Market can continue to slide down.
Crude oil price is plunging fast after Hurricane Gustav damaging is lesser than expected on oil field.
Stock market V15, lai lai all make money
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Sep 2 2008, 02:19 PM
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Finally move away with v14 liao.
Market can continue to slide down. Crude oil price is plunging fast after Hurricane Gustav damaging is lesser than expected on oil field. |
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Sep 2 2008, 02:29 PM
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Sep 2 2008, 02:21 PM) crude oil faster drop below $100 la...i'm xpecting another drop in fuel prices leh..... (wishful thinking) Yam Cha, no problem. cherroy......tomolo u r getting ur div for Panamy lo...when wanna belanja us yamcha?? hehehehe May be go to KL time, can. Slowly wait ah, hehe. |
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Sep 2 2008, 02:34 PM
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Sep 2 2008, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Sep 2 2008, 02:55 PM) they r 'suggesting' for pakatan-led state...aka...urs n cherroy's hometown included.....but not confirmed yet la.... They said next year, which is under proposal.but if someone become the new PM on sept 16.....i'm sure it will be a national holiday! hahahahaha I don't want to see another surprise holiday coming out again. This creates a lot of havoc and messy stuff on company business and factory production side. It is much better all are planned ahead be it want or not want to be a holiday. QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 2 2008, 03:02 PM) So many Kaki Lang. |
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Sep 2 2008, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE(Yahoo8888 @ Sep 2 2008, 04:23 PM) All sifus, The 30 points rise on Friday is a last few hours jack up one.Thought today the share market should be " SUI SUI" la since the KLCI indeks up last friday .............but today didn't turned up as "SUI SUI" but to " BEH SUI" liao ...haizzzzzz........................ Any latest news why today share market not beautiful and now look like they are offering sales la ......... There is no specific good point from the budget itself towards stock market. Instead the 4.8% budget deficit will ring the alarm bell in the eye of economist especially foreigners. Added on September 2, 2008, 4:35 pmOil is plunging fast! Now only 106. But it will drag down KLCI though because of plantation stocks. This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 2 2008, 04:35 PM |
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Sep 2 2008, 04:51 PM
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Sep 2 2008, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Sep 2 2008, 04:58 PM) Without seeing the share price, Axreit is always my prefer choice. (My opinion only)As UOAreit is now 1.06, with annualised of DPU roughly 9-9.5 cents, it becomes 8.96% gross yield and with 10% witholding next year, it carries 8.06% net yield, a more than 2x of 1 year FD rate of 3.7%. So if below 1.00, I most probably will pick some as its NAV is 1.39 with 8.5% net yield which is pretty attractive at least for my personal prefer asset allocation. |
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Sep 2 2008, 08:56 PM
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QUOTE(sharesa @ Sep 2 2008, 05:48 PM) QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 2 2008, 08:21 PM) Don't say I don't warn first, it is an extreme boring stock (5x, 10x boring than Panamy or dividend stock out there). I am aiming for the 8.5% distribution/dividend out of it only for long term. It is 2x and more better than 3.7% we are getting on FD with some more little risk on it.The downside of UOA compared to Axreit is that UOA is heavily or almost enitrely depended on office rental space as its main source of revenue. I hold no responsibility if go to Holland. This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 2 2008, 09:04 PM |
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Sep 2 2008, 09:11 PM
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QUOTE(exia5733 @ Sep 2 2008, 09:02 PM) @ panasonic88 The main problem of KLSE is that there is limited choice to choose from the so called big blue chips company if one excludes those GLCs company. That's why KLCI is heavily depended on the several stocks movement because this bourse simply lack of really big cap company. We might have 1000 counter or more than 500 listed company, but take the top 10 big cap company already can overweight 300-400 company at the bottom cap one.Just feel that its unhealthy for KLSE to be so weighted down by plantation stocks IMHO as per the existing trend. I mean if oil prices drop, why must the entire market sentiment follow suite and go spiraling downwards? Lower oil prices is actually a good thing for many companies! Oil and palm oil still make up a large chunck of economy of Malaysia. Low oil price is good for everyone except oil producing country and company. Malaysia is a oil producing country so more and less will be affected by lower oil price. But general public and company will welcome the lower oil price as it will lesser the burden of company as well as inflation problem. |
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Sep 3 2008, 02:16 PM
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Or they mean previous year
Airasia share is under a lot of pressure after its poor lastest Q result. |
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Sep 3 2008, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE(cantdecide @ Sep 3 2008, 02:29 PM) My opinion is still that Datuk Tony has expanded AA too aggresively. The credit crunch and high fuel price, perhaps, caused 2 big holes in their grand master plan where they have plunged in million of investment to purchase the 100 unit aircraft. Though this counter offer attractive growth rate but I am still worry with its too-aggressive-expansion-plan. They might not have enough capacity (load factor?) to fill up the total/extra aircraft. Of course, I do not know why and what went wrong with their fuel hedging strategy where they used to be the best and suddenly turn into worse than MAS. Yes, its debt has been ballooning.So Airasia with increase in capacity need to find more customers to fill up aka to maintain its load factor which has been decreasing due to more aircraft purchased. There is old news that they messy up with fuel hedging stragtegy previously by trading with it. Something like sell the futures contract (previously bought for hedging purposes) when oil price is high around 60-80, but who's know it continued to go higher, so they are not fully hedge their fuel cost at that time. I remember its share price plunges after this news come out. I might be wrong, just remember bit by bit only. |
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Sep 4 2008, 10:52 AM
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FKLI is discounting 25 points! compared to cash market.
