found all these "downgrades" in the new Rondo to be really depressing. Still, need to see the changes myself b4 deciding.
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When other carmakers are 'upgrading' for their cars, guess what Naza is doing..
Well, Juztea..I think it's worth looking at the Exora before u sacrifice your hard earned cash~ icon_rolleyes.gif
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Yup, I agreed.

That's y I said earlier, will wait for the Exora to come out first and test drive to get the feel.

However, having said that I will not go for the first batch knowing most if not all buyers of first batch's cars are actually the guinea pig for the model. Problems will crop up and only iron out in latter batches.

Im very patient smile.gif and will also wait for the proper reviews from actual owners (and not rely solely on reviews by paid-reviewers published on online and offline car magazines) before making my decision.

 

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