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post Feb 5 2009, 08:38 PM

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32 two days have passed ....
currently my afs scorplings are around 2cm to 4 cm ..2nd instar ..
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all feeding well on cut up pieces of mealworms and crickets...

23 nos since they are born.
sold 6 nos away.since..
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left 17 nos smile.gif


i observe that these scorpling grew faster in size when they are in a group then individual housed ...

any one has any comments or other observations regarding this ???

some pics to share smile.gif

from these to these as of 05/02/09

cheers


when they are born
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after their 1st molt
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as of now tongue.gif
05/02/09
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post Feb 5 2009, 09:21 PM

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QUOTE(rideon @ Feb 5 2009, 09:55 PM)
how much your willing to sell each?? if price ok i want to buy more than 2...
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hmmmm got abit of problems as i dun reali know how to sent via post .........
meaning i dun reali know how to pack them for postage ..
i scare later DOA

can anyone here have any advise ???


Added on February 5, 2009, 9:22 pm
QUOTE(yhuii @ Feb 5 2009, 09:58 PM)
bro,my scorpling now almost like yours.thats mean how many instar???haha...u got a lot man.how to take care.haha..
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hmmm mine are 2nd instar .. 32 days old tongue.gif

hmmm how big are yours ??? maybe u can post a pic and the seniors here can help .. tongue.gif me newbie too tongue.gif drool.gif

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post Feb 5 2009, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(yhuii @ Feb 5 2009, 10:35 PM)
sorry if not very clear ....i think this is the biggest 1.
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i think urs in bigger than mine smile.gif
wat is the length ???


btw .... these are my afs scorplings housed on own it .... i think it is abit fat ....
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post Feb 6 2009, 10:57 AM

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QUOTE(yhuii @ Feb 6 2009, 11:55 AM)
omg soo fat i thk become obesity liao....
lolz...1 week eat how mnay times ....
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used to eat 2 to 3 times weekly .. but now stop eating ...

i think cannot eat anymore le icon_idea.gif
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post Feb 6 2009, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(opalish_ice @ Feb 6 2009, 12:05 PM)
lol my scorplings like that also. But after molt thin again.
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does that meams it is going to molt ??? brows.gif
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post Feb 6 2009, 11:33 AM

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YES
CAN LIAO smile.gif
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post Feb 6 2009, 12:10 PM

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i saw a few in jb smile.gif afs ...

size about8 cm to 9cm

sex unkown .................... drool.gif

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post Feb 7 2009, 09:31 AM

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i was wondering ...excatly wat extent of damage can mites do the the scorpion ????

can it cause death to the scorpion ???
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post Feb 7 2009, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(opalish_ice @ Feb 7 2009, 10:32 AM)
no it doesn't. It's just plain ugly. But no, it doesn't kill them.
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i understand these mites will suck blood from the host animal ...........then the cyle start again and again reproduce and grew in numbers in a short time ... cause irretation to the host ...

am i correct ?
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post Feb 7 2009, 11:34 AM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Feb 7 2009, 12:12 PM)
Booklung, below their abdomen...
Anw, my new scorp
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QUOTE(junshern222 @ Feb 7 2009, 10:54 AM)
they are aiming for a layer of water in the scorpion's body i think..

u will probably drown ur scorpion when u were drowning the mites.
anw,this is what i did.
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tat is a veri gd ides .. why i never tot of that ...

the opening is where you can safety apply the gasoline on the mites to rid them...

am iright ??? icon_idea.gif
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post Feb 7 2009, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Feb 7 2009, 12:37 PM)
Gasoline? O.O
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sorry i mean the chemical like froniter or ,.. hmmm i forget the name...

thoses chemical that rid mites ... blush.gif

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post Feb 7 2009, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Feb 7 2009, 11:53 AM)
Ur mites come from cricket?
Those with wing?
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i think mites are from dead crickets ...
am i correct ???

how about dead superworms and meal worms ... do they produce mites ... or magots ?? hmm.gif


Added on February 7, 2009, 11:55 am
QUOTE(HuonHengChai @ Feb 7 2009, 12:41 PM)
I rather used garden soil then tissue papers.
Go to the gardening section.
This method looks familiar... is this your doing ryo?


