try imsobloodysick - you wont be dissapointed

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Added on January 6, 2009, 2:22 pmtrue.. but which no to press - or just keep on pressing [2] will later bring [srv-tool] ???

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 6 2009, 02:22 PM

also at the BACK - NEXT TO PC INPUT

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Added on January 6, 2009, 9:02 pmlook for "imsobloodysick" - he has a shop in Kajang - not that far from kl.
Just got one myself yesterday..

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 6 2009, 09:02 PM

- Please dont insult the KURO owner..




This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 6 2009, 09:12 PM

finally, managed to get the TIME/COUNT. Mine is 4:47 and 7 - Got the TV yesterday evening around 7pm and played around untill 11-12pm.

So, anyone that has a set which showed a diff TIME usage from what he/she used better check with Panny.
Mine is also December 08 set - cant get Jan 09 yet..

Good componet - comes with pricer price Depand on ur budget. I always use "What Hi-FI" as a reff.
An online shop in UK, "FutureShop" is doing a 50% off on many items - also do worldwide delivery..

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 6 2009, 09:21 PM

Why not the PY800 plasma Panny? The 42 inch is selling <rm6.5k now. Size depand on ur viewing distance..
For Astro - plasma still best (even with ci-put S-video)

LCD with Astro?? - Only you sit far far way!!

Yup, totally agree. BUT, who watched Blu 8 hour a day - wished I live in those "developed countries". In Msia, what to do - just try to get the best of everything, with whatever u got la..

Honestly, u are once like me (w/out the extra budget). Watching Astro most of the time. My old CRT in alway on from 8 or 9 am till I got back from work, which is around 6pm. Then, when everyone is at home, u can bet it's ON till past midnite. May be if i have extra hours to spare, i watched DVD-video every alternate nite. So astro is still a factor to consider when choosing between PLASMA or LCD - if its intended to be ur MAIN display at home. Otherwise, it is all come down to "which TOYS u wanna buy"

I have a 42PV80 - only recently. So far really satisfied with the PQ (conn via ci-put s-video cable). Planning to buy a THX-certified S-Videop Monster cable from one of the forumer. Its PQ is much better when view at home, compared to what u see at retails shop. You have to remember at shop, they set diff setting for the displayed and the signal is relayed via several. best to bring ur own source (DVD/Blue Ray) and ask for demo. Try to set both sets at a level playing field - standard picture mode, NR reduced,etc..

Just watched rm8 DVD - Mummy 3 and Stealth, at 4meter distance. Very happy with the PQ , and my dvd doesnt have any upconversion (the pic is totally upconverted via the Plasma) surficed to say I'm amazed - still blue ray with full hd plasma is the BEST.

The only things I missed about my PV80 is that, NONE of the connector ports is gold-plated..
dunno Py800/Py850 is like that...

so, IMHO, go for plasma - you wont regret it..

pv80 in not full hd. panny full hd plasma is py800/py850. the 50pv80 is 1366x768 and the 42pv80 is 1024x768. both are 720p set.

yes, i saw both at side by side 50pv80 vs py800, via blue ray source - the pv80 is good, but py800 is better (hence the price tag). you noticed more details in py800. You can check with "imsobloodysick" shop in kajang.

AVS forum has a good user reviews - there i think the model no is px80 - u can check there.

HDMI or s-video normally come as a package. I just bought the TV - dont really like the free cable, its not that expensive if u search outside. Wanna V.good cable - need to spend more la..

HDMI/Optical/some Coaxial transmit signal in 101010101001010 (digital format), need not to worry about lost of data. Soem HDMI are now over 10 meters already. Whereas analogue cable - Component/RCA/S-video will has some lost of data if the cables are kept long - that why u are advice to keep your cables as short as possible.

Cost/price depend on the makes/material use to make the cables - low price=low cost material/ high price=better quality/insulation/grade/etc material.

If not all the quality one from distinct cable producers might as well sell like those in Giant - may be their entry level one is a bit above the standard/cheap/free cable.

As a rule of thumb - you budget on cables/connector should be around 10% of your AV setup..( spend more if you have the punch!!)

You are correct. The best way is to try each and everyone of it. But in an ideal world, that is nearly impossible - you need to be mega-rich and stupid to buy the whole brands. That's where "product reviews and user comments" come in. You can set the cable of your choice and google for its comments and reviews.

