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mikapoh
post Sep 6 2008, 10:37 PM

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Hey sifus,

I just now went past Panny Plasma Fair & I am surprised that Panny HD ready PV-8 model displayed such a high detailed PQ. When I asked the salesman what source he feeded the tv, he says it uses panny bluray player.

To all the sifus, does this HD ready tv support 1080p signal ?? Its picture quality is much improved compare to normal dvd play. During this promotion, they are selling the panny BD player at RM2499 which I taught is a best buy at the moment. What is your expert's opinion?
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post Sep 8 2008, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(99below0 @ Sep 8 2008, 03:08 PM)
I'd be happy if Astro can deliver a low-compression 16:9 480i signal, nevermind about the HD. Right now they can't even deliver a DVD-quality picture. No use having a 720p/1080i signal if it's compressed like hell.
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Then what is the current Astro picture resolution rite now ??

But it looks quite clear in panny plasma. How about the"Big" satelite disc that we use to watch China HK movies so on. I think they are in digital format. I havent tried but wish to try to see the difference in my panny screen.... drool.gif
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post Sep 10 2008, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(168257061 @ Sep 10 2008, 04:49 AM)
I got compare before , even stand at 2m away its hardly to see the differences.

but if I get 720p , will I miss playing blu-ray movie ? because its 1080p .
and I heard from somewhere , 720p cant play 1080p movie right.
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I think you can still watch movie in 1080p if your tv is only in 720p resolution.

I have once saw the panny pv-8 displayed superb picture quality when feeded with blu ray disc in one of the panny promotion fair recently. Its PQ is much better compared to normal dvd play. Again, if viewing distance is within 6 feet I guess. If too far apart, eveything you see is about the same. Be it a FULL hd, HALF hd, SEMI hd or whatever D.....all will look just a square picture projected from a square frame. rclxm9.gif However, this is when you really get into the movie not just everytime do the "audition" instead of watching movie.

So, conclusion is if you have longer viewing distance or wanna to benefit from a good story movie, dont bother investing your hardcore money into Full hd tv. Better invest into sound system coz no matter how far you sit, you can still enjoy DD5.1, DTS, DTS-HD, DSP etc etc......provided you have a good receiver. The digital surround can still shooting around behind you with crystal clear effect. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 11 2008, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(99below0 @ Sep 10 2008, 04:49 PM)
The resolution is there, just that the compression blocks are a bit rougher. Original DVD9 are professionally mastered and BD rips are just hack jobs on some young hacker's PC, and dependent on whatever commercial ripping program they are using. Surely cannot beat a multi-million dollar hollywood studio... tongue.gif
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I think we guys should start a new thread for ahem dvd disc discussion as more and more posts are related to this issue.

Ok, compare DVD9 to BD ripped (is this the correct word to describe?), I must say I agreed with 99below0 that DVD9 disc looks a little superior in PQ. My damn old LG Home box receiver although sounds pretty good but tend to freeze on certain track along the movie played in BD ripped. However, it will have this problem when feed it with dvd9 disc. Again, this may prove the above points raised by 99below0 that these BD are ripped by some crap programs in the PCs or writing machine that resulted a slight poorer quality. Another thing is these BD ahem discs are selling in bulks suggesting using higher burning speed that seems compromise its quality. Look at ripped BD source, they arent as many available in the market if you compare the two.

The above difference in PQ may be thin but with a pretty good tv & cabling, we can notice it quite handsomely. Oh, just ring me a bell, this also proves my 42inch panny plasma worth every sens as I am able to differentiate. rclxm9.gif

On the audio part, I think both are on par. The BD ripped sounds sharp and the dvd 9 sounds louder. Not much to comemnt. Then again, this also indicates my crap old LG box are far from audiophile level. mad.gif Maybe u guys with Yahama or Onkyo Blokbuster receiver can comment on the audio part........hehehe, then I will re-consider investing in one of those, preferably YAHMAHA !!!


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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Sep 11 2008, 10:08 AM)
I think we guys should start a new thread for ahem dvd disc discussion as more and more posts are related to this issue.