Added on February 7, 2009, 11:41 am

Vaseline
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thanks ... thumbup.gif


yap is call vaseline and not gasoline doh.gif smile.gif sweat.gif


Added on February 7, 2009, 11:58 ambtw .... this is my mama and papa afs...

i moved them to another bigger conatainer.... smile.gif

used vercimte , potting soil and coco -fibre as bedding smile.gif

mama is fat again .. not sure pregent again or from over feeding ....

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sorry for blur pics .... my HTC touch pda phone camera sucks
cheeers

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post Feb 7 2009, 01:24 PM

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hi

some info from the internet regarding life cycle ...
juz to share

Life Cycle
Scorpions live from two years to as long as 25 years in captivity. Most species mature within a year or two. They go through ecdysis/molting and there are no significant changes except when males reach maturity their pectines (combs, sensory appendages) increase in size and the pedipalp chelae (hands) also become more robust in many species. The stages between each molt, beginning with immediately after birth, are called instars (i.e., a newborn scorpion is in its first instar). There are no more molts upon reaching maturity, which is usually in the 6th-9th instar depending on the species.

So essentially, if you have a '2nd instar' Desert Hairy Scorpion, it means that the animal has went through ONE molt so far (See The Nothing's Post). After typically 6 or 7 molts (possibly more, depending on the species) the animal will become adult, from subadult.

So i think new born/Scorplings are 1st Instar, their first Molt/Moult would take them into their 2nd Instar stage.

They undergo a complex courtship which has been called "promenade a deux". Gestation lasts from about 2-5 months (mostly buthids) to as long as 18 months. The scorpions are born alive, are truly vivparous, but oddly enough, there are two developmental types: apoikogenic and katoikogenic. Similar to ovoviviparity, apoikogenic scorpions are born with an outer covering and are gestationally nourished with yolk (Iuridae and Vaejovidae have very small amounts), but also receive some nutrients from the mother through the membrane and are therefore not truly ovoviviparous. Katiokogenic scorpions are born without a covering and lack yolk. Katoikogenic scorpions are unique in all invertebrates in that the embryos are nourished directly from the mother via an oral feeding apparatus called a diverticulum.



book lung
is a type of respiration organ used for atmospheric gas exchange and is found in arachnids, such as scorpions and spiders. Each of these organs is found inside a ventral abdominal cavity and connects with the surroundings through a small opening. Book lungs are not related to the lungs of modern land-dwelling vertebrates. Their name describes their structure. Stacks of alternating air pockets and hemolymph-filled tissue gives them an appearance similar to a "folded" book.[1] Their number varies from just one pair in most spiders to four pairs in scorpions. Sometimes the book lungs can be absent and the gas exchange is performed by the thin walls inside the cavity instead, with its surface area increased by branching into the body as thin tubes called tracheae. It is possible that the tracheae have evolved directly from the book lungs, because in some spiders the tracheae have a small number of greatly elongated chambers. Many arachnids, like mites and harvestmen (Opiliones), have no traces of book lungs and breathe through tracheae or through their body surface only.



cheers

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some info i tot is may be useful tongue.gif

