QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 3 2009, 12:24 AM)
Anyway, I also think my Fuji F40fd looks blur at 100%. Can you share100% pic of Nikon and Panasonic crop....? That's if you're free to do so..thanks..
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Jan 3 2009, 12:27 AM
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Jan 3 2009, 12:43 AM
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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 3 2009, 12:40 AM) It works when you say it this way. It doesnt work the other way around. if you care to read my earlier post, then you'll understand my paradox. But its just myIf what you're saying is true, then you'll have a paradox where the picture will get sharper and sharper each time you resize it. What you said in the first place was to resize a 10MP picture to 8MP to make it sharper. That already doesnt make sense as you're already throwing away information. You could be referring to another thing, but resizing a picture that way just isn't right. gut feeling that eventhough Panasonic is 10MP, but in reality, its just 8MP information due to cannibalize post processing especially night scene. Get over with it bro. No point arguing if you keep on thinking you must win. This post has been edited by gogo2: Jan 3 2009, 12:44 AM |
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Jan 3 2009, 12:51 AM
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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 3 2009, 12:50 AM) Now you're using your gut feeling to explain things. Yeah....still using my gut feeling coz we don't have all the information here. So we need SeeD to giveYou could say that Panasonic's 10MP picture is in reality only 8MP due to cannibalising, but then the exact same thing will happen to any other cameras. The Nikon's 8MP will become 6MP due to cannibalising. The point isn't me trying to win here, bro. us more info... |
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Jan 3 2009, 01:15 AM
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QUOTE(SeeD @ Jan 3 2009, 01:04 AM) Well unfortunately I can't find any picture that's identical to be compared ooo..then its hard to compare liao...probably his auto pilot mode is better thanAll got different settings ... Do you guys still want the cropped 100% ? LOL ~ Panny since Panny have a lot of function... QUOTE(PCHo @ Jan 3 2009, 01:07 AM) gogo2, I read through ur posts......maybe ur level really a bit too pro for most users here. Sorry for messing up the thread.... Even I don't understand some of ur points (e.g. cannibalising & lens resolution). Do have some patience explaning to noobs like me ya~! |
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Jan 4 2009, 11:33 PM
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 4 2009, 04:12 PM) Lens resolution is the ability of a lens to.. resolve Bro....if you read back all my statement, you'll understand that I try to say that at 100%,Added on January 4, 2009, 4:16 pmThe 4MP picture should look as sharp or sharper, with the condition that you stand further from the display so that the relative size of the 4MP picture matches that of the 2MP picture. joyy is almost right when she says that downscaling throws away information (there are special cases where it won't e.g. a photo with only one color). You can always derive a 2MP picture from a 4MP picture, but in practice hardly the other way round. if the information of 10MP is cannibalized to become 8MP due to noise reduction, you'll see that it is sharper at 100% cropped. Notice that I said 100% cropped. |
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Jan 5 2009, 01:01 PM
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QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jan 5 2009, 11:31 AM) (note: I'm questioning your logic where you spoke about resizing a 10MP picture to 8MP, not about 10MP vs 8MP sensors) bro, I only want to stress the sentence in bold above.If you put a 100% crop of the two pictures next to each other on the same monitor, I agree that the lower MP version of the picture can look sharper. But if you were to compare it fairly, which means that you maintain the visual size of the pictures when comparing them, I can't see how the lower MP version of the picture can look sharper. Maintaining the visual size could mean making a high-resolution print of them, or varying the distance from the display to you. And if you were to say that "10MP is cannibalized to become 8MP due to noise reduction", then what you're saying is that 2MP of 10MP is worthless. Now think - does the resizing technique you use remove those 2MP of worthless pixels; in other words does it know which 2MP are useless? Or does it simply mix the worthless pixels with the good ones indiscriminately? Asides from that, of course I did not said 8MP sharper than 10MP by making high resolution print of them. To say that is asking everyone to shoot me. That's why I need to stress that I only talk about 100% crop and nothing else. This is because FeeD talk about his 100% crop. Not high resolution printing. So please read all the post first or else, we argue also no point. |
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Jan 5 2009, 03:17 PM
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QUOTE(blackorange @ Jan 5 2009, 03:02 PM) hi, just bought a black lx3 at tarita at sg wang for RM1550. i grab the only unit yesterday. congratulation. The uptake of this camera is at neck breaking speed....got casing, mini tripod & panasonic sdhc 4gb. i check the firmware already v1.1 the owner said new stock will come this week or next week. but, the shop supervisor try to con me to buy unnecessary things uv lens protector + lcd protector for RM400 and add 3 more years warranty for RM200 because he said panasonic only give warranty for 1 year only. gila. |
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Jan 5 2009, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE(munky @ Jan 5 2009, 10:00 PM) bought Stuff magazine (jan 2009), and there's this comparison between lx3, nikon p6000, canon g10, sigma (dp1 or dp2 cant remember) and ricoh caplio something cant recall the name. sometimes dpreview also not that good.... And reading the review, i was like WTF ? It says the nikon and canon has better image quality, among other things la. Now i learned that never to trust these gadgets magazine too much. Better find the reviews on the internet like dpreview QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 5 2009, 10:22 PM) why you always mislead people...??? dp1 can't pawn LX3. It is fix focus at f/4.0. Its useless most of the time and a lot of problem here and there in auto department. Please read more before comment. |
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Jan 5 2009, 11:38 PM
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QUOTE(joyyy @ Jan 5 2009, 11:24 PM) It's DSLR sized sensor beats all compacts and prosumers. a camera does not instant pawn other camera just because it has big sensor. Since everyone here is talking about how the LX3's IQ is better than the G10's IQ, it felt necessary to mention that the Sigma's IQ is better than the LX3 Please drop your biased mentality before commenting on comments. You have to see other feature and usability and price. This is free world. I'm free to comment whoever comment there is. But I love to comment your comment Added on January 5, 2009, 11:42 pm QUOTE(zeeker87 @ Jan 5 2009, 11:37 PM) I don't have camera...how to shoot? This post has been edited by gogo2: Jan 5 2009, 11:42 PM |
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Haha, I guess you guys pampered with PnS camera too much. Last time, mostly camera have this. And all dSLR have these lens cap inconvenience too
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Jan 11 2009, 11:21 PM
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i think there's a problem with a product that is too famous. The problem is that it is overprice.
Added on January 11, 2009, 11:21 pmwe need some competition here... Fuji, when is your EXR come out? This post has been edited by gogo2: Jan 11 2009, 11:21 PM |
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Jan 13 2009, 11:51 PM
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QUOTE(PCHo @ Jan 13 2009, 09:55 PM) I had your same perception on exposure b4. Hey, you're right. If over expose by 1 and underexpose by 1, I'll choose underexposeI felt it was silly to think that under-exposing is better than over-exposing.... But this is what the real pros said in magazines and stuff I read. Might not be the "truth", but i m just telling u what i know. Probably has something to do with the way data is stored when taking photos.... anytime. And we can always set the camera to always +1/3eV |
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