Ok, as now the loot has started coming through in WOTLK. And with it, spell power.

Was looking through the loot from Naxx. Say for healers, which one would you pick? Spellpower + Spirit or Spellpower + MP5? And same for DPS. Which item would you pick and why?

spellpower and spirit for pvp,bg and spellpower mp5 for raids.

i lol'ed.

MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, if you got the spirit trinket, spirit staff, and a drood to innervate ur priestly ass.

but other than that, lololollo

+0 spirit for PvP, and +spirit for PvE is what I'm going for my mage.

hey we get tired in bg u know, its not fun to be always sitting down on our ass,consuming while the rest of the casters gets on with the baddies, also fighting druids and healers are hard as we use a whole lot of mana.

seen DGFG vs happyminti's team mirror RPD on tourney?

pop trinket > swap staff > innervate = ~10k++ mana reset.

lol 30-40minute match on offline LAN tournaments

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Added on September 8, 2008, 2:33 pmand BG is be all end all pvp right? its call zerg, so use it.

not sure if you've realized this, but ANY decent post 1600-1800 arena players entering BG = cake walk. its basically child's play. arenas are where the big boys play.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 8 2008, 02:33 PM

quazacolt i challenge u to a 1 on 1 fight!

No I havent got internet for the pass 9 days already Just shifted.

What are the teams' setup like? The druid innervated the mage? lol

US Stormscale server Horde side Cyclone BG, feel free. or the incoming patch 3.0 PTR.

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...ale&n=Quazacolt

^
me

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Added on September 8, 2008, 3:20 pmnah was a priest.
both teams running RPD as mentioned (rogue priest druid)

thanks to stupid mana reset, and only 1 dps (well, both druid's dreamstate and CAN dps, same with priest smite/holyfire/MB>SWD combos, but you get the idea)
30-40minute PER GAME on OFFLINE LAN tourney, is totally boring, that and its at like 3-4AM in the morning watching LIVE stream. i was nodding off minus the clutch moments and/or going in for a kill (offensive cyclone a target sub 50% hp, rogue whack, priest already casting hfire > MB > SWD and druid starfire > moonfire for a gg)

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 8 2008, 03:20 PM

rl fight?

dont mind rl fight too lulz

will they be live stream?

Another thread turn into PVP thread. LOL

prolly not

that is no fun :/

As far as healing priests and resto druids are concerned, spirit is better for both PvP and PvE, including arena.

not really. unless my exception above with innervate, and ONLY innervate.

think bout this, avg priest in arena gear, have around 220-240 spirit WITH DS, if enemy team can strip your buff, you wont even have DS. how much spirit ur left?

druids, WORSE
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...cale&n=Solishne
135 spirit

somemore thats assuming you can even use spirit regen while ur almost constantly spamming spells/GCD burning. the only time spirit would excel over mp5 is drinking, and any competant team would prevent that as much as they could (even in tourneys, you can rarely see teams drinking with so much preasure being applied and even if a drink occurs, it doesnt last long)

and with mp5, the need to even drink can be either prevented, or further delayed.

in a nutshell, minus a few exceptions here n there, leave spirit outta pvp. its always been that way, and will remain that way until something drastic changes.

how bout this...

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.x...rne&n=Holyrelic

900++ mana regen? but of coz he's buffed...

the last seen was 700++ unbuff...

was he the best i've seen or got some1 better than him...??

you wanna see how fast i can tear up a 0 resil, 9.3k hp BUFFED, no pain suppression priest up?

again, leave spirit to pve, theres no room for spirit in pvp minus a few exceptions that ive mentioned.