Ok, compare DVD9 to BD ripped (is this the correct word to describe?), I must say I agreed with 99below0 that DVD9 disc looks a little superior in PQ. My damn old LG Home box receiver although sounds pretty good but tend to freeze on certain track along the movie played in BD ripped. However, it will have this problem when feed it with dvd9 disc. Again, this may prove the above points raised by 99below0 that these BD are ripped by some crap programs in the PCs or writing machine that resulted a slight poorer quality. Another thing is these BD ahem discs are selling in bulks suggesting using higher burning speed that seems compromise its quality. Look at ripped BD source, they arent as many available in the market if you compare the two.

The above difference in PQ may be thin but with a pretty good tv & cabling, we can notice it quite handsomely. Oh, just ring me a bell, this also proves my 42inch panny plasma worth every sens as I am able to differentiate.  rclxm9.gif

On the audio part, I think both are on par. The BD ripped sounds sharp and the dvd 9 sounds louder. Not much to comemnt. Then again, this also indicates my crap old LG box are far from audiophile level.  mad.gif  Maybe u guys with Yahama or Onkyo Blokbuster receiver can comment on the audio part........hehehe, then I will re-consider investing in one of those, preferably YAHMAHA !!!
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SORRY GUYS SOME TYPO ERROR ADMENDED BELOW in BIG CAPITAL:

think we guys should start a new thread for ahem dvd disc discussion as more and more posts are related to this issue.

Ok, compare DVD9 to BD ripped (is this the correct word to describe?), I must say I agreed with 99below0 that DVD9 disc looks a little superior in PQ. My damn old LG Home box receiver although sounds pretty good but tend to freeze on certain track along the movie played in BD ripped. However, it will NOT have this problem when feed it with dvd9 disc. Again, this may prove the above points raised by 99below0 that these BD are ripped by some crap programs in the PCs or writing machine that resulted a slight poorer quality. Another thing is these BD ahem discs are selling in bulks suggesting using higher burning speed that seems compromise its quality. Look at DVD9 source, they arent as many available in the market if you compare the two.

The above difference in PQ may be thin but with a pretty good tv & cabling, we can notice it quite handsomely. Oh, just ring me a bell, this also proves my 42inch panny plasma worth every sens as I am able to differentiate. rclxm9.gif

On the audio part, I think both are on par. The BD ripped sounds sharp and the dvd 9 sounds louder. Not much to comemnt. Then again, this also indicates my crap old LG box are far from audiophile level. mad.gif Maybe u guys with Yahama or Onkyo Blokbuster receiver can comment on the audio part........hehehe, then I will re-consider investing in one of those, preferably YAHMAHA !!!


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post Sep 14 2008, 12:02 PM

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I know projector is best suitable for big room. However, I find it not practical when comes to living room. You have to sit in a darker room for hours if not total darkness. So, it will cause some eyes strain & impractical especially living room in as many households should be bright enough, not to mention there are guests coming in.

I still find a special room should be more appropriate to watch the projection movie......
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post Sep 18 2008, 09:37 PM

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Hey sifus,

Do u guys know what is the most ideal picture settings for Panny Plasma PV8?? Well, my settings are:

Menu = Standard
Contrast = 55
Brightness = 52
Colour = 55
Sharpness = 60
Picture temperature = Standard

Are these settings good enough, if not, what's your recommendation. I also use these settings to watch dvd.

Another question, Sony recommends to set its dvd player to Cinema 1 but I found it a little brighter so I set to standard in Sony DVP-708.

Please discuss, thanks.
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post Sep 23 2008, 09:00 AM

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I guess mass production due to affordable flat tvs are compromising the the quality control.
Therefore, check the years of warranty offered is the most important thing in choosing tv, not only PQ alone. Beware of cheaper models being on sale as they are most likely to succumb to defects after 1 or 2 yrs. You can notice not all models in branded name tvs are on 5 yrs warranty. There are bound to be some lower budgets tvs just to attract the market share with of course cheap scale electronics inside.


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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Sep 23 2008, 09:00 AM)
I guess mass production due to affordable flat tvs are compromising the the quality control.
Therefore, check the years of warranty offered is the most important thing in choosing tv, not only PQ alone. Beware of cheaper models being on sale as they are most likely to succumb to defects after 1 or 2 yrs. You can notice not all models in branded name tvs are on 5 yrs warranty. There are bound to be some lower budgets tvs just to attract the market share with of course cheap scale electronics inside.
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For eg, some S series in 32" of some branded name offered very very cheap price just to attract buyers. Whereas W series in same size offered much higher with only some cosmestic features. This is just one example. It could applied to others too just for marketing strategies perspective.

