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ar188
post Dec 10 2008, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(msiathot @ Dec 10 2008, 10:03 AM)
It appears to me the people in the industry, be it consumer electronics, mobile phones or IT, think the rakyat is still "katak di bawah tempurung".
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probably high grade CE parts are still costly. white goods are relatively cheap.

higher end mobile phones that costs over 1k, people do go SG to buy them especially when have 500 and above price difference in them..

as for IT, our prices for subcomponents like HDD/video card processor etc and even software Windows OEM/Student are pretty cheap already compared to global prices..

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post Dec 10 2008, 07:49 PM

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QUOTE(elwwmatrix @ Dec 10 2008, 07:34 PM)
LG 32PC5RV is a plasma 32 inch. Not LCD tv.furthermore it is not even HD ready.The resolution is only 852 x 480 native . but some owners said the pictures looks stunning on SD sources. At Kuching, only Rm1680 nod.gif
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yeah that's the beauty of plasma... sure look stunning.. even if lost at resolution count.. rclxms.gif

one thing I cannot stand about LCD is in a darken room, when you show a dark scene or a black screen saver, the blardy thing that is glowing in the room and lighting up the whole room is the LCD screen.. biggrin.gif

well, if got money, LCDs using backlitted LED is the way to go..



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post Dec 13 2008, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(ronaldjoe @ Dec 13 2008, 04:55 PM)
15ft away fr a 32" would look very awkward, not fantastic at all
Btw, since when PV80 dropped to RM3.2k??
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wah..15 feet from 32 inci? need binoculars or not so see the difference in PQ? tongue.gif
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post Dec 14 2008, 01:28 PM

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my partner just bought a a85 series 1080p sharp lcd. I have to say it looks decent viewing low rez astro.
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post Dec 14 2008, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Dec 14 2008, 02:03 PM)
Berapa inci? Top range model. Elite partner.
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I think it was the smallest.. 42in.. but was also FULLHD already.. anyway it was cheap.. under staff purchase.. tongue.gif
was surprised how nice astro looked on it..
except when it came to dark and night scenes .. hehe! but still daylight scenes the color was very vibrant (LCD characteristics).. unnatural in reallife but somehow acceptable for casual viewing like TV shows /astro..
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post Dec 15 2008, 07:31 PM

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QUOTE(havocx @ Dec 15 2008, 06:28 PM)

@ Electron

Hmm yes indeed this is now really getting confusing. I actually went to have a look at the models on the website for LG malaysia and they mentioned that there is full HD support for the 42PG60UR. I then decided to confront the person at the shop asking about their mistake, now I was certain that I made sure that I got the 42PG60 which was a FULL HD version ( apparently from multiple websites ).

We saw together, my wife, the manager, sales person and I on the brochures by LG as well as the price range brochure which LG sends to its dealer that the 42PG60UR is FULL HD 1080p ? Its even stated on the huge box that came to the house. Whats more confusing however is that on the TV the sticker mentioned its HD ready. Err .. ? Also the Salesman wrote on my receipt and the receipt i received to be 42PG60 without the UR.

We checked before buying, i made sure the sales man called his supplier to confirm whether its Full HD, read on a couple of site while in the shop on my iphone just to make sure ( i mean RM4k for Plasma Full HD ? Its a deal of course if its true ), also rechecked the brochures available and so forth. They confirmed its Plasma Full HD and its just a simple swipe sign and same day delivery in the next 2 hours. Pretty sweet.

Im not cheap, far from it, I had the cash and the budget for the cheapest FULL HD Plasma ( note it has to be FULL HD Plasma ) and even had the budget to get 2 units at the same time, not really paying importance to the main contrast ratio and all that, just wanted the cheapest, Plasma Full HD around, so i thought it was a lucky chance.

Im going back to the shop later today and see what can be done. I dont mind paying extra for Full HD, but well, I want to know what I paid for was worth it.

Also - I ran a Full HD movie via my PS3, and also had run in some Full HD 1920 x 1080 resolution on the LG 42PG60UR with HDMI input and guess what..URGK, its just horrible. It is confirmed, panel is a measly 1024 x 768. I mean its gosh awful Ugly. Well to me at least.

Of course it has everything else running for it, nice gloss endless glass panel, invisible Mark Levinson tuned speakers ( sounds awesome by the way ) superb interface, THX certified display...but ishk...my requirements were simple, Full HD Plasma ( 1920 x 1080 capable ) and thats it, id be happy, no need for the extras smile.gif

Sigh...

