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post Aug 17 2008, 12:18 AM, updated 18y ago

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Hi, really sick of renting house! Wana buy house ASAP !

Do u think this is an good investment?
and am I afford to buy it?
Really lack of experience in buying property.Appreciate if anyone could help me out, see what have I lack of or what i have missed. Million Thanks.

Property:
Price of the Property: RM165000
Terms of Loan (yrs): 30
Interest Rate :5.99 %
Down Payment : RM16500
Monthly Payment:RM889
Rental: RM1000-1200
Maintenance: RM100-120
Type: Apartment, lease hold (now I believe is ald 25+-years old)
Condition: Old, near LRT, quite low class and messy.. but i think many ppl will willing to rent because is near to LRT and shopping complex, near city center

Personal Finance:
Salary:RM3000 (able to save RM1200 - RM1500 every month)
EPF: RM 10000
Savings: RM12000



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post Aug 17 2008, 12:53 AM

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Actually, Im not sure whats the lowest rate right now...just simply calculate from iproperty calculator. so whats the best rate in town?

VpowerZone, thanks for your prompt.


Added on August 17, 2008, 12:56 am
QUOTE(ed0gawa @ Aug 17 2008, 12:24 AM)
Interest rate 5.99%?
I guess it is those fixed rate by AIA?

Anyway, the monthly installment is RM900
Your salary is RM3000.

RM900/3000 = 30%
If you do not have other commitments, i believe you should be able to get your loan approved easily.
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Hi ed0gawa,
What I concern is ....is it worth to buy a 20+ apartment for investment?

and with my financial right now, targeting RM165k - RM220K property.. is it a wise move? or I need to wait until my salary increase (of cos with EPF) ?

I got no commitment at this moment. Im 26 years old.

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post Aug 17 2008, 10:00 AM

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QUOTE(donki85 @ Aug 17 2008, 12:38 AM)
1st of all u need to get a credit card for 3 months if u dont have other commitment coz they need it for ur credit evaluation CRISS.

Is a good investment as house price tends to appreciate(in most case) compare to car which is a definite depreciation

With a house u think u can rent out some rooms to cover ur rent if it is too taxing

if u r interested in getting housing loan kindly contact me as i provide below the market rate loan
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yes, I got credit card already. it is still a good investment if the house already 20-30 years old? but the location is very good la.. near LRT
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post Aug 17 2008, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(donki85 @ Aug 17 2008, 01:19 AM)
As a financial adviser (not qualified yet in msia)

U should aim upgrowing towns for a better house compare to old 2nd hand house. And with ur savings capability i advice you to go for more exp house reason being

When u r saving ur $$ in bank basically u r losing money bit by bit, even though you are earning FD type of interest u r still losing money as inflation of msia is recorded on average of 6-7% p.a. and for this quarter in msia is it reported at 7% already. As inflation eats up the VALUE of the amount of your SAVINGS and INTEREST is to soften ur depreciation of ur value for your money.

Why target new house instead of 2nd hand house?
New house sold by developer are generally in its basic price and it will normally appreciate due to real estate agents and property investment going in. Where else the price of 2nd hand house are normally being mark-up to up-to-date market value of the house or worst be mark up by ridiculous real estate agents(if u r buying from them most likely this will happen)

Things to look at for a good house that will appreciate
1. Surrounding infrastructure (roads, commercial areas, school, hospitals, police stations, petrol, the condition of the utility surrounding the area.
2. People (surrounding houses are low cost or medium cost or luxury bunglow, security and ur neighborhood basically)
3. Price (survey the median price for the property similar to yours)
4. Developer (if possible buy from prominent developer e.g Sime Darby, IOI, PKNS) as their property sell like hot cakes most of the time (due to strategic planning) which also means ur property will appreciate and fetch good rental returns

Some tips of uprising property price (AGGRESIVE)

Shah Alam (sek 7) Bandar Seri Permaisuri Puchong, Kota Damansara

Ur MOR (margin of repayment or repayment capability) can easily get a 250k loan approved

I would suggest u wait for another bonus before buying a house as there are many hidden costs will incur

e.g. Lawyer fee, renovation, furniture, stamping which will cost up to 10k (depending on the price of ur property) normally it is around there

NOTE: Things to look out for when getting loan.