Compare it with others within the same price range. The source of the comments and reviews also need to google it wisely. I use those like what hifi/what homecinema - mostly UK base. dont really like those done by Cnet - their customer reviews so-so la.

So, u asking: "High price will Definately give me better PQ?" The simple answer is NO - you cant make a proton Sawi to run like a civic by bolting down a good spark cable, cant you?? No need to buy high-end cable if you sets are not in that range of categories. So, it best to start with a good quality AV setup first - then it will be easy to choose ur cable.
Basic thiings like gold-plated connector is definately better than those silver one. Good "insulation" and transfer will minimised data loss. High grade components delivers better PQ/SS

Then again, PQ is in the eye of the beholder. So trust ur eyes - others are only guidence,

Like i said earlier in my post - cables/connector roughly is about 10% of ur AV setup.

And uses Reviews and Comments as a guide...

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Added on January 8, 2009, 6:19 pmSo thus this means that we can expect the Kuro and Full HD panny panel to come down in prices next year??

Ha..ha.. ( felt sorry for those LCDs..)

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Added on January 8, 2009, 6:43 pmHere is the review of 42PX80 - cousin of our beloved 42PV80. Yup, minus the scart and digital tuner..
Well done to those Plasma buyer!!

42PX80

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 8 2009, 06:43 PM

A "very Good" high-end product will last/satisfied u longer. True technology change rapidly nowdays. But if u "invest" in a good top-of-the-range, be sure that it will continue to give you satisfied PQ comparing to the "new-entry-level" machine. Plus, manufacture will continue to provide the extra feature (which doesnt come in entry level product) and develops new tech base on yours.

It's very hard to stay in touch with the latest gadget/tech. Only if you are filthy rich, and can afford to change the gears week-in-week-out, then you are im-par with the game. Plus, our culture also isnt consumer oriented. Places in the developed country has shop that u can trade in your ols set and get a new one, someone later can buy this "aged" product to upgrade their setup, you can do garage sale and people still bought ur good second hand items - here in malaysia, second hand item is like garbage (no good value)..

with that budget you can easily get a plasma - trust me u wont regret it.

plasma response time is 0.001ms
lcd response time is 4ms (at best model) - philips sucks at this. and also their pixel plus hd 1/2/3 sucks big time..stay away...

pv80 only comes in 42in and 50in..

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Added on January 11, 2009, 1:34 am???
Dude, get your fact right!!. Kuros won almost every award in flat tv for PQ - even the entry 428, and it still 1024x768!
The Koreans may have won it for something else - connectivity, design, etc... But King Of PQ, Kuro win hands down..

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 11 2009, 01:34 AM

you can start with these.. Pioneer 428xg/428xd

I use the cinema mode - coz i gave a smoother gamma courve ( this i found thru AVS forum). Still less than 100 hrs yet of usage. I just moved the slider -2 to the left (for contrast, brightness, colour sharpness) and turn off colour management. the Eco mode will try to adjust the contrast via its sensor below the panel using CAT. IMHO, if you already do calibrate your display, no need to use colour management - coz it will override your level setting. Then again PQ is in the eye of the beholder - i like mine au-naturalle..

will share later with you my setting..I have AVIA disc, but no chance to do calibration yet. You can try the AVS forum. Look for px80 owner list. They has alot of user setting that u can use as a guide..Let me know which one is your favourite..

well done to those new plasma owner - You made the right choice.

Sorry if i jump on ur nerve.
Yes, those are magazines reviews (now they have online version). You want to know why i go for magazines rather than those "institutions" that you so called "have the authority". It simply because it cater for the mass opinions through usage and reviews in one personal home/experience. It gave you the "normal user" perspective, having experience the product. It uses products that the masses like u and me would use, in a normal environment - not in some dark room with special cable and google.!!

To say that they in UK doesnt know squat about hi-def Video source is like saying YOU are a FOOL. I do not know any authority that claimed themselves of being the authority/ or have the final say who's/what the expert is. If there was one, the just set a standard - so that other can follows and make inprovement on the said "specs". If you look at the way they tested the system/TV/hi-fi - the test subject is always the only variable. Hence, it gave the most accurate test result your EYES and EARS can appreciated (be my guess if you wanna get all your test guns to measure the chroma/ambient,etc.. )

And yes, i was sceptical when i first knew about Kuro being 1024x768. But after i demoed it and compared my personal experince with other people opinion/input (online mag being the cheapest/fastest source now), I concured that even with that hated resolution of yours, it still the BEST Flat TV outhere - not to mention the latest 9th gens. You may be have a bad experience with that kind of resolution - but hey mind sharing what model lasma u used for 3 years? Maybe i can google its past review. But to say that all those people in the mags are putting rubbish into their mags?? Well i let other be the judge of your statement.