Futures people are aniticipating KLCI to crash in this month of September. |
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Sep 4 2008, 03:09 PM
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Sep 4 2008, 09:15 PM
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QUOTE(kinwawa @ Sep 4 2008, 05:05 PM) me too!! lately seldom call liao.....but everytime i called my remisier also pickup very fast one..unlike last time..either engaged or..."wait a moment ar" Yours one pick up very fast? Mine one, at my side hasn't heard the 'too' 'too' sound yet after dialing, the remiser already say "hello". This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 4 2008, 09:15 PM |
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Sep 5 2008, 11:13 AM
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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Sep 4 2008, 10:58 PM) i see. Pana,rough calculation, based on today's closing price, the DY for the following are AXREIT - 8.5% UOAREIT - 8.3% ATRIUM - 7.8% me just look-see-look-see, havent make up my mind for REITs yet The Atrium reit yield is wrong ler. It distributed about 8.4 cents annually. So gross yield is more than 10% as lastest closing price is 0.80. Atrium reit consist of 4 properties (warehouse), currently one lease period has expired, and renew on monthly basic (based on lastest semi-annual report received last week). Company is still in progress to negotiate for the new lease. For Reit, there is a good website to refer, courtesy of forumers contributed it. http://mreit.blogspot.com/ This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 5 2008, 11:13 AM |
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Sep 5 2008, 11:18 AM
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Currently there are massive deleveraging happens around the world as well as carry trade unwinding.
So prepare for rought ride for equities market and high yield AUD and NZD sink pretty fast. Time for me to accumulate a bit out of it. USD and JPY have been the strongest currency in recent few weeks show sign of massive deleveraging is taking place. |
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Sep 5 2008, 03:41 PM
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Sep 5 2008, 03:23 PM) Bond do have maturity dates, and they are for years. I think T-Bills have a few months maturity, not really sure about this. T-bill got 1 month, 3months, 1 year, 10 years, 30 years.You can trade bonds like shares where you buy and sell, but if you keep until maturity date, you will get back your capital. Bonds pay out steady annual income based on the contracted coupon rates. So, it is quite safe. You DON'T lose your capital unless the unthinkable happens Pharma stocks in US is good. A few of my targets are in this sector. I also like consumer stocks in US You don't really need to go Singapore for that. Adam did that, but you can do it purely online too. There are a few major brokers that offer their services online, check them out 10 years is the one most trade on and most people monitoring. |
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 5 2008, 09:33 PM) As long as your asset is not RM denominated asset than basically you have already hedge against weak RM, be it in USD, AUD, Yen, GBP or global UT, ETF, gold (which I still think it is a poor investmnet even though it is rising for the last few year), US T-bill, etc.With current state of economy and gov budget deficit situation, RM won't be a strong currency for forseeable future. You see, even currently AUD has been plunging severely, more than 15% against USD in a month time (which is disastrous in term of forex market) but AUD just come down to around 2.80 only. Still way above my last few years of purchased price or decade ago (before 1997 crisis) around 2.2-2.3 only. When I saw AUD plunges severely against USD, instantly think, ya can buy cheap foreign currency again, who's know RM also sink together, just degree a bit lesser (may be due to RM still highly controlled, not a freely trade currency) I had never seen RM behave as a strong currency except prior before 1997 crisis when it is traded at 2.50 USD. But I won't say it will go to 4.00 USD or not, but 3.50 and above is easily reachable. Above is my opinion only. This post has been edited by cherroy: Sep 5 2008, 09:49 PM |
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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Sep 5 2008, 09:57 PM) Thanks Cherroy. Yes, you have the point. YTLpower almost half of the business is overseas, so weaker RM will make YTLpower profit higher from conversion gain. But you have to look at the bond issued is in what denominated as well. Not a straight forward answer.One more question, since ytl power income mostly from wessex water 70%. Then the pound conversion to RM will increase the EPS right? (Provided Pound does not depreciate). Thats one of the reason i like this stock. Correct me if i am wrong. |
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The problem of shorting FKLI at the moment, is that you have to paid huge massive discount to the buyer as now FKLI is trading at about 30 points discount to the cash market.
Futures market is indeed very wary about the political turmoil at the moment. |
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