In the telco wars, usually the one with the most bullets will win. In this case, YTLE seems to be the strongest player.

WiMAX is not DSL, WiMAX is meant for internet while on the go (which fixed broadband can NEVER do), so if you compare the performance of WiMAX and DSL in term of downloading files, then you are on the wrong track.

WiMAX shall only be compared to 3G HSDPA and IZZI.

I don't see how Amax is a threat to P1 at this point.

If there are a lot of users under one area shouldn't be problem, but if all users under the same area are doing p2p then everyone should equally slow down.

Are you working for AMAX? ... location of the basestation usually is confidential.

How wide can AMAX coverage expands with 30 basestations? On AMAX website mentions end of 2008 is entire KV but now already 2009, how many percent of KV is already covered?

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already state as a sigle user modem ma...
if u wanna try to share, try with Dlink DIR-655, but cost arround 400++ lor....

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Added on January 7, 2009, 9:34 pm

Company cam ni hanya tahu tinjau-2 dule baru invest xboleh last lama.
Tengok P1 mereka begitu aggressive dalam coverage expansion.

Amax?Kalau slowpoke cam ni bila baru dapat cover whole Malaysia?

End of next year baru cover Klang Valley x tak boleh buat bisness cam ni.
Sama jugak ngan Izzi.PAda pendapat saya dah mati kerana expansion sudah berhenti.Nak tambah base station pun susah kerana tak de modal.

By the way, Amax cukup modal ke?
P1 ada support Intel/GP and YTL ada CISCO/XOHM

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we wait n see either ur opinion is true or not....
diffrent company difrrent strategy.....hurm....dgr2 p1 pun dah melamar Huawei as their vendor....huhuhuhu dulu kutuk2 skrg belai2 plak ye...
by da way...as customer u all can compare lor which provider can make u feel happy...nanti tunggu pulak YTL launch their product.....after all u start to compare again....berterusan sampai bila pun tak tau....

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I believe irrespect to which ever vendors, the most important is how the service provider treats the subscribers. Similar to Digi, Maxis and Celcom, established operators from all around the world will use multi-vendor strategy to ensure competition in the market to deliver the best technology to the network.

My personal opinion is that AMAX won't have enough money to expand in the entire Malaysia (or even Klang Valley). Today on newspaper, it's saying AMAX encounters problem getting sites for expansion, weird why P1 can expand so fast while AMAX not able to despite their launching time is only about 2 weeks different.
Maybe AMAX is only waiting for people to buy over their company and wash hand from the WiMAX business.

I'm still waiting to see how WiMAX providers can think out of the box to sell something extraordinary besides of regular broadband internet.

You can't even reply a thread in proper malay language to protect your company.

To be exact, GPACKET is a local listed company.

To the subscribers, the service quality is always concern not the origin of the company, similarly most people don't support Proton

If you are in telco industry, you should know the 4 companies get their license not because of their capability anyway.

AMAX won't be able to survive unless they acquire external funding either from local or foreign big companies. Maybe TM will buy over AMAX

This post has been edited by p4n6: Jan 17 2009, 10:41 AM

In marketing point of view, putting up advertisement board is a way to create awareness and curiosity of the existing of a brand (it's called branding). If you don't believe me, try ask what's the first thing people think of when mentioning about WiMAX? It will be P1 W1MAX but not AMAX or YMAX. The point is that marketing not necessarily means selling.

I'm not surprised if the churn rate goes as high as 50 per day because they are offering free trial of 15 days, alot of curious people will tend to try and cancel when the due date arrives. I don't have friend working in P1, perhaps your friend can share with us how many intakes that P1 is getting but not just mentioning about the churn. Also, their network starts showing weird symptoms when the number of subs increases, in which most mobile operators in Malaysia or even in the world have gone thru the similar paths to reach maturity in the network. Maybe you can share how many users AMAX is having now, 1000 after 4 months of rollout? How about P1?

No doubt Asiaspace has alot of towers but why is it still so slow in term of rollout? This is so weird.

I believe MCMC has asked all the WiMAX operators to share infrastructure so I'm not suprised if P1 is renting towers from AMAX.

Hi Klodence, as you may need to understand, the founder and current group CEO of Green Packet is a Malaysian. If you go thru their annual report and company profile, all their board of directors are also Malaysians. Where are all the Americanos?

Yes, Green Packet is founded in USA but its HQ and operations are in Malaysia.