I've nothings again the Yanks. I like some of the reviews, but the little differences e.g: voltage ( and they drive on the right side of the road) put me off a bit. Maybe my upbringing was more UK-oriented ( and I know they make/have high standard for AV, mind you), hence I like to source for UK reviews.

Coming back to the point you made - Yes, that was 2007/2008 award. Why did i point u to that.. It simply because now the price of Kuro is "affordable" and "competitive". No point talking about the best product if it cost a bomb, right??
And we, malaysian has the opputunity to get it - somewhere else in this world ppl already enjoying the 9th gen Kuro and now talking about the 10th gens. You see how lucky we are..
And before I forget, if you bought a TOP product, no matter if it is already past 2-3 years - you'll find it better than the "latest" average. Then again we need to compare Apple v. Apple..

To suggest some one tho choose a 50pv80 over a 428xg is totally up to their choice. The mags reviews/awards are just guidences. At the end you still need to trust ur eyes and ears.

p/s: and if you wanna have a peek at the Yanks review on Kuro, be may guest...you can google it ( i'm sure a self-confess-high-tech guy like you would have no problem with google.. )

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 11 2009, 08:37 PM

well, that the 42in (1024x768) that is currently available here.. or to be exact PDP-428XG

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Added on January 12, 2009, 1:29 amFirst I thought you ask me to point out what "award" Kuro had won in the western market, hence the pasted link.
(if you are asking for a US base, well i know u can google it.)

To say that one has to own everything in order to give comment, means that one has to be filthy rich like you.
If the review hence the method of testing isnt done properly and give doubts - then i think you can summit your complaints to the editor, coz i know, their mags has many follower around the world - and these ppl should thank you for it. Of coz the yanks like to invent everything and a step ahead in the tech world. But to dismissed reviews from the other side of the atlantic is totally immature - just because all the best studio are there, for many reasons. The european also has their technical advantages over the yanks - if you know what i mean.

Yap, true I dont have a emm let me put it this way.."I really dunno how you can comment so much about TVs when you don't even use HD sources or have a proper HDTV with at least 1280x720 pixels ...". All i shared here are based on my personal eyes viewing and reading from here and there. and i certainly dont claim to be expert in any of these field. To me, numbers can be one thing or many, but, to see/hear the quality and appreciate it is another thing.

And on you last comment.. "no point arguing about how good the sound system is when you are only using FM radio.." - you hav got to be joking!! (may be we need to amend the rules in this forum ehh??

And one last thing that irked me the most, is you trying to discredit all the hardwork and done by the ppl in the AV magazines tp give us the consumer a "sneak-peek" before buying a produc; just because u have a HD/Full HD display and probably use the HD/Full HD sources (like for few hours or may be week) playing ur PS3 and BR disc; make u an expert (above the ppl who did the testing day-in-day-out)

To judge ppl for not following you jumping into Full HD..."I really dunno how you can comment so much about TVs when you don't even use HD sources or have a proper HDTV with at least 1280x720 pixels ... " and..."sorry I can't really take these comments seriously.. until you upgrade your equipment to be able to display HD and use HD sources like Blu-rays..".. WOW!! that was a lot of bull coming from a self-confess-techcy-"forumer".

Well let me be the first to "elect" you as our forum expert in PQ/HD/full HD (maybe later u can apply for jobs at those AV mags,..and put it in your CV "I have Full HD display and used Full HD source to play PS3 and watch BR movies.."
Let me know when they call for an interview...
If you remember this:

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Added on January 12, 2009, 1:32 am..and this:

I dunno what u mean better here - So i assumed its the PQ since we are in the plasma/lcd display. Unless you meant it to be something else - like extra connection/usb/etc..

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 12 2009, 03:04 AM

give panasonic a call. i remember reading somewhere about the buzzing sound - but not sure which forum. dont worry coz you have 5 year warranty ma. Mine also no buzz sound. may be you can ask their tech to come and listen to the buzz..

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Added on January 12, 2009, 10:32 amwhat level do you set for P-NR? or turn it off all together?

This post has been edited by ic-klass: Jan 12 2009, 10:32 AM