When u plan to get a housing loan (given u r going to hold the house for 5 or more years) opt for those that provide FREE LAWYER FEE (normally they will tell u ZEC (zero entry cost) or FMC (free moving cost)) When they offer u such MAKE SURE THAT IT IS PAID BY THE BANK OR FINANCIAL INSTITUTION AND NOT ABSORBED INTO UR LOAN AS IF IT IS ABSORB U HAVE TO PAY INTEREST FOR THAT AS WELL WHICH CAN COST A BOMB!!!

please pay attention to abovementioned note

if they give u bullshyt about no1 pay for the lawyer fee go for other bank/financial institution
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hi donki85,

Thanks for your generous advise.
I wish to buy new house (landed better) but with my earning power and cash on hand, I only able to buy an 200k+- apartment. Im working in center of city. If buying a house with my current cash on hand, I only can buy house located far from the place i work i.e shah alam, puchong ( I do not have transport, travel by LRT to work).

Yeah, it is true that there are many hidden cost. Ill take note of that.

Loan:
normally whats the procedure applying loan? pay deposit to owner--> apply loan --> or apply load--> pay deposit?

Really appreciate if anyone can enlighten me, noob noob here.. tongue.gif


Added on August 17, 2008, 10:42 am
QUOTE(Pai @ Aug 17 2008, 10:22 AM)
Kanasai, mind sharing with us where is this place? smile.gif

Was in the same situation as you when I looked for my 1st property(was looking for a < 180k property) almost 3 years ago, perhaps I could share with you what I knew.
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Hi Pai, of cos.

The place is near University LRT station



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post Aug 17 2008, 12:12 PM

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QUOTE(muscaa @ Aug 17 2008, 11:52 AM)
buying for own use or rental/investment?
If own use, the place you mentioned (University station) may not be a great place to stay. The LRT is very convenient anyway.
The units nearby that area ?vista is very old. But cant complain much as the price is cheap (160k+)
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Yes, is vista !

ok, my plan is like this... Ill buy a unit in vista to stay + rent out (since im single, my rental now is RM1150). Will consider another units when plan to marry (wont be in Vista, the environment...err...sucks).

I can see UOA is building bangsar south here, and trying to make the environment better ( bustop, road side....), but another concern is when UOA "built" the bangsar south, Vista will become depreciated?

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post Aug 17 2008, 12:25 PM

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QUOTE(livingmonolith @ Aug 17 2008, 12:16 PM)
i think i know which ad you saw. but is it for your own stay or for investment? from the headline you sound like you're buying to stay but there are mentions of rental, so i'm a little bit confused.

personally for me, vista angkasa is not a good place for own stay, have you visited any units there? if you getting it for investment purposes i think you'll more likely attract students rather than families, but that's your choice if you want to choose your tenants.

btw, 5.99% should be AIA, good if you're looking for fixed rate whole tenure. i think alliance bank offers a better deal, but your preference matters most really. since you're browsing iproperty already, which don't you search for it and compare? smile.gif
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Hi livingmonolith,

Actually im renting a house in Vista now (RM1150)
what in my mind is, is better to own a unit rather than rent from people with this kind of rental.

My plan is buy a unit, own stay and also rent room to people. and this is what i do now, rent a whole unit, then rent other rooms to people so that i can cover some.

Do u think a 20-30years old unit worth RM165k?

I have compare the price around...is almost around that price, depend on which block. What loan are you suggest? Im using 5.99% because i wan to estimate more instead of estimate min.

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post Aug 17 2008, 06:32 PM

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QUOTE(agape_ian @ Aug 17 2008, 05:06 PM)
Depends on the apartment's condition. It is a good buy if it's well maintained. Usually properties near LRT amenities will have good rental and they usually have a better price tag when it comes to selling.

Based on your financial condition, I think you should be able to support. Don't forget to take the hidden cost, maintenance fees, etc into account.

