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post Apr 6 2009, 02:05 PM

hai hai... kazuma dayo....
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as for me, E5 is a decent amp, portable and just nice for my iphone.... too bad i havent order the LOD yet, which is in no doubt will change my iphone sound....

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post Apr 6 2009, 07:15 PM

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LOD stands for what>?
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post Apr 6 2009, 07:43 PM

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QUOTE(chicaman @ Apr 6 2009, 07:15 PM)
LOD stands for what>?
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Line Out Dock - a cable that connects to the player's dock connector that draws out the line-out signal. Usually has an 3.5mm mini plug on the other end so user can plug into an portable amp.
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post Apr 6 2009, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(ClieOS @ Apr 6 2009, 07:43 PM)
Line Out Dock - a cable that connects to the player's dock connector that draws out the line-out signal. Usually has an 3.5mm mini plug on the other end so user can plug into an portable amp.
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Is LOD better than 3.5mm normal output?
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post Apr 6 2009, 09:59 PM

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it's supposed to be better... biggrin.gif
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post Apr 6 2009, 10:24 PM

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any reason or explanation behind that?
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post Apr 6 2009, 11:19 PM

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Here is how things work in DAP:

Music data -> CPU -> DAC -> AMP -> headphone.

DAC - Digital-to-Analog Converter, turns digital data to analog sound.

AMP - Amplifier, amplify the signal (music) from DAC to different set of gain (kind of like volume control).

In portable device, due to size restriction, the amp section is usually kept very simple and just enough to drive normal, easy to drive headphone. Some time, cheap SMD components (tiny resistor, capacitor, lousy chips) are used to cut cost and space - these result in a headphone signal that are sub-par. In order to extract as much sound quality as possible from the portable device, we use the line-out signal. Line-out means the signal is directly from the DAC, un-amplified (so it avoids all the sub-par components in the amp section). We connect the line-out to an external amp (which replace the function of the internal amp section), which hopefully will be a lot better than the internal amp and thus provide better SQ and more power to drive difficult-to-drive headphones.

Of course, the assumption is the internal amp is not going to be as good as (or as powerful as) the external amp you are going to use, or else the improvement will be really minimum (or none).
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post Apr 6 2009, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(ClieOS @ Apr 6 2009, 11:19 PM)
Here is how things work in DAP:

Music data -> CPU -> DAC -> AMP -> headphone.

DAC - Digital-to-Analog Converter, turns digital data to analog sound.

AMP - Amplifier, amplify the signal (music) from DAC to different set of gain (kind of like volume control).

In portable device, due to size restriction, the amp section is usually kept very simple and just enough to drive normal, easy to drive headphone. Some time, cheap SMD components (tiny resistor, capacitor, lousy chips) are used to cut cost and space - these result in a headphone signal that are sub-par. In order to extract as much sound quality as possible from the portable device, we use the line-out signal. Line-out means the signal is directly from the DAC, un-amplified (so it avoids all the sub-par components in the amp section). We connect the line-out to an external amp (which replace the function of the internal amp section), which hopefully will be a lot better than the internal amp and thus provide better SQ and more power to drive difficult-to-drive headphones.

Of course, the assumption is the internal amp is not going to be as good as (or as powerful as) the external amp you are going to use, or else the improvement will be really minimum (or none).
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Very detailed explanation bro, thumbs up for newbie like me. I learned new stuff today laugh.gif
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post Apr 7 2009, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(ClieOS @ Apr 6 2009, 11:19 PM)
Here is how things work in DAP:

Music data -> CPU -> DAC -> AMP -> headphone.

DAC - Digital-to-Analog Converter, turns digital data to analog sound.

AMP - Amplifier, amplify the signal (music) from DAC to different set of gain (kind of like volume control).

In portable device, due to size restriction, the amp section is usually kept very simple and just enough to drive normal, easy to drive headphone. Some time, cheap SMD components (tiny resistor, capacitor, lousy chips) are used to cut cost and space - these result in a headphone signal that are sub-par. In order to extract as much sound quality as possible from the portable device, we use the line-out signal. Line-out means the signal is directly from the DAC, un-amplified (so it avoids all the sub-par components in the amp section). We connect the line-out to an external amp (which replace the function of the internal amp section), which hopefully will be a lot better than the internal amp and thus provide better SQ and more power to drive difficult-to-drive headphones.

