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pierreye
post Oct 22 2008, 01:08 PM

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Anyone selling Abtus AV480-WT plasma mount? I'm trying to get the second unit for my old 42" plasma tv. Previously bought in lelong.com.my for RM 280 but they are running out of stock.

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post Dec 4 2008, 08:37 AM

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QUOTE(bmipp @ Dec 4 2008, 01:57 AM)
He he I'm the buyer

Now in Penang
42LG80FR is RM4000
I bought at RM4200, and now a forumer already got it for RM4000 in just 15 days ;(
I'm ok with that since when i buy it, the ratio i'm going for is 1 inch: RM100
so i reach that ratio, and buy it without second thought

One thing to know those

For 32 inch, the contrast ratio is only 30000:1 but for 42 inch, the contrast ratio is 50000:1
all other features are better or similar to of Samsung A650

The PQ is a boom, the details is very much stunning
I tested with the most controversial 'stuttering' scenes in the Hong Kong Movie, and it just slides off nicely without any problem
Sound quality is also the best i have heard of, 50W, better than the award winning Philip 30W 7404 LCD (also 50000:1, PixelX3, etc)
I have the home theater but i hardly need to turn on the home theater to see TV channel episodes, as the sound output is just marvellous

Highly recommended!

One downside though, only 2 HDMI ;(
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You shouldn't count by inch diagonal. Correct measurement is square inch. The size estate is much higher for 42" compare to 32". For example, going from 25" diagonal to 50" is not 2 x. It's 4x the size.
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post Dec 16 2008, 11:37 AM

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Some people feel the issue of fuziness of LCD which is due to motion blur. Read this bleow:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1074013
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post Dec 19 2008, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(slk5538 @ Dec 18 2008, 08:08 AM)
Is the black level the only difference you've spotted? How about the color?

I found that the KURO's colors are more vibrant if compare to the PV80. If you compare Pana PY800 with PV80 then you would know. PY800's color more vibrant, like the KURO. But not to the degree of some superbranded LCD with unnatural color. Again, I like to stress that I am not against those artificial color of those LCD, you have to admit many ppl like that a lot. It is just personal preference.

Also, have you notice that the picture in PV80 is coarser than the KURO? This is what i noticed, and don't quite understand what happen there? I tried to set the PV80 with higher Sharpness, but then the picture looks weird on high contrast scenes. Just seem unable to get the correct combination. KURO has no such problem. PY800 also has no such problem, but of course it is not fair to compare PV80 with PY800 cause PY800 is Full HD! Also, LG PG60 don't have this problem, the only thing with PG60 is the reflection and IR is quite serious.

Your opinion?
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PV80 panel and PY800 panel contrast level is different. If I'm not wrong, the native contrast for PV80 is 15k and PY800 is 30k. Same here, PY800 had more pop and 3D compare to PV80.
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post Dec 21 2008, 12:41 AM

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QUOTE(gyver @ Dec 21 2008, 12:22 AM)
Is there such option? Would like to know too smile.gif
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Service Menu. I posted the code in this thread. Search for it.
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post Dec 28 2008, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Dec 28 2008, 03:40 PM)
I didn't say the Panasonics aren't good. In fact PY800 is my choice because I just can't afford the Kuro models of the same specs. PZ800 (or PY here, but without the THX) received an Editor's Choice tag, and is at number 2 in the list, second only to the Pioneer Elite Kuro PRO-111FD. The PZ850, however, got some color issues even though still better than many other brands.

CNET's Ranking:

Plasma TVs
LCD TVs

And of course, reviews and ranks are just guides. They've used specific testing tools (HQV) as well as real source (blu-ray, etc) for the reviews and presented the results, so it's quite useful. But I've also seen the TVs in action, I love the Panasonic plasmas so much, but the Samsung LED backlight LCD is not bad too.

But I keep hearing that the PY800 series will be discontinued, they'll only focus on PY850 now.

The Pioneer's plasma panel factory has been shutdown. The 9th gen Pioneers will be using the plasma panels from the Panasonic factory. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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You are right. In the near future, pioneer and panasonic will use the same panel (from panasonic). PY800 and PY850 50" confirm coming from Japan factory. With the current price, I believe it is very attractive. I think if panasonic selling the next rev at lower price might not from Japan anymore (cut cost!)