Glossary of Terms and Words used throughout
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Aculeus:
The point at the end of the Telson/Stinger section.
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Arachnida:
A large class of arthropods that are mostly air-breathing by means of trachea or book lungs, that include the spiders and scorpions, mites, and ticks, and that have a segmented body divided into two regions of which the anterior bears four pairs of legs but no antennae.
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Arid:
Lacking moisture, especially having insufficient rainfall to support trees or woody plants: an arid climate.
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Arboreal / Arboreous:
While this is mainly related to Tree dwelling Scorpions, it means pertaining to Trees or to be Tree like. Arboreous would indicate a Tree Dwelling animal or species.
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Arthropods:
Invertebrate animals of the phylum Arthropoda, including Arachnids, Crustaceans, Insects and myriapods. Generally referring to Creatures that are defined by having an Exo Skeleton with segmented bodies and paired articulated jointed limbs/appendages.
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Book Lungs:
Scorpions have 4 pairs of Book Lungs which they breathe through. As their name indicates, they are folded like a book.
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Carapace:
In arachnids, the carapace or peltidium is formed by the fusion of prosomal tergites into a single plate which carries the eyes, ocularium, ozopores (a pair of openings of the scent gland of Opiliones) and diverse phaneres. In a few orders, such as Solifugae and Schizomida it may be subdivided.
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Carnivore:
Flesh eating, eater of Flesh.
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Chela:
Pincers or Pedipalps, the front set of limbs used for gripping things with which give Scorpions one of their most recognised features.
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Chelicerae:
Pincer like mouth parts that are very articulate.
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CITES Listed:
Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora.
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Colony:
2 or more Scorpions sharing the same enclosure or living space where the can interact with each other.
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Exoskeleton / Exo Skeleton:
Cuticle or outer shell like case. Tough outer "skin" that protects the inhabitant.
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Faunarium:
Is a Plastic Terrarium.
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Genital Operculum:
Genital operculum covers the reproductive organs of the scorpions (genital orifice of females). In the male, the genital operculum is completely separate. A pair of genital papillae may protrude from the posterior part of the operculum for males of some species.
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Gravid:
A pregnant Female Scorpion.
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Humidity:
Humidity is the amount of water in the air.
Water exists in three different forms:
liquid, solid (ice), and gas (steam).
Humidity refers to the quantity of water in its gaseous form,
or water vapour, that is in the air.
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Indigenous:
Native of a Place or Area, place of origin.
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Instar:
Stage of development of a Scorpion, new born/Scorplings are 1st Instar, their first Molt/Moult would take them into their 2nd Instar stage.
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Invertebrates:
A Creature with no backbone.
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Metasoma:
The main part of the "Tail" of a Scorpion.
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Molt/Moult:
Shedding of the outer Exo Skeleton/Skin/Shell.
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Nocturnal:
A creature that lives primarily at night time and hides or sleeps during daylight hours.
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Papillae:
A small nipple like projection.
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Peat:
Peat is an accumulation of partially decayed vegetation matter.
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Pectines:
A body structure or organ resembling a comb.
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Pedipalps:
Chela or Pincers, the front set of limbs used for gripping things with, these are one of a Scorpions most recognised features.
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Sclerotization:
The hardening of a Scorpions Exoskeleton after a Molt/Moult.
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Scorplings:
Scorpion young, baby scorpions.
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Substrate:
They type of surface or covering to be used for your Scorpions Enclosure, such as Peat or Vemiculite.
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Telson:
The Stinger, part of the Scorpions tail containing the Sting section.
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Terrarium:
A small enclosure or closed container in which selected living plants and sometimes small land animals,
such as turtles and lizards, are kept and observed.
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Terrestrial:
Living on or in the ground; not aquatic, arboreal, or aerial. One that lives on the land, as opposed to in water or in the trees.
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Vivarium:
An enclosed area/Enclosure that can contain an ecosystem to sustain Plants or Creatures not usually native to the place they are being kept. This can be either in the form of a Glass or Plastic tank type, or a mesh structure through to a Wooden Hybrid of the previous materials. It can be used to support or house many types of creatures or fauna.
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Viviparous:
A Creature that gives birth to live young.

