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post Dec 24 2010, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(denhock @ Dec 20 2010, 10:48 AM)
not only this difference.

DS211+ support more user , more ipcam and others..

Added on December 20, 2010, 10:50 am

if you want upgrade, wait for DS1511+ , will be release soon. ( this box can support total up to 15 uts HDD with the Dx510 )

15 x 3TB HDD..... alot of space....
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I think I saw the price for this unit before, can buy a whole new PC + 6 HDDs with that price sweat.gif

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post Jan 11 2011, 02:53 PM

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Just few question and reference for thought...
Has anyone seen or knew of any shop has or able to sell this in Malaysia?
Jetway JNC9C-550
and also...
Jetway 4x SATA Port Module
This is amazing PC components for DIY 4~8 SATA HDDs NAS!
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post Mar 8 2011, 11:40 AM

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No one replying... guess I'll throw some of my common sense... hope it helps... wink.gif

One thing for sure is flash tech will die much quickly than traditional spinning hard disk, average of thumb drive might be few hundred to thousand writes? If you got lucky maybe 10+ writes per day and gets you around 3 years of usage. Some dying flash drives showing corrupted files, that's where you throw it away (no more warranty) and get a new one.

As for HP Micro-server, I'm not a user of one but unless you have no PC to build one NAS then you can go for it, if you have a PC left over, use it, save those for other purpose.
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post Mar 11 2011, 08:53 AM

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http://forums.storagereview.com/index.php/...-software-raid/

Some disadvantage when using Windows soft-RAID.
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post Mar 11 2011, 10:10 AM

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There's no 100% reliable product out there can solve RAID issue, even hardware RAID will fail and chances are rebuilding them might caused data lost as well.
So, in the end if you're really darn concern about your data, do a backup, every company that are dead serious use RAID1, RAID5, or even RAID6? has tape backup or you could go the cheaper way of using external hard disk.

Ahh... almost out topic LOL... anyway, that's why those Synology (for example) product are so expensive, hardware RAID, better support, better speed?

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post Jun 18 2011, 07:36 PM

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Yes, nowadays hard disk speed can easily exceed 50MB/s (slowest part of the hard disk) so even Gigabit LAN has no problem, the only problem is the NAS network chipset and CPU processing power thats handle the network I/O loads, those are the common bottleneck.
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post Jul 28 2011, 01:52 PM

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QUOTE(MX510 @ Jul 23 2011, 05:37 PM)
Any ideas i need to 2 Nas one at home and another one at office so any work done at office will be sync by another Nas at home the data storage would be around 10 TB and both are using Unifi Biz 10
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I haven use any NAS before but maybe this article can help you.

CODE

http://superuser.com/questions/224722/what-nas-setup-for-two-way-syncing-over-the-internet

http://forums.smallnetbuilder.com/showthread.php?t=1023
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post Aug 23 2011, 07:31 AM

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QUOTE(vivre @ Aug 21 2011, 05:59 PM)
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Thanks for sharing your info with me. That`s quite lengthy smile.gif

I have several questions thought;

1. So OS is required for the thing to run.. Can I have any linux OS to run instead? Cheaper right? Just wondering though in terms of the setup, will it be very difficult of windows users like me? Haha
2. So  you have both running right now? Connected to GIGABIT network?
3. WD green failed, is it coincidence or incompatibility in 24x7 environment? Im using green for my 2TB and 1 TB harddisk. So far they are still good. Not running the PC 24x7 obviously. Now bit worried if I were to put in on 24x7 mode, will it fail quickly? Huhu
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1. Yes you can runs any OS as long as it's PC compatible.

3. WDC Green series has been bad at "hardware" RAID, maybe you can use the software RAID provide by the OS that you runs.
I have been running my WDC 1TB Green on a 24/7 BT box, so far only 1 unrecoverable sector and 1 pending sector, other than that, it runs smoothly, now the only thing is the temperature, I haven't clean it for long time. sweat.gif
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post Aug 23 2011, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(RiverDrifte @ Aug 23 2011, 11:29 AM)
notworthy.gif nice review there.. was wondering if i am swap the ecc ram with non-ecc ram, will there be any performance impact or should i just turn my existing pc to be a HTPC&NAS combo as it will be a waste to leave my second pc idling there while i buy another pc..
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You can turn any PC into NAS, any OS can be NAS as well. thumbup.gif
If you want special OS then use FreeNAS, linux base.
Swapping to non-ECC ram will actually improve the speed as ECC RAM tends to check the data integrity and thus slowing down overall performance but server will benefit for its data reliability. nod.gif
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post Aug 25 2011, 07:58 AM

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I think RM3,000+ for 5 bays is common right? It's same for QNAP and other brands.
Expensive due to hardware RAID, hot-swap features and some said future support (you get future firmware upgrade and technical support). And you get all other features such as server services (HTTP, FTP, etc.) and some even includes BT, VPN, etc so you get all-in-one system when you bought it and very easy to get it running out of the box. Also it runs quiet and low power as well.
Get it cheap? Then consider FreeNAS with DIY system, you can configure whatever hardware you wish, up to 8 or 10-port SATAs, any chassis you like, etc. and setup yourself from scratch. HP Microserver is a great way to start off with 4-bay DIY NAS system.
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post Mar 13 2012, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(numbertwo @ Mar 13 2012, 11:34 AM)
Just collected my N40L today..
now  I have to decide what to go for in terms of OS, my few choices are :

1. Freenas or OpenMediaVault, and one that has to have bittorrent(utorrent) server for seeding purpose..  This is easy opt as I can boot the OS thru the USB in the MOBO..

2.  Windows Home server 2011 - No idea where I can get a copy as I read it only comes as OEM copy (ie. bundled with Acer Revocenter)..

3.  Windows server 2008 R2.  I have access to this.  This will take up a HDD  which I don't quite prefer, and i wonder running this R2 would consume more power than say Freenas since it may have many services that run on the background which I don't really need..

Any inputs and comments are most appreciated!
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I would get (3), you can install the command prompt only version with less GUI and disable any unnecessary services, if you know how to get around the command prompt to access all the Windows *thing*. It would only consume higher RAM, as for power, it should be low when idle.
Otherwise get something like Windows 7 Pro Edition for the basic sharing and disable all animation and unnecessary services.

But if you know how