All the best to you!
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Hi agape_ian

say the apartment already 30 years old. after 69 years, it wont belong to be?

or say like this, year by year, my property will depreciate because is lease hold?
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post Aug 17 2008, 07:24 PM

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QUOTE(VpowerZone @ Aug 17 2008, 06:51 PM)
Once the lease expires, the land reverts to the state. The owner will then have to apply for a renewal of the lease.

About depreciation, because it's lease hold doesnt mean the property actual market value will drop.
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Hi VpowerZone,

we can apply to renew the ownership? how if Im dead and leave the property to my son, can he apply ? Since the property is won by him already..

mm...then y should have lease and freehold? since its renewable... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
sorry...maybe got other reason i duno.
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post Aug 18 2008, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Aug 18 2008, 12:02 AM)
Bro, seriously think u shouldnt go for this Vista, its just teribly mantained and price will hardly appreciate given its current condition and management office. Suggest you topup a bit and go for Panorama studios(rent is RM1.1k-1.5k) OR the 3bed hillpark instead. At least these are condo's with decent  facilities, security and most important, future capital gains potential.

Good luck hunting  wink.gif
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Hi Pai,
Actually one of the reason I choose Vista is because my own self too. I do not have transport to work, i need to rely on LRT. But erm, is not an bad option too choosing Panorama & Hillpark.
How does the pricing look like for 3 bed rooms in panorama? rental ?

Hill park is quite far for me, unless I buy a car first. but but but ... if I buy car...sure will delay my plan to buy house. cry.gif

Am I too rush? I really sick of renting people's house any more.
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post Aug 18 2008, 12:49 AM

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QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Aug 18 2008, 12:38 AM)
my advice is , don't buy a property just bcoz u wanto get rid of renting house. by renting , u get to stay in a house cheaper than instalment , free of debt , can change house every yr if u wanto, no need to worry about BLR fluctuation, least worry about monthly maintenance fee if any and tenants problem. there are also alot of fees involved like fire insurance n assessment.

looka at the money u r paying for legal fees n S&P n bank interest , this amount of money can probably pay ur 2-3yr rental for room, allowing u to save enuf to buy a house for ur permanent stay in 3yrs time.

btw, i m still renting a  landed house worth 600K while paying rental of rm230 for my own room, at the same time receiving rental from the apartment i rented out.
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Hi YewKhuay,

Is first house important? I mean it will delay your plan to buy second house if not careful? ermm...i think no matter how, I still need to buy my own house. But er... is it a good time (i mean with my financial, condition & market)?

How's my plan look like? Buy an apartment some where else, rent out (around RM100-200 profit), then I rent a small room for ownself at vista (cos I still need stick to LRT)?

Sorry ya..youngster always rush rush... notworthy.gif




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post Aug 18 2008, 08:09 PM

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QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Aug 18 2008, 01:34 AM)
erm, there is no best timing to buy a house, get ur intention clear : y u wanto buy a property? investment or self stay ? for investment purpose , u can find out how n where n which to buy for make ur money work for u. for permanent stay, u wanto get a nice one at good location , which at the moment, might not be possible.

U might also wanto consider, u r able to save 1200-1500/m now, wat other options do u have to make sure these money grow so tht ur goal to get a good place for own stay will come true asap. and u also wanto consider , even though u can afford the apartment now, IF anything happen to u, do u have a reserve fund of 6-12months tht support ur expenses n instalment. if u havent got a car, is buying a car in ur 3-5yrs plan ?

About ur plan, looking at the property tittle n age, i won't buy, even at 120K. if u wanto buy for investment , when is ur exit ?

I might give u too much considerations to think, but if u choose tht u wanto buy tht property , i will also support u by coaching u how to work towards tht goal.
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Hi Sifu notworthy.gif ,
Thats why I love LYN, many sifus here. rclxms.gif tongue.gif

My intention is clear. I want it as investment, probably around PJ/KL near LRT. I think will look at Pai's list in another thread. Plan to have another house after I have my own family (targeting 5 years), worst case stay in the first property that Im hunting now.