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post Sep 23 2008, 11:03 PM

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Are you guys pretty sure that 42PV8H does not equip with fans??

I prefer no fans installed for 2 resons:

1) It shows ur tv is not generating enough heat hence less power consumption.
2) Fans have much shorter life span.
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post Sep 23 2008, 11:18 PM

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Goody at least we dont have to worry about the faulty fans from time to time, overheating or something like that.

At the meantime, just enjoy the great picture it displays for u. Cheers.
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post Sep 25 2008, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Sep 24 2008, 10:26 PM)
my 2 cents, yamaha soundbar isn't half bad provided u have a good sub to pair with it....

A good 5.1 system (equivalent std to the yamaha soundbar) is great for std sized room or living room.... gives better surround sound effect.

7.1 is required when u have a longer room to provide ideal surround sound. if room too small, going to be noisy...
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IF we have BD player and HD support receiver, then not using 7.1 set up will be a waste since not fully utilised right ?? All this HD kits are supposed to play through 7.1 speakers true? But then, not so practical is the standard living room like most of us have. Please comment.
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post Sep 29 2008, 11:33 PM

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[quote=99below0,Sep 29 2008, 02:36 PM]
Don't go by room size. Size of the TV depends on your viewing distance. Tell us so we can help. Also, type of TV (LCD/Plasma) depends on what you are viewing most often: is it Astro, DVDs, Blu-Ray, PS3, PC, etc?

Then, is the Panny PV8 suitable for Blu-ray movies watch since it is HD Ready? I have once seen it performs superbly by feeding BD source. Is it worth to invest a BD player & hook it to PV8 knowing it is not fully utilised ??
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QUOTE(99below0 @ Sep 30 2008, 01:56 PM)
It really depends on how far you're sitting away from the screen. If you're having a 42", then you won't be able to tell the difference between HD-Ready and Full-HD from 9 ft onwards, even at 8 ft it will be difficult.


Added on September 30, 2008, 2:09 pmBTW, saw Hesstar brand 28" 16:9 CRT selling for RM388 at Homenet Bandar Puteri. Finally, a highly affordable CRT widescreen. smile.gif
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So, the conclusion is the viewing distance is all that matter in the end !!! Good job done.

BTW 99<0, do u have a BD player connect to your Panny Plasma ?
Some sifus here have recommended me to start with HDMI receiver and speakers first and then only come the BD player later in the stage when I want to venture into Full HD world. What's your view? I would like to hear from you.
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post Oct 13 2008, 09:01 AM

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Yeah, we bought the model according to our budget. If you can strech your money further, of course the pricer the tv is, the better it gets. Thats bascially the theory. The difference between FulHD and HD Ready also depends on our viewing distance. Of course, when we do audition at the shop, we are standing pretty close to the tvs. HOwever, when you put them into your living room, the variance may not so great anymore..........cheers.







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post Oct 15 2008, 05:44 PM

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I second that warranty is a BIG issue when come to choosing a HDTV model. Thats why I picked Panny Plasma with 5 yrs warranty.

I have a technician frd whom he have repaired number of plasma or lcd tvs mostly after 1 to 3 yrs of usage. Another thing is the services and parts widely available.




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Good point. The evolution of flat panel tvs technologies have been great for last couple of years and yet they are not considered at maturity age yet so to speak. Therefore, extended warranty come in handy to safeguard our investment. In addition, these high-tech tvs are in stiff competition that resulted mass production whereby it can compromises its quality in one way or another....





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post Oct 20 2008, 11:01 PM

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For best movies and astro, u will never go wrong with Plasma....

From another Panny Plasma owner.




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QUOTE(elwwmatrix @ Oct 20 2008, 11:31 PM)
Lame quality Astro. Huhu. Has anyone use their set with a 'parabola'? The PQ same as Astro  or better? shakehead.gif
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Oh, those bigger size dish are common in my hometown........

This is my future plan to get one. Their signal is fully in digital, strong and not affected by cloudy weather. So, what do u think compare to astro ? brows.gif

I have seen my father-in-law hooked them up to his Panny PV80, and the result is very appealing. Way better than astro quality. It evens make ur Panny Plasma looks stunnier than before. Another good point is no monthly fees tongue.gif


















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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 21 2008, 01:50 PM)
err.. dun ask me if its legal or not. parabola maybe legal la but the one i said *ekhem* steal line of coz is not legal at all. i also dunno how wide are they available but if u have frens or relatives who know them its better coz mine is one my worker's brother working as installer. yes they can receive oversea channel like china,hk,taiwan,korea,japan,indonesia,philiphines,thailand and few western bbc,mtv etc
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OK, lets make this thread a KUALI THREAD.