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sorry to hear it didn't work out..
but full HD plasmas on the cheap? that would be wishful thinking.. cos I also wish it was cheap.. I don't mind getting another plasma. smile.gif
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post Dec 16 2008, 12:21 AM

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yeah I wonder how much is this LC42A85M in the market..

really nice LCD.. giving good astro images as well..

anyway did not know high end sharp LCDs made in malaysia.. rclxms.gif saw it when helping the fren install his A85
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post Dec 16 2008, 09:56 AM

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wah buy LCD TV like buying computer harddisk/RAM every few months drop 5-10%..
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post Dec 16 2008, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Dec 16 2008, 11:14 AM)
Boss, the influx of Full HD is overwhelming. Each of them trying to get a piece of the pie by cutting each other throats, which is darn good for consumers  thumbup.gif
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soon you will SMS RX330 to ask him to buy 1k 32inch LCD for his toilet.. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 16 2008, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Dec 16 2008, 12:14 PM)
after reading all this i'm sad liao went for LCD sad.gif
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no worries, with those kind of pricing dropping like computer parts while improving on size and specs,
you can always upgrade every 2-3years.. the old unit move to the spare room lor.. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 16 2008, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Dec 16 2008, 12:26 PM)
spare room turned into walk-in-wardrobe for wifey liao... sad.gif
haha
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put in toilet wall facing the seat.. can watch bloomberg TV when "doing business".. no pun intended.. tongue.gif

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post Dec 16 2008, 07:08 PM

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QUOTE(zzzxtreme @ Dec 16 2008, 02:08 PM)
ur laptop cannot set to 1380x786?

when i connect my laptop to samsung, in XP, I open display properties ,then check "Extend desktop to this monitor", without selecting resolution, then click OK

then i open Display properties AGAIN, and i can select 1380x768 to get 99% pixel mapping. perfectly clear, colourful, BD-quality videos.

have u tried Powerstrip software i told u about? or update ur vga driver?

Warning to buyers who want to buy LCD TV for computer use, TAKE UR LAPTOP AND TEST AT THE SHOP.
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it's not so easy to set custom resolution in vista.. if the chipset is intel..
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post Dec 16 2008, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(kevloke @ Dec 16 2008, 10:11 PM)
If Astro into digital signal then LCD will be good.
How about kuro plasma picture quality in Astro digital signal?
Anybody know? hmm.gif
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astro is digital transmission mah.. biggrin.gif

anyway, seen many astro signals.. I think still best with CRT (but small size) then Plasmas, low end to mid range LCDs really "cha" with astro..

the only one I seen good is the sharp A85..

I must go check out the newer mid/end 08 new high end LCD models that are just out should be better at handling astro..
those year 07 LCD models usually tak boleh pakai wan with astro.. tongue.gif
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post Dec 16 2008, 11:24 PM

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QUOTE(iamsobloodysick @ Dec 16 2008, 11:23 PM)
power consumption of a plasma tv : fluctuate depends on darker or brighter scene.

power consumption of a LCD tv : constant no matter what kind of scene you are watching even if you stay idle (backlight is always on).
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yes, and with larger LCDs like 46-55inches type, they can use more power than plasmas of the same size..
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post Dec 17 2008, 01:12 AM

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QUOTE(electron @ Dec 16 2008, 11:55 PM)
i did some search and came across:
http://reviews.cnet.com/televisions/?tag=bc
where they did reviews on the sets and include power comsunption measurement in it

from what i gather, LCD seems to take much less power, i.e 30-40% less than a plasma
i look at the 42" panasonic plasma and compared to a few 40-46" LCDs from other manufacturer
the plasma would take at least >50% more power than the LCDs
granted that the movie they used for testing might be different, but the extent of the difference is just too big to be cause by the show, in my opinion

btw, the figure i took is from the calibrated setting, not the default setting
that planted some doubt in my mind about getting the 42PV80H
at first, the native resolution of 1024x768, i think i can still live with it (i plan to hook up the computer or game console later on)
now with the power consumption figure which isn't as promising as it is

the remaining attraction now is the 5 year factory warranty and the attractive pricing
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Wattage rating on plasma represent the maximum it would consume (probably a pure white screen). Typical consumption is much much less, and dependent on brand and model.