I know with such income, is kinda hard to have a house. But I think if I rent out, it should able to cover back (if not, partially). You are right, I might lacking of backup now. Targeting 3 months backup now. For car, I think is should be in these 2 years too, due to nature of my job is required travel. I know is a lil risky at the same time buying both house and car, but i think ... however first step must start somewhere else, right? maybe this is a naive thinking, if sifus around got any comment, please enlighten me.

Thank you yewkhuay for open my mind. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif


Added on August 18, 2008, 8:14 pm
QUOTE(suiteng @ Aug 18 2008, 09:21 AM)
Buying house just because sick of rent? You've gotta re-evaluate your words.

Buy house needs downpayment. You have the $$?

After buy house, maybe you need to wait for construction. Even if you buy completed property, you wait for transfer. You have the time?

Rent out rooms earn some $$. How long it take for you to earn back your dp?

Salary - housing loan = balance. Enough?
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hmm.gif hmm.gif
You got your point, seems like you are planing to rent a house forever. Well, individual preference.

I wish to have my own house, just the time matter. and I have the time, time can arrange one ma... tongue.gif

Salary - housing loan = balance. Enough? I think change a lil bit lifestyle should b enough.


Added on August 18, 2008, 8:20 pm
QUOTE(agape_ian @ Aug 18 2008, 01:48 PM)
You might want to ask the management to apply a renewal for the lease since they have 69years to go. Check with the management office before buying. I think it will cost a couple hundreds for ringgit for the renewal. Not so sure myself. You better check.

I don't think the property will depreciate alot because it is leasehold. Many properties in Mutiara Damansara are leasehold but they are appreciating alot. But 1 thing for sure is Freehold property can sell higher and easier.


Added on August 18, 2008, 1:49 pm

If the management is bad, I suggest you to look for other options. Pai was right.
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Hi agape_ian,

hmm.gif hmm.gif let say the the lease period only left 5 years, would the pricing of the property going down crazy compare to price when I bought? I believe more or less will be affected rite?

flex.gif better look for freehold...but not easy to get leh with this kind of budget and requirement... sweat.gif sweat.gif unless got ghost..haha tongue.gif

But still will survey around, if required, I might top up a lil bit. sad.gif

Yeah, Pai was right, the management there....not that bad, is REALLY x 999 bad. 2 Lifts, can spoil 1, for several months (reason: not enough fund to repair it) And I know may tenant refuse to pay the maintenance fees as they never improve the surrounding over there i.e. new paint or whatever....

BUT yet, there are still many peoples, are willing to stay there, as it's really convenience to workers or students (near LRT, Midvalley, UM, TARC).

I got another option, which is University tower, anyone know bout that area?


Added on August 18, 2008, 8:27 pm
QUOTE(muscaa @ Aug 18 2008, 01:58 PM)
Is your office nearby vista? If you dont have vehicle and your salary can afford the home loan then i should say vista is a good buy.
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Hi Muscaa,
My office can access by LRT, but I think I wont stay in the same office for long. Moreover, my job nature requires me to travel. Im in IT. So, car is my second priority.

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post Aug 20 2008, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(suiteng @ Aug 20 2008, 11:47 AM)
map san wub.gif My snakes are doing fine here, don't worry, I will not release it to kanasai laugh.gif

Basically most youngster rush rush wanna buy a house coz dun wanna pay rent. That was my thinking in the earlier days (why pay rent for something that doesn't belong to you?) which landed me into a big financial crisis.

Luckily now, I'm out of it and it started to generate income. Although there's income from rent, but owner always bear risk because the loan is under the owner's name, not tenant.
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Hai, Suiteng, still angry meh ...

share your experience with freshie like me la.. notworthy.gif notworthy.gif notworthy.gif


Added on August 20, 2008, 7:37 pm
QUOTE(Pai @ Aug 20 2008, 01:38 PM)
eh sifu, cerita lah sikit in detail so that we could all learn tongue.gif
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I second that ! icon_idea.gif


Added on August 20, 2008, 7:39 pm
QUOTE(kanasai88 @ Aug 20 2008, 07:23 PM)
Hai, Suiteng, still angry meh ...

share your experience with freshie like me la.. notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif  notworthy.gif


Added on August 20, 2008, 7:37 pm
I second that !  icon_idea.gif
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eh ! where is all my reply ? all gone...