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p/s: that guy got DAMN NICE healings for a spirit focused priest. of course hes buffed and all, but still 2.6k heals with so much regen/spirit is still a damn good feat.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 9 2008, 11:32 AM

nah... i was referring to his pve not pvp...

its obvious his gears & specs are meant for pve...

seriously this guy was best i've seen so far with those stats he got...

was drooling over his mana regen > healing bonus > spell dmg...

wat an oomless priest would be with spam heals... lol

Not going to argue with you. The math has been done, in both AJ, EJ and regular forums. Spirit is superior in nearly all arena situations except sub-minute bursts.

yea 10 ticks and hes full mana LOL!

if he innervate... lolwut mana

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Added on September 9, 2008, 12:20 pmso ur saying math/theory craft > actual pvp situations? lol

refer sk-100, and look only their priest/druid. only a SMALL fraction gem spirit, provided theres people even going spirit.
and thats usually ONLY their purple 11 heals + spirit gem, and that only.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 9 2008, 12:20 PM

so for pvp no need spirit? damn my friends all lied to me...they told me they pvp better when drunk.....

by the way how fast can you tear a 0 resi priest up? 1 secs?
was the priest standing still?
was he sap?
u back stab him?

i dont know about spirit viability in pvp.. but as far as i am concerned.. spirit is like the most unused stat in game...

my hemo/GS can crit up to 2.5k++ on his 0 armor 0 resil body. 9.3k HP buffed. and the ammount of hemo/GS i can spam.

you do the math.
sub 10seconds should be able to finish the job

oh and he cant fear me too as i got WOTF + pvp trinket + CLOS
so he cant even delay the killing.

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Added on September 9, 2008, 3:19 pmmost LEAST used stats, perhaps. however if you refer to the armory ch@ich@i linked, you'll understand how powerful spirit can be when properly used.

900 mana/tick = ~10 ticks 0-100% mana
that itself is GODLIKE now matter how you think of it.

the only thing is that in pvp that said priest will be gibbed and dead healers cant heal. (or regen mana, for that matter)

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Sep 9 2008, 03:19 PM

Hmm.....post patch 2.4, I know alot of Sunwell priest raiders switch to +spirit gems instead of the +heals one. Not sure if they are still doing as such.

sigh @ kiljaeden kills...

im not hoping to step into sunwell .. just hope that we can at least get to illidan before xpac.. nowadays people tend to get lazy and chill off to wait for the xpac.. while some of us wanna push to illidan before xpac...

in jubeithos 2 days ago there was a pug illidian
every 1 cbf to even go for that....sadly they had to call it off

We're buying BT and Hyjal IDs. And those same ppl who bought them, we offer 1-2 spots for them to learn the bosses and loot that no one else wants.

Sounds like energy and rage to me, only not as good.

Sigh being a mana user is just so sad. But they're putting in unlimited mana pots for arenas and BGs. Hope it helps lol.

whatttt resetting over 10k+ mana in arenas is "not as good", what are you smoking LOL

lol... really.. resetting those mana isnt a good idea in arena.. hahaha

What I meant was, we don't have unlimited energy/rage and there's no such thing as "Drain Energy/rage" or "Energy Burn/rage". And the mana replenish skills have long CDs and easily interupted.. ok more like only Evoc

And we gotta drink, if a pet's on you then forget about it..

etc
etc

The point of being a mana class is that.. you're quite powerful with mana but shite if your mana is 0. In WoW, you're just as good as other classes but still shite when your mana is 0.

Kk I'm a mage and as usual, mages whine a lot. You can disregard anything i said above

mages have their issues, thats a known fact. well, just *MAYBE*, they wont be so bad if warlocks are so f***ing good (DESPITE being an ez train target in 3v3/5v5 against cleave teams)

lifetap, then drain life, and lol pet having mage's 17 pt talent.

Khelben, why does mage whines a lot?

bcoz they have some of the best skills/talent points and they want to be the pew pew masters of the game

hmm i might wanna roll a mage then

if this thread is pointed to any healer type, i can say spirit is useless for pvp because paladin does not require spirit and they need crit and mp5 instead of spirit so i'm kinda agree with quazacolt, pvp does not require spirit instead of mp5.

btw my paladin go for crit instead of mp5 in pvp actually lol cause FOL and holy shock crit save 1 heal.

example:
normal FOL is 1.5k and if crit can go up 3k = 2 heal saved 1.5sec casting