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Photography Panasonic LX-3 King of the King of digicam Updated, LEICAF2.0,1/1.63 sensor,24mm,HD,hotshoe

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post Jan 3 2009, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 3 2009, 12:24 AM)
it makes sense ... i always resize my pic smaller to look pretty lol
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Anyway, I also think my Fuji F40fd looks blur at 100%. Can you share
100% pic of Nikon and Panasonic crop....? That's if you're free to do so..thanks..
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post Jan 3 2009, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 3 2009, 12:40 AM)
It works when you say it this way. It doesnt work the other way around.
If what you're saying is true, then you'll have a paradox where the picture will get sharper and sharper each time you resize it.
What you said in the first place was to resize a 10MP picture to 8MP to make it sharper. That already doesnt make sense as you're already throwing away information. You could be referring to another thing, but resizing a picture that way just isn't right.  whistling.gif
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if you care to read my earlier post, then you'll understand my paradox. But its just my
gut feeling that eventhough Panasonic is 10MP, but in reality, its just 8MP information
due to cannibalize post processing especially night scene. Get over with it bro. No point
arguing if you keep on thinking you must win.

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post Jan 3 2009, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 3 2009, 12:50 AM)
Now you're using your gut feeling to explain things.
You could say that Panasonic's 10MP picture is in reality only 8MP due to cannibalising, but then the exact same thing will happen to any other cameras. The Nikon's 8MP will become 6MP due to cannibalising.
The point isn't me trying to win here, bro.
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Yeah....still using my gut feeling coz we don't have all the information here. So we need SeeD to give
us more info... laugh.gif
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post Jan 3 2009, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 3 2009, 01:04 AM)
Well unfortunately I can't find any picture that's identical to be compared laugh.gif
All got different settings ...

Do you guys still want the cropped 100% ? LOL ~
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ooo..then its hard to compare liao...probably his auto pilot mode is better than
Panny since Panny have a lot of function...

QUOTE(PCHo @ Jan 3 2009, 01:07 AM)
gogo2, I read through ur posts......maybe ur level really a bit too pro for most users here.
Even I don't understand some of ur points (e.g. cannibalising & lens resolution).
Do have some patience explaning to noobs like me ya~!
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Sorry for messing up the thread.... notworthy.gif
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post Jan 4 2009, 11:33 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 4 2009, 04:12 PM)
Lens resolution is the ability of a lens to.. resolve smile.gif Google for "MTF chart" and you'll see how it's measured.


Added on January 4, 2009, 4:16 pmThe 4MP picture should look as sharp or sharper, with the condition that you stand further from the display so that the relative size of the 4MP picture matches that of the 2MP picture.

joyy is almost right when she says that downscaling throws away information (there are special cases where it won't e.g. a photo with only one color). You can always derive a 2MP picture from a 4MP picture, but in practice hardly the other way round.
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Bro....if you read back all my statement, you'll understand that I try to say that at 100%,
if the information of 10MP is cannibalized to become 8MP due to noise reduction, you'll
see that it is sharper at 100% cropped. Notice that I said 100% cropped.
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post Jan 5 2009, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 5 2009, 11:31 AM)
(note: I'm questioning your logic where you spoke about resizing a 10MP picture to 8MP, not about 10MP vs 8MP sensors)

If you put a 100% crop of the two pictures next to each other on the same monitor, I agree that the lower MP version of the picture can look sharper.

But if you were to compare it fairly, which means that you maintain the visual size of the pictures when comparing them, I can't see how the lower MP version of the picture can look sharper. Maintaining the visual size could mean making a high-resolution print of them, or varying the distance from the display to you.

And if you were to say that "10MP is cannibalized to become 8MP due to noise reduction", then what you're saying is that 2MP of 10MP is worthless. Now think - does the resizing technique you use remove those 2MP of worthless pixels; in other words does it know which 2MP are useless? Or does it simply mix the worthless pixels with the good ones indiscriminately?
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bro, I only want to stress the sentence in bold above.

Asides from that, of course I did not said 8MP sharper than 10MP by making
high resolution print of them. To say that is asking everyone to shoot me. shakehead.gif

That's why I need to stress that I only talk about 100% crop and nothing else. This is
because FeeD talk about his 100% crop. Not high resolution printing. So please read all
the post first or else, we argue also no point.
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post Jan 5 2009, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(blackorange @ Jan 5 2009, 03:02 PM)
hi, just bought a black lx3 at tarita at sg wang for RM1550. i grab the only unit yesterday.
got casing, mini tripod & panasonic sdhc 4gb.
i check the firmware already v1.1

the owner said new stock will come this week or next week.

but,

the shop supervisor try to con me to buy unnecessary things
uv lens protector + lcd protector for RM400
and add 3 more years warranty for RM200 because he said panasonic only give warranty for 1 year only.
gila.
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congratulation. The uptake of this camera is at neck breaking speed....
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post Jan 5 2009, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(munky @ Jan 5 2009, 10:00 PM)
bought Stuff magazine (jan 2009), and there's this comparison between lx3, nikon p6000, canon g10, sigma (dp1 or dp2 cant remember) and ricoh caplio something cant recall the name.

And reading the review, i was like WTF ? It says the nikon and canon has better image quality, among other things la.

Now i learned that never to trust these gadgets magazine too much. Better find the reviews on the internet like dpreview
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sometimes dpreview also not that good.... tongue.gif

QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 5 2009, 10:22 PM)
Lulz.
The Sigma pwnz all of them.  smile.gif
srsly
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why you always mislead people...??? dp1 can't pawn LX3. It is fix focus at f/4.0.
Its useless most of the time and a lot of problem here and there in auto department.
Please read more before comment. shakehead.gif
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post Jan 5 2009, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 5 2009, 11:24 PM)
It's DSLR sized sensor beats all compacts and prosumers.
Since everyone here is talking about how the LX3's IQ is better than the G10's IQ, it felt necessary to mention that the Sigma's IQ is better than the LX3  whistling.gif
Please drop your biased mentality before commenting on comments.  rolleyes.gif
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a camera does not instant pawn other camera just because it has big sensor.
You have to see other feature and usability and price. This is free world. I'm
free to comment whoever comment there is. But I love to comment your comment laugh.gif


Added on January 5, 2009, 11:42 pm
QUOTE(zeeker87 @ Jan 5 2009, 11:37 PM)
so please shoot more and share it here..
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I don't have camera...how to shoot? cry.gif

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post Jan 9 2009, 12:45 AM

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Haha, I guess you guys pampered with PnS camera too much. Last time, mostly camera have this. And all dSLR have these lens cap inconvenience too tongue.gif
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post Jan 11 2009, 11:21 PM

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i think there's a problem with a product that is too famous. The problem is that it is overprice. sad.gif


Added on January 11, 2009, 11:21 pmwe need some competition here... tongue.gif

Fuji, when is your EXR come out?

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post Jan 13 2009, 11:51 PM

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QUOTE(PCHo @ Jan 13 2009, 09:55 PM)
I had your same perception on exposure b4.
I felt it was silly to think that under-exposing is better than over-exposing....
But this is what the real pros said in magazines and stuff I read.
Might not be the "truth", but i m just telling u what i know.
Probably has something to do with the way data is stored when taking photos....
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Hey, you're right. If over expose by 1 and underexpose by 1, I'll choose underexpose
anytime. And we can always set the camera to always +1/3eV wink.gif

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