Added on December 28, 2008, 11:59 pm
QUOTE(ic-klass @ Dec 28 2008, 11:40 PM)
Then, what say you about Pioneer award winners Plasmas. e.g. the 42in Kuro 428xg also is 1024x768. Does pioneer tried to con the critics and various magazines (including the lame as me and you) that it is "HD" ready but not HD. and yet managed to bit the crap out of every contender in the same class or above and currently hold the best PQ in flat HDTV... rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif If they purposely tried (to con people), then I'm conned all the way (up to my a****).  thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif

Like i said ealier in my previous post, the most important thing is PQ. All the pixels, connections, sizes, are add up bonuses. Hey, correct me if i'm wrong - you buy tv for watching or for what..?? I dont mind missing the 5% around the edges of the screen in 1080 resolution, or not 1 to 1 mapping. As long as the main characters/scenes/action occurs in the middle - that's the directors intention anyway, delivered through cinema/life-like quality - thats the reason to buy and watch tv.  whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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If you use HTPC, 1:1 pixel mapping is a must and Full HD is useful. The font will be super sharp compare to non-HD model. If you purely talk about movie, then depends on sitting distance. Sit nearly and you can still see the edge is not as sharp as full HD tv (especially curve is not so smooth).

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post Dec 29 2008, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(ic-klass @ Dec 29 2008, 02:04 AM)
Thank you for your elaborated explaination. It was an educating post.

For me, I'm just looking for the best PQ display to watch movies - day in, day out. At the moment, plasma is my choice. Being contemplating the kuro 428xg or panny 42py800 - cause as u said, my watching distance is merely 4 meter (max).

For other purposes that require a "certain" monitor with "certain" capabilities, i will look for that "certain monitor". I dont really believed in the "ALL-IN-ONE" gadget - something has to be compromised in order to keep all the features, hence, it looses some..

So, help me to decide which to buy - Kuro/Panny

Next, point me to the best price/deal.. thumbup.gif  thumbup.gif
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With all this discussion on full HD vs non full HD panel, prioritize your needs and budget. I'll give some advice based on my observation:

LCD vs Plasma (no comment as I'm plasma supporter. Motion smearing is a big issue for me and the LCD CCFL backlight is too bright. CCFL is based on fluorescent light and flicker at a constant 50hz (US is 60hz). Try use a video cam and point at the LCD screen. You can see flicker that is due to the flickering is not in sync with your video cam ). Unless it is using something like panasonic inverter lamp which flicker at much higher frequency.

Size - bigger the better. Seriously, for less than 8 feet, 42" is OK. Anything more than that better get a 50" or higher (if your wallet permit).

Full HD vs Non full HD. If you use HTPC, you definitely need 1:1 pixel. Most 1080p display will be able to support 1:1 pixel mapping or make sure you defeat overscan option. As for debate between 1024x768 vs 1366x768, I would agreed best get 1366x768 if you need 1:1 mapping as your aspect ratio would be correct. Based on my old 42" PV60, the panel is 1024x768. In order to get correct 1:1, I can only use VGA input at 1024x768 resolution. Although the font is sharp, but the aspect ratio is incorrect. Always problematic when playing movie using HTPC and had to use MPC to rescale the aspect ration which is troublesome. Not to say impossible but not for normal user. 1366x768 will save you lot of times from tweaking.

So for movie watcher, the priority is Size then HD panel.
For dual use as PC, the priority is HD panel then size.

Make sense?

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post Dec 31 2008, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(fhandrew @ Dec 31 2008, 12:16 AM)
i just got 42PV80 for my parents in johor for RM3.8K. at first i was looking at Sharp A65 cheapest i find RM4200, then after following this thread, i'm more into plasma. and in SenQ they showed me the Kuro 428xg... so nice PQ drool quote me RM7.7k bundle with pioneer 272 HT system. they put side to side with Sharp A83 (old of A85) on kungfu panda tiger dark scene Kuro won hands down. Well the idea of spending RM 7.7k on 42" is too much which make us think of the 50" PV80 which initially offered RM6.6K (tv only) then brought it down to RM6150. So at this stage we engage to this model until we feel our living room is less than 9ft from tv for 50in macam too big, so we decided to downsize to 42pv80. Paying at RM3.8K i know it's more expensive than some of you who have got better offer... well haven't able to test out the tv until this weekend when i go home. On the phone my parents were happy with the dvd and tv PQ .

so thx to everyone who contributed to this thread which helps a lot in my decision making. thx ! and will update how i find about my pv80 at home after this weekend.
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Side by side comparison without proper tuning is not accurate. I can tell you most of the demo unit is setup using dynamic mode and it screw up the color and black level. Contrast and brightness is way out. I always ask the sales man to pass me the remote to set the mode I'm looking at before comparing different unit.

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