hi everyone.

need some help here.

i planning to but a new set of tv, still can decide either to go for Plasma or LCD. Read that

LCD
colour degrade if view at diff angle
tiring on the eye
dead pixel problem
contrast not as good plasma
motion jitter with fast moving images

Plasma
burn out issue
screen get hot easy
buzzing sound when get hot
colour degrade if play at high altitude e.g condo..
higher power consumption

so far I set my target:
LCD: Samsung 46" Lcd LA46A950 Full HD
Plasma: PANASONIC 42" Plasma TH-42PV80HM (this is HD Ready..dunno what Full HD model is equivalent to it)

So, I will be glad to here any personal review for either model - I saw a few already bought PV80 at S**Q for rm 3299..

thanks...

thanks..

care to share where i can get the lcd for 7750??

what is the current price for py800??

thanks again

where can i find this KURO in KL - which shop giving the best price??
how is it compare to panny 42pv80??

anyone here can share their experience owning a KURO??



- DHT?? is it Desa H**e Th*****

- The 5 year warranty is from DHT or from Pioneer Malaysia - what does it cover??


This post has been edited by ic-klass: Dec 17 2008, 01:53 AM

Me too..dont wanna be fool by the saleperson..

can i know what is the best price price for 42PY800H panny now. And where can get the best deal??

saw the same add in The Star. Dont really trust CM with their sweet add - heard you end up paying twice the price with their payment scheme!!

well then i wonder why plasma still hold so many award for PQ - e.g pioneer Kuro..

Today went to HN sunway, speechless and amazed by how stunning and riche the PQ on KURO 50in and 42in. No wonder they wont sooo many award and recomendation - even they are only 1024 x 768 (HD Ready). So i guess it just not the pixel resolution that matter. Many forms/factors come around to give a good PQ.

IMHO, above 40in plasma win hands down (HD or Full HD). In sub 40in (37, 32, 29, 22,...) LCD win - just because there is no Plasma less than 40in!!. Then again, it just me..

Now, will need to convinved the missus (home and finance ministry) to take the 42in Kuro rather than the 40in Pv80 or 42in py800...(need to work fast, today HN showed 42in kuro at rm6399..!!)

correct me if i'm wrong, but i was told by several salea agent that those Panny G11 plasma with 5 year warranty all "made in Japan" - with the exception of pv80, assebled in s'pore.

Second, isnt the Py800 and py850 is among the recent full HD by panny?? Py850 having more extra feature than py800 e.g. RGB cinema colour??

Are those two really bad in term of PQ - i know kuro is alway no 1. But to say py800/py850 is not good than we have limited choice for plasma - samsung anyone??

Then, what say you about Pioneer award winners Plasmas. e.g. the 42in Kuro 428xg also is 1024x768. Does pioneer tried to con the critics and various magazines (including the lame as me and you) that it is "HD" ready but not HD. and yet managed to bit the crap out of every contender in the same class or above and currently hold the best PQ in flat HDTV... If they purposely tried (to con people), then I'm conned all the way (up to my a****).

Like i said ealier in my previous post, the most important thing is PQ. All the pixels, connections, sizes, are add up bonuses. Hey, correct me if i'm wrong - you buy tv for watching or for what..?? I dont mind missing the 5% around the edges of the screen in 1080 resolution, or not 1 to 1 mapping. As long as the main characters/scenes/action occurs in the middle - that's the directors intention anyway, delivered through cinema/life-like quality - thats the reason to buy and watch tv.

Thank you for your elaborated explaination. It was an educating post.

For me, I'm just looking for the best PQ display to watch movies - day in, day out. At the moment, plasma is my choice. Being contemplating the kuro 428xg or panny 42py800 - cause as u said, my watching distance is merely 4 meter (max).

For other purposes that require a "certain" monitor with "certain" capabilities, i will look for that "certain monitor". I dont really believed in the "ALL-IN-ONE" gadget - something has to be compromised in order to keep all the features, hence, it looses some..

So, help me to decide which to buy - Kuro/Panny

Next, point me to the best price/deal..

Here is my experience so far.

Between 428xg and pv80, tested side by side in Best Denki MV - the kuro showed more detailed black and hence the colour was more vibrant and real, py80 showed more greyish black, softer colour. Both runs thr source from a hard disc (panny demo) with same component cable. but comparing with LCD, pv80 still win hands down.

Between pv80 and py800, running "ghost rider" via blue ray and component. At 3m and above (<6m), py800 showed more detailed images - you can see the grains on the leather jacket N.cage was wearing, colour more vibrant and darker. Whereas, pv80 showed some great PQ, but the edges kinda soft/wash out compare to py800 - i guess its due to the xtra 1080 pixels.

I havent tried 428xg and py800 side by side yet. Eager to test but not free at the moment. But saw kuro playing its demo disc from blu ray - black is "ink black", but you can see the fine details in the blackness - grains/texture on the wall, etc. and whit is like "snow". I can appreciated the 3d like images from the kuro.

I havent see any of the three with s-video astro or normal dvd - the one you bought 3 for rm20!!.

My preference is with kuro, BUT, the price is almost the same as py800 - which is Full Plasma HD, x.v colour, 5k colour gradation. The warranty is the same (both are 5 years). For me still undecided, kuro 428xg or py800. if budget is limited, pv80 also a good choice - PQ much2 better than any Full HD LCD.

