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 Valum ram vs performance ram, effect on overclocking the FSB

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zer0hour
post Sep 9 2008, 06:55 PM

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Sigh ok looks like time for a technical explanation.
Intel processor speed is a function of two things:
1. Front Side Bus (FSB) speed
2. Clock multiplier.

Intel quoted FSB numbers are quad pumped, thus to derive the actual FSB speed of your processor, you need to divide by 4.

Non Extreme Edition processors have their clock multiplier locked, so overclocking is achieved by increasing the processor FSB.

Now very important: The lowest speed you can run your RAM is 1:1 with the FSB. (I think so, has anyone seen 0.9:1 divider?)

Every processor model is different. For example, your E4600 has FSB800/4 = FSB200. Thus at stock, your RAM is at DDR2-400 (DDR is double pumped), as Goldfries has explained. Thus you have a lot of headroom, as your RAM can reach DDR2-800, or FSB400. Your processor will not reach 12x400.

Now, your question. Performance RAM is used for processors that have higher stock FSBs or lower multipliers. As an example, I'm using a q9300 that is native 333x7.5. Now i know that my chip can reach 3.5Ghz, but to get there I would need 467FSB = DDR2-934. Your RAM would not be able to reach that, thus I need to use DDR2-1066.

Also, performance RAM has tighter timings. Typically ValueRAM has latencies of 5-5-5-18 ot 5-5-5-15. Performance RAM can go to 4-4-4-12 or better.

This post has been edited by zer0hour: Sep 9 2008, 06:56 PM
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post Sep 9 2008, 08:15 PM

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Aha yeah true, but those are the exceptions to the rule =p
I've seen cheap HP RAM using Micron D9s too..
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post Sep 15 2008, 11:33 PM

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Yup I'd like to know why you say that too.
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post Sep 17 2008, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(boon.fong @ Sep 17 2008, 11:10 AM)
Hi All, currently i managed to get my proc oced to 2.88ghz (320 x9). So is there any different if i set my memory to 1:1 which is (640mhz) or as close to 800mhz as possible. In the bios i can set beyond 800mhz, if i set it will it overload my ram.

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Set your memory to as close to 800 as possible if you're going to stop at 320x9. If you're going to overclock further, leave it at 1:1 first.
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post Sep 18 2008, 12:16 AM

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Hmm those temps are a bit too hot for the Hyper 212. According to this chart it only loses to the CCF by 20%..so should be cooler. My QX@4.2Ghz loads at 60ish C.

I'd say reseat HSF or lapping time.

http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?...eid=2271&page=5

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post Sep 22 2008, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(michealelsie @ Sep 22 2008, 02:37 PM)
hmm, i would like to ask some help from u all here.

Currently i am running this rig:

Intel E2160 M0 rev
Gigabyte 965P DS3 rev3.3 F12
TEAM Elite DDR800 2x1GB

I tired to OC my system @ 9x400 and CPU:RAM ratio = 1:1 @ stock Vcore and Vdimm, it failed me at any timing also.

Then, i tried to lower my RAM speed to 9x350, CPU:RAM ratio remained 1:1, Vcore and Vdimm remained stock, it still failed me.

After that, I tried to increase the Vcore +0.1V and Vdimm +0.1V, it still failed me.

Then, I tried to lower my RAM speed to 9x320, CPU:RAM ratio remained 1:1, Vcore and Vdimm remained stock, finally succeed.

However, my system seems like unstable. Means within 1-2 days, my PC will auto restart itself without any sign. I had checked the temperature using Core Temp, seems like No problem (32-36C)

So, till now, i am still running my rig @ stock speed and stock Voltage.

I don't know why my CPU cant go further. Is it my CPU FSB wall hold me back? or my motherboard? If it is really the CPU FSB wall problem, should I go for BSEL mod? worth it?

Hope I can get some help here. Any help will be appreciate. Thank you.
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You're going too fast. To ensure maximum system stability what you should do is increase FSB in 5 or 10Mhz increments at a time.
Now you probably need more Vcore like Icemocha said. Go back to 9x320 but increase Vcore by +0.1. Run IBT 10 loops to test if stable. If pass, increase FSB by 10Mhz, run IBT, repeat.
If at any time you fail IBT, increase Vcore +0.1.

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