It makes sense for company to want to be listed in the USA, Shanghai or HK due to its high volume of transactions per day, but why a company wants to be listed in Malaysia?

It really depends how you want to see whether the company is a Malaysian company or foreign company ... solely by where it's founded or the major operation?

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Added on January 25, 2009, 12:35 am1. I fully agree with you that AMAX transmission cost will be cheaper as they own a lot of towers. Our previous comment is that ... why AMAX roll out still so slow despite they have all the towers for transmission? Why those that have problem to getting transmission still can go faster than those who already have all the towers ready? That's the first assumption we made that probably AMAX doesn't have the money to buy basestations to roll out. So having towers also won't serve any purpose. If you are with AMAX, maybe you can clarify this point.

You claim that you know RF planning and ask Mr Basher to check books from MPH, then why P1 can go faster than AMAX in term of rollout? AMAX has MoU with TM, Fiberails and alot of transmission towers ... so ... speedwise still slower? Are you saying AMAX RF Planning team are less competent as compared to P1?

2. As the previous post mentions, the forumer mentions "we should support AMAX because it's local company", my feedback is that "to the customer, the service quality is the concern but not the origin of the company". I never justify that AMAX quality is bad. So don't be so sensitive.

3. I have mentioned in previous post that GPACKET main HQ and operation is in Malaysia as well as of the founder and group CEO, and board of directors + major shareholders are Malaysians.

I'm sorry to say this but you are a little idiotic because Ericsson and Motorola are not public listed company in Malaysia. Just that they have company in Malaysia doesn't make them listed in Bursa. And I don't even know why you select them to be your example.

And you are right, DIGI is a local company ... any problem with that?

Do you actually understand why some companies want to get listed in US, Shanghai and HK but not in their country of origin? May I understand how often you see a foreign company (esp from US) gets listed in Bursa Malaysia?

Before you ask someone whether they do research, maybe you need to know more first. Thx.

4. AMAX signs MoU with TM and Fiberrail, is it means TM and Fiberail will provide fiber backhaul to AMAX free of charge? P1 also partnered with Fiberail, AIMS, Oracle and EMC ... so? Not that they are getting things for free. Do you know what's MoU?

5. To my understanding, I don't think YTLE will have issue with money as they have YTL behind them. YTLE would be the last to have money problem among the 4 license holders. And I also dun think they have problem getting sites, YTL is a developer, they have a lot of buildings . One of the reason I can think of is that maybe they don't see business case and the return doesn't serve a good value, if they throw the money into other businesses, maybe they can get more return than rolling out WiMAX. Not that they are not capable of rolling out, it's more like whether they feel it's wise to do so at the moment judging of the immature WiMAX tech. They might drop the license if there is no business case.

6. Digi and Maxis are bidding for the WiMAX license but not getting it, it's not just TM! And I don't know how the 4 companies can compare with Digi and Maxis in term of capability and roll out strategy.

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Added on January 25, 2009, 12:43 amSpeedtest is irrelevant as I'm pretty sure at this initial stage the speed test will be extremely beautiful but when their subscriber increases, you will see the difference. So it's more of how they manage their bandwidth when it comes to congestion and I'm pretty sure there will be congestion as WiMAX is a wireless technology, so the bandwidth will congest even faster than wired connection. And it claims AMAX doesn't impose quota limitation (as what did by Maxis, Celcom and P1), I wonder how they manage the bandwidth.

This post has been edited by p4n6: Jan 25 2009, 12:43 AM

WiMAX is a wireless broadband so the actual throughput is subject to RF environment, judging from your throughput, actually it's considered as not bad. Also, never know if the basestation could be congested or something.

As I mentioned previously, WiMAX technology is a standard, in term of throughput performance, they will all be the same. It's just how the optimization, number of sites, coverage and capacity management strategy of the basestation will determine the winner of the wimax war in Malaysia.

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Added on February 14, 2009, 11:11 amAs I mentioned, P1 definitely has better promotion, branding and marketing as compared to AMAX to boost their branding. I saw AMAX has some banner hanging in some area, however unlike P1, AMAX is more passive and hope customers will reach out to them, on the contrary, P1 is more pro-active and reaching out to the customers if you can see the way they promote their service in shopping mall, market, mamak store, broadband fair, etc etc. For those who took the PLUS to head home durng the CNY period, you should be able to see how agressive is the P1 W1MAX banner along the highway, I'm impressed. Their marketing is even stronger than StreamyX, Maxis and Celcom 3G. The only downside of P1 now is that their coverage is still small, imagine with this kinda pro active marketing strategy with a wide coverage ... they will definitely stand out to be the winner in the battle.