LCD consumption is very close to the wattage rating because the backlight is always on.
Newer models have adjustable backlights that will probably be lower,.....


other excerpts from various web

Brand Panasonic Panasonic Fujitsu Samsung JVC Zenith(old)
Model TH42PD50 TH-50PX500U 50/30 HLP4663WX AV-56WP30 CL7203W
Type Plasma Plasma Plasma DLP RPTV Tube RPTV CRT
Screen Size 42” 50” 50” 46” 56” 25”
Screen Area 753 sqin 1068 sqin 1068 sqin 903 sqin 1340 sqin 300 sqin
Watt (spec) 390 W(max) 535 W 608 W 200 W 248 W 170 W

Instantaneous Readings
Volt 122.4 122.4 121.4 120.6
Amp 0.87 2.01 1.92 1.22
Watt 106.0 160.0 160.0 103.0
VA 113.0 246.0 233.0 147.0
Hz 59.9 59.9 59.9 59.9
PF 0.95 0.975 0.65 0.68 0.70

Cumulative Reading
Kwh 0.72 1.99 0.86 0.8 0.32
Hr* 6 11 1.57 5.45 5.07 3

Calculated Results
Avg. W* 120 181 288 158 160 107
W/sqin 0.16 0.17 0.26 0.17 0.11 0.36

Programming watched
NFL football NFL Week 15 NFL football Cartoons Mr.Rogers MN Football
Movie DVD Cartoons
Hockey Jeopardy
*During the test period


these readings show if plasma is rated at 390W (42incher) or 535W (50incher) average usage watching TV could be more like 120 and 181W respectively..


Added on December 17, 2008, 1:23 amuser posted image

another interesting comparison, look at the 20-IRE figures between the 2 (average TV broadcase signal)

http://www.hometheatermag.com/gearworks/106gear/

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QUOTE(slk5538 @ Dec 17 2008, 08:26 AM)
Take the average power comsumption of Plasma at 300 watt-hours

Assuming it is on for 4 hours a day, and 30 days a month.

The total power consumed is 36 kwH/month

A 9,000 BTU Air-Con on with 8 hours / day (assuming running at 75% of the time) consumes 180 kwH/month

A 300 litre fridge consumes 66 kwH/month.

SO WHAT IS SO BIG DEAL ABOUT PLASMA POWER CONSUMPTION???? yawn.gif
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right on! rclxms.gif how much is electricity now? RM0.20-RM0.30 I think for 1kwH? so that's like 7-10 bucks if watch 4hours a day for 30days?
LOL..
another joke was comparing the older PS3 power consumption and the newer PS3 chip using 65nm process.. to save electricity.. I wonder how much can you save?
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post Dec 18 2008, 09:34 AM

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yeah LCD colors are surreal (in a weird nice way).. like super vibrant during daylight scenes...


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post Dec 19 2008, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Dec 19 2008, 08:58 AM)
This is the characteristics of the LG Plasma panels. Nothing to worry about but you need to be careful with leaving menus/logos for very long hours.

BTW I saw ad advert for LG 60" plasma at RM13k. Wow, if ever anyone wanted the big screen factor without a projector, that is the way to go. Now if only the Pioneer and Pana 60in panels prices were this decent!
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wow 13k for a 60incher.. that's reasonable..
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QUOTE(mpyw @ Dec 19 2008, 09:35 AM)
the 13k already long long time liao lar for PG60.
wanted to buy that last time....but looking at the PQ...my wife said, if u wanna buy this set, just stick with the old sony will do tongue.gif
so I ended up with a Pio smaller screen with an addition 2k..... sweat.gif
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not familar with the model number n specs, this one not full HD ar? also not the newest korean brand series?


Added on December 19, 2008, 9:43 am
QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Dec 19 2008, 09:39 AM)
i feel u bro.... what's size without substance ya?
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tell that to LCD buyers.. cheap but PQ err.... tongue.gif

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ Dec 19 2008, 09:47 AM)
hey.... cheap shot at me coz i bot samsung A850 tongue.gif .. *ouch*
but it's ok, it is cheap smile.gif <RM10k for 52" haha.. and it's a nice piece of decor for my new pad biggrin.gif
so... i forgive u smile.gif
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well it's "relatively" cheap wot..compared to a full HD 50inch kuro..
no wonder you so pro LCd.. brows.gif
anyway good for you to have a high end LCD.. rclxms.gif


Added on December 19, 2008, 10:06 am
QUOTE(slk5538 @ Dec 19 2008, 09:59 AM)
i think wat ar188 meant are those lower end LCD models, your sammy A850 is a good one, dun worry  flex.gif
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thats for the clarification.. his highend LCD is exception rather than norm mah..
I also have cheapo range pana LCD, but because it's cheap and for general movies/daylight viewing etc "cho yeung" or rough use mah.. tongue.gif

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