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post Feb 7 2009, 01:46 PM

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QUOTE(yhuii @ Feb 7 2009, 02:44 PM)
wao...u did a lot research.
haha...
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actually juz copy n paste blush.gif sweat.gif
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post Feb 8 2009, 11:04 PM

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Hi guys ...

i m back ... wheee... a tiring weekend.. anyone miss me ???? LOL blush.gif

finally got my hands on my PC n DC... took some clearer pics of my new AFS setup..
wanted to share with you guys ... icon_idea.gif

let continue with scorpions talks V2 rclxm9.gif can't wait for v3


enclousre abit wet .. juz spray with water ... added a few cricket.. dinner time LOL yawn.gif

mama
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papa
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papa and mama
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the little devils
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one happy family thumbup.gif
CHEERS

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post Feb 8 2009, 11:30 PM

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QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Feb 9 2009, 12:14 AM)
LOL ur mama is one fat ass beast!
Have u counted ur scorpling yet?
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yap drool.gif

23 numbers of it smile.gif
now left 17 nos ... 6nos were sold off tongue.gif icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on February 8, 2009, 11:49 pmhi guys ...

i am surfing thru the net when i came across this ..
some interesting facts ...

Reproduction
Most scorpions reproduce sexually, and most species have male and female individuals. However, some species, such as Hottentotta hottentotta, Hottentotta caboverdensis, Liocheles australasiae, Tityus columbianus, Tityus metuendus, Tityus serrulatus, Tityus stigmurus, Tityus trivittatus, and Tityus urugayensis, reproduce through parthenogenesis, a process in which unfertilized eggs develop into living embryos. Parthenogenic reproduction starts following the scorpion's final moult to maturity and continues thereafter.

Sexual reproduction is accomplished by the transfer of a spermatophore from the male to the female; scorpions possess a complex courtship and mating ritual to effect this transfer. Mating starts with the male and female locating and identifying each other using a mixture of pheromones and vibrational communication.. Once they have satisfied each other that they are of opposite sex and of the correct species, mating can commence.


species, such as Hottentotta hottentotta, Hottentotta caboverdensis, Liocheles australasiae, Tityus columbianus, Tityus metuendus, Tityus serrulatus, Tityus stigmurus, Tityus trivittatus, and Tityus urugayensis, reproduce through parthenogenesis,


one question in mind ... does these parthenogenesis species need to mate at least once with a male and then therferafter a male is no longer need for reproduction or totally can reproduce without a need for a male at all????

dun really understand the above mention stated from the internet .... doh.gif

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QUOTE(rafiqos @ Feb 9 2009, 01:04 AM)
Do a little more reading on taxos of the Hottentotta species and you'll find that Hottentotta caboverdensis = Hottentotta hottentotta. They are the same species. Hottentotta hottentotta is the older name for Hottentotta caboverdensis. smile.gif

The name has been revised some time in 2006. But most literature on the net still cites them as Hottentotta hottentotta. No big impact there for hobbyists like us, but just to avoid complications, i.e. people selling the same species under different taxos at higher prices (this is a common problem when it comes to scorpions, especially of the genus Tityus).

Read more: About Caboverdensis.
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wow.. that is sharp one... u never fail to impress me ... thumbup.gif


Added on February 9, 2009, 12:25 am
QUOTE(RyoKenzaki @ Feb 9 2009, 01:12 AM)
They dun need male... In fact male in those sp are rare as most of the time their offspring are all female
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis
Now that is a new info for me haha
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hi .

.tat is a good informatiom regarding the reproduction topic ...
as mention in the refered site ...

the sex-determination system and ZW sex-determination system seems abit "chim" for me..


does XY sex-determination system means XX =female , XY = male ( for scorpion ) am i rite ????

X0 sex-determination system = single X = male , XX = female (for hymenopterans, grasshoppers, crickets, cockroaches sp )

ZW sex-determination system = totally dun understand at alll shakehead.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif


Added on February 9, 2009, 12:30 amcontinue reading thru till the Asexual reproduction section .... rclxub.gif rclxub.gif rclxub.gif shakehead.gif

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QUOTE(rideon @ Feb 9 2009, 02:20 AM)
erm... just wondering. are you still selling some of ur AFS scorplings.. i've been trying to find some one to sell some to me for ages......
cheers mate..
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mine still 2nd instar .... i tot u wan 3rd or 4th instar scorplings ???

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