However, as a consumer and a potential customer of wimax, I prefer to see more healthy competition in between all the wimax operators.

Wake up AMAX and Wake up YMAX.

Honestly, some people are just to lazy to think of a name ... haha imagine P1 W1MAX is called PMAX .. lol ...

This post has been edited by p4n6: Feb 14 2009, 11:11 AM

Based on news reporting from all major newsgroup/ magazine, P1 is using ALU End to End, not sure where is your news on Nortel.
Show us the news reporting else it's hard to believe you since your track record of your claim is quite questionable.

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Added on March 11, 2009, 1:56 pmPrice is quite reasonable but what's the coverage?

This post has been edited by p4n6: Mar 11 2009, 01:56 PM

Thanks.

I follow their site since day one of their launch being very excited of their service.

But judging from the list, I think AMAX should change the tag line of covering KV end of 2009.

The number of coverage area is exactly the same as of the day AMAX launch on August 2008 (6 months now)

• Taman Tun Dr Ismail (TTDI)
• Kelana Jaya
• Subang Jaya
• Subang USJ
• Technology Park Malaysia (TPM)
• Bandar Bukit Jalil
• Bandar Puchong Jaya
• Bandar Sri Petaling
• Taman Maluri, Cheras
• Bkt Anggerik, Cheras

Is AMAX waiting for buyers?

This is something very interesting, meaning users can enjoy dedicated leased line

Can you provide minimum guaranteed bandwith instead of best effort?
There is no ‘best effort’ in our agreement and all our subscribers are enjoying the bandwidth published in our brochures.
However we cannot provide a Guarantee because we do not control all the links to the Internet. This is normal for all other ISPs.

This post has been edited by p4n6: Mar 24 2009, 09:03 AM

It's true WiMAX can reach a distance of 50km.
However, it's not meant for point-to-multipoint solution as what P1 and AMAX are offering.

The 50km solution is meant for point-to-point implementation where both end will have powerful antenna to transmit and receive the signal.

RF planning is more complicated then measuring the distance from basestation to the location you want using a ruler.

The cell radiu is determined by the law of physics, no mobile technology can runaway from that.

Looks like their internet transit begins to start congesting already.

I wonder how many wimax subscribers they are having now that causing such problem.

But I believe it's a small hiccup ... they willing to pay more for their internet transit, problem will be solved.

Hope AMAX will work on their monitoring system before shit happens next time.

This post has been edited by p4n6: May 3 2009, 11:34 PM

Hope that would maintain when the number of subs increases.

Because business package pays higher that's why it can get fixed IP.
IP is scarce resource like oil, not to mention unless for business purpose you won't be needing fixed IP anyway.

LOL ... do you call Nokia/SE/LG/Samsung to complain about Maxis network service problem?

I believe AMAX advertised they do not cap anything but I dunno how honest are they on keeping the promise.
If the operator wanna cap you from downloading movies, there is no way you can bypass them!

How often is the IP address change? Is it mean disconnection or the lease time of the IP is too short? By right, the the device should request for the same IP.

AMAX has shut down and will wait for company to buy over their company for the spectrum they own.

However, with good relationship with the government, this company manages to acquire additional 20Mhz of valuable license which can be used for LTE in the future.

Note: Without offering any service, AMAX manages to acquire additional 20Mhz. At the meantime, Maxis, Digi, Celcom, U, P1 and YTL need to spend billions to build up their service to prove to MCMC in order to get the license.

So, no need to wait for the service to back up.

AMAX is only pending for bigger telco to buy over now.

It depends on the new buyer and how they going to manage the existing subscribers.
Maybe they will contact you for a modem swap to enjoy other broadband service.

On newspaper, they claim they are upgrading their microwave transmission and blame TM is charging expensive on the backhaul which is bullshit, if want to upgrade microwave transmission link they need not to bring down the entire network. Not to mention their subscribers count are not as many as compared to other ISP, I don't think they are needing high capacity for their microwave transmission and backhaul.

Out of the 4 WiMAX ISP, only two are actually making things work.

REDTONE in Sabah & Sarawak also no sound - they are offering to Enterprise and not benefiting regular consumers.