Of course, the assumption is the internal amp is not going to be as good as (or as powerful as) the external amp you are going to use, or else the improvement will be really minimum (or none).
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wow, at last, after so much of reading, and a lot of confusions when i read audiophilers discussion, now i know wat they mean!
so that is really wat it all means...

good stuff here, all so plain and easy to understand!

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post Apr 7 2009, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(ClieOS @ Apr 6 2009, 11:19 PM)
Here is how things work in DAP:

Music data -> CPU -> DAC -> AMP -> headphone.

DAC - Digital-to-Analog Converter, turns digital data to analog sound.

AMP - Amplifier, amplify the signal (music) from DAC to different set of gain (kind of like volume control).

In portable device, due to size restriction, the amp section is usually kept very simple and just enough to drive normal, easy to drive headphone. Some time, cheap SMD components (tiny resistor, capacitor, lousy chips) are used to cut cost and space - these result in a headphone signal that are sub-par. In order to extract as much sound quality as possible from the portable device, we use the line-out signal. Line-out means the signal is directly from the DAC, un-amplified (so it avoids all the sub-par components in the amp section). We connect the line-out to an external amp (which replace the function of the internal amp section), which hopefully will be a lot better than the internal amp and thus provide better SQ and more power to drive difficult-to-drive headphones.

Of course, the assumption is the internal amp is not going to be as good as (or as powerful as) the external amp you are going to use, or else the improvement will be really minimum (or none).
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That mean if there are no line out in our portable device, then it is not suitable for us to use external amplifier to amplify our portable device? hmm.gif

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post Apr 9 2009, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(Fred86 @ Apr 7 2009, 05:40 PM)
That mean if there are no line out in our portable device, then it is not suitable for us to use external amplifier to amplify our portable device?  hmm.gif
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It is not 'ideal', but you can still get good result from amping headphone-out as long as the headphone-out is very good in SQ and 'clean' (low noise).
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post Apr 10 2009, 11:38 AM

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i still hear good changes eventhou im using the stock cable with mini 3.5mm.
the bass is tighten and the isolation of music is quite good, but hopefully i'll be hearing more with the LOD...(hopefully... hahahaha!)
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post Apr 20 2009, 11:49 AM

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Okay. I just grab the Fiio E5 and I was thinking of changing the small and fine stock cable but I've no idea which one to choose and they're so many seller selling the DIY able out there at the music section. Will it shows improvement after changing the stock cable I wonder? hmm.gif

Attached Image This one

Attached Image this one

OR LOD

Attached Image this type better or this type Attached Image ?
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post May 13 2009, 09:27 PM

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Question.

How long usually does the E5 take for it to be fully charged?

Or just wait until the red light goes off regardless of the duration?
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post May 13 2009, 10:34 PM

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QUOTE(hirari @ May 13 2009, 09:27 PM)
Question.

How long usually does the E5 take for it to be fully charged?

Or just wait until the red light goes off regardless of the duration?
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Depends on the output of the USB adapter / port, but usually it is less tha 3 hrs... and yes, till the right light goes off.
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post May 15 2009, 10:18 PM

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anyone.....

juz asking if the E5 can go well with a Sennheiser HD555...

if not,... any recommandation on any other suitable portable amp.
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post May 15 2009, 10:28 PM

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go for mini 3 cheap2 onli
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post May 19 2009, 11:58 PM

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klipsch custom-1 and e5 tongue.gif good combo
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post May 20 2009, 12:32 AM

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I am compelled to ask.

What about iBasso T4?

Is there anyone here using it?

Is it still available in the market?
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post May 20 2009, 01:53 AM

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QUOTE(hirari @ May 20 2009, 12:32 AM)
I am compelled to ask.

What about iBasso T4?

Is there anyone here using it?

Is it still available in the market?
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T4 is still in the market. You can think of it as the refined E5 - better on all count but a lot more expensive.

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