Added on August 20, 2008, 7:42 pm
QUOTE(yewkhuay @ Aug 19 2008, 02:04 AM)
1st of all, i m not sifu, i m just happen to have a lil more experience than u in buying property.
you are la, anyone better than me is my sifu  notworthy.gif

Here is the thing u have to do , REGARDLESS which property u target now as an investment, and ur mind is clear tht it is an investment, U DO NOT take rental tht only partially cover the loan instalment, tht is called subsidizing tenants to stay ur place while taking risk on ur finance. ur money could serve u better in FD / UT.
I agreed

and , 3months reserve is not enuf, targetting a reserve is a NO, reserve of min 6months is a MUST. b4 u have this, forget about any investment, u r risking ur LIFE.

DO some maths here shall we ? say u earn 3K now and u get a property tht cost u monthly instalment of 1200 inclusive of maintanence fee, u cannot get a car loan with ur current financial standing in 2yrs. even if u managed to rent ur unit out to cover ur instalment, u still need to save up d/payment for ur car in 2yrs, Notice how ur money leave ur account into ur house d/payment and  legal fees, u have 3months reserve as u TARGET, then u have to save 2yrs for car d/payment.

then like u say having ur family in 5yrs time with another new place (probably a better n more expensive) , take out ur 2yrs saved for car d/payment, u have now another 3yrs to work on this new house n new family. It is possible, the question here is : How much do u need to save in the next 5yrs ? How much ur income should catch up to make sure ur savings are always enuf for the every 2-3yrs big spending? What kinda life u will be living for the next 5yrs to have ur targets achieved?

Looks like I have to delay my car plan if I wana buy a house now. Well, as for my family house, Im planning to get my future wife in ...hehe  whistling.gif

If u don't have any answer for the questions or u have answers tht u don't like to face, u might wanto reconsider ur plan or work out another plan.

the investment tht u r talking here is big n low liquidity, u might wanto find out wat other investment tht can actually gives u similiar return but lower risk n higher flexibility yet manageable.

aha! What do you suggest ?[COLOR=red]

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Added on August 20, 2008, 7:45 pm
QUOTE(suiteng @ Aug 19 2008, 08:26 AM)
I'm giving my point. You're making assumption on me. Do you want me to list out the number of properties I have in hand? tongue.gif Becareful of the things you say if you're asking for advice.
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Hi suiteng

eh, dun la like that, I really mean nothing here. I do have some friends who feel that renting room for the rest of his life is better than buying a house and i respect them, is their preference ma.

I really not mean to hurt u notworthy.gif sorry sorry.


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post Aug 20 2008, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE(map @ Aug 19 2008, 08:34 AM)
sui teng sannn  wub.gif and tell them about the snakes!

well, before buy property, you need to ask yourself if you have enough funds. having insufficient money in the long run happens alot. there's a reason why "bank lelong" exists.
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yeah yeah.. let ur snake out. tongue.gif


fund ar... just ngam ngam only, and sifus here are right.. I need some bullets first. But anyhow, I will keep hunting start from now.


er...why my previous reply all gone ar?


Added on August 20, 2008, 7:50 pm
QUOTE(Spartacus 2.0 @ Aug 20 2008, 07:47 PM)
I sympathise, as I was in your situation once.  But you don't have enough RM to buy a house-lah. Assuming you get 90% margin of finance (and that's a big IF ... if I'm not mistaken, AIA/ING offers 80% or 85% MOF only), you need to fork out RM16,500.  Don't forget about S&P legal fees, which should be around RM4k+. And what about furnishing and other misc expenses?

And there's valuation. Valuers are not always logical ... what if he values your house at only RM150k?

If you proceed to buy a house now, you risk losing your deposit?
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nod.gif quite true.. maybe Im too rush ald..


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