If you look at the legal side, of course the answer is absolutely NO, whether it comes with astro detection device or not. Astro is the monopoly and the only one to have paid-channel broadcast licence in M'sia. Luckily at the moment they just dont have strong enforcers to prosecute someone.

So, in conclusion, if u wanna make full use of ur high-tech tv, just waste no time and shop around for 1 unit. You will be surprised how the Digital Signal makes your plasma or lcd look. As I said before, here are very common. Many have been enjoying Digital Signal even in CRT age. We are so used to Digital signal in S'wak and hoping to leap into HD kuali soon if there is a chance.

Around RM1.9k wil get all-in-one incl. astro on demand. You know what I mean.... rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 21 2008, 01:50 PM)
err.. dun ask me if its legal or not. parabola maybe legal la but the one i said *ekhem* steal line of coz is not legal at all. i also dunno how wide are they available but if u have frens or relatives who know them its better coz mine is one my worker's brother working as installer. yes they can receive oversea channel like china,hk,taiwan,korea,japan,indonesia,philiphines,thailand and few western bbc,mtv etc
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OK, lets make this thread a KUALI THREAD.

If you look at the legal side, of course the answer is absolutely NO, whether it comes with astro detection device or not. Astro is the monopoly and the only one to have paid-channel broadcast licence in M'sia. Luckily at the moment they just dont have strong enforcers to prosecute someone.

So, in conclusion, if u wanna make full use of ur high-tech tv, just waste no time and shop around for 1 unit. You will be surprised how the Digital Signal makes your plasma or lcd look. As I said before, here are very common. Many have been enjoying Digital Signal even in CRT age. We are so used to Digital signal in S'wak and hoping to leap into HD kuali soon if there is a chance.

Around RM1.9k wil get all-in-one incl. astro on demand. You know what I mean.... rclxms.gif


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QUOTE(law1777 @ Oct 21 2008, 01:50 PM)
err.. dun ask me if its legal or not. parabola maybe legal la but the one i said *ekhem* steal line of coz is not legal at all. i also dunno how wide are they available but if u have frens or relatives who know them its better coz mine is one my worker's brother working as installer. yes they can receive oversea channel like china,hk,taiwan,korea,japan,indonesia,philiphines,thailand and few western bbc,mtv etc
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OK, lets make this thread a KUALI THREAD.

If you look at the legal side, of course the answer is absolutely NO, whether it comes with astro detection device or not. Astro is the monopoly and the only one to have paid-channel broadcast licence in M'sia. Luckily at the moment they just dont have strong enforcers to prosecute someone.

So, in conclusion, if u wanna make full use of ur high-tech tv, just waste no time and shop around for 1 unit. You will be surprised how the Digital Signal makes your plasma or lcd look. As I said before, here are very common. Many have been enjoying Digital Signal even in CRT age. We are so used to Digital signal in S'wak and hoping to leap into HD kuali soon if there is a chance.

Around RM1.9k wil get all-in-one incl. astro on demand. You know what I mean.... rclxms.gif






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post Oct 22 2008, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(myqd @ Oct 22 2008, 03:22 PM)
In my case,with RPTV,when compare astro with satelite,not all channel astro kalah.For channel like 712,301,311 and 333 which i normally watched,they are nice  thumbup.gif  From satelite i normally watch Taiwan Entertainment Show during weekend,PQ consider good but no S-Video or Component output,only 480i through composite,Koreon Brand,how i wish they broadcast HD or 576p wide screen then i get myself a LCD TV for it,still cant accept 4:3 broadcast at 16:9 LCD  sad.gif .
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Channel 333 Hua Hi Tai picture is pretty clear and details. nod.gif SO much clearer than any other channels. 301 is good too and hallmark and hollywood channel are bad in signal. biggrin.gif





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post Oct 23 2008, 05:08 PM

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Hi Digitech,

MAy I know when is the Batch No.8 stock due to arrive ??
Cant wait to hook it up to astro decoder and see what magic this little thing can do......Hmmmmm.




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