Afraid that if i put my money on pv80 - I'll regret not buying Kuro.
Afraid that if i buy Kuro - i'll missed the full hd features.
Afraid that if i buy py800 - i'll missed the PQ of Kuro....
That's my dillema...

the cheapest i was quoted for py800 is from one "imsobloody..." cant really remember the nick. But he has a shop in Kajang. You can checked it at Garage sales..

for 428xg, so far HN quoted the cheapest at 6399 - but that was during boxing day. dunno their price now.

May be can do bulk purchase for 428xg or py800..

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Added on December 30, 2008, 4:50 pmhow to check manufac date??

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Dec 30 2008, 04:50 PM

how much you selling py800/old model??

sorry, off topic Q - what is "HTPC" ??

is the kind that "a bit beaf-up pc - but without the normal pc monitor", hooked up to a lcd or plasma??

mind sharing where u get this acttractive price??

Good to hear that. PV80 is one of my choices. Mind sharing what is ur set-up (and probably a pic/pics of the PQ)
Really tempted to buy this model - but having second thought after reading "HD should be 1366x768" by one of the forumer here.
May be u can posted a first-hand review (PQ at normal-self-living-room kinda..)

P/s: Head on to AVS forum - a lot of tweaking to improve PQ..PX80 user (PV80 here..)

wow..got ir/burn in issue so soon with pv80...
i know both are issue on plasma, but so soon with G11 panel - Should call for warranty.

anyway, i have read that, there are DVD that can repair the burn in/ir issues at the early stage of the panel live. Mostly due to the "immaturre" phosphorus gases in the cells. Read around about plasma panel breaking, especially the first 100 hours - there are DVD iso and Jpeg image that you can download via torrent - or any other method.

Basicly, there are 2 ways of doing it - play/looping the DVD for 100 hour or play the DVD in between viewing. You can read/google it for the details

After that, there is picture tweaking. Also advisable that the 1st 100 hour to limit the brightness and contrast setting - also more details can be found by googling it.

These are the tips i gather from AVS forum - a US base techy forum. Over there pv80 = pz80u, py800 = pz800u, and py850 = pz850u. Do you know that the pz850/py850, and pz800/py800 have this "THX" certified setting for colour/brightness/contrast/etc...Only that they(panny) dont label it as "THX" certified.

So, making things short, more info can be found in the AVS forum - AVS Forum
- plasma break-in period methods
- tackling IR/Burn-in issues
- picture calibration

Also, if you wanna jump straight on - here it is Plasma Tips

here is the official from Panny website - Panasonic Global FAQs

Sorry if i offended anyone. dont mean to sound like sifo or what's not. Just wanna share the info.
may be somebody care to comment.

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 4 2009, 05:10 PM

Finally put my bet on 42PV80. I know..I know, some of you may be asking why i didnt go for 42py800 (or Kuro 428xg - darn expensive la...may be some other time)

The reason being:

- My whole set up are "old timer" spec - still with component, coaxial, and optical. No HDMI yet. Even my trusted projector is connected via component since I have no source that comes with HDMI.

- Since i relay all of my AV stuff through my old and trusted RX-V2400 (also no HDMI), I believed i still can get GOOD PQ and SOUND STAGING from it. Hence, no need to replace this "commamnder" yet..

- HD source (blue ray disc and player) is still consider to be luxury items, cant fully commit to this yet (got other commitment at the moment)

- Because I still "old timer"-tech (watching Astro and DVD video) and our only mass broadcast is astro (only SD maa!! ). But watching astro and OTA broadcast e.g. TV3 on 42py800, i can truelly say that you need not worry much about PQ ( if you get the viewing distance right). Sorry for those LCD with astro - LCD dont stand a chance at astro..

- Dont really planning to get an update on my setup yet - it has served me well. Most of them from years back (2002 atleast!!) But I still believed it can give the run for its money with current AV product in the market (Those thar come in dvd-av-speaker package)

So that all, in an nut shell. Really like the PY800. But the aboved reasons steered me away from it. Definately will be looking for it the next time I'm looking for a QUALITY display!! (save 1 for me imsobloodysick!!!)

Cant wait to test the display later..( hope no accident happend during/along delivery and no dead pixel!! - fingers cross !!
Will do some break-in and calibration later with AVIA GUIDE TO HOME THEATRE DVD and BREAK-IN DVD by EA..(despite what others might say - i still believed in break-in period/warm-up when it comes to AV)

Next need to order a good quality component - QED QUNEX SR-CV1 Silver Reference Component Video, anyone..

and one more thing - where to get/Can anyone post the key sequence to check how long the plasma panel being use...

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Added on January 5, 2009, 5:54 pmI beg to differ. IMHO, plasma colour is natural, vibrancy depend on the brand..
LCD colour is saturated - like when you do oil painting where you smacked several layer of same colour on top of another..( if you like everything to be BRIGHTLY colour, then i suggest u go for lcd.

Improvement in LCD is LED, but it comes with price (go for samsung series9 LED, the 42 inch is selling at <rm8k now!!)

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 5 2009, 05:54 PM

mine didnt have any sticker on it (why would you want stickers stuck to the side?? - ) I would rather have the clean piono-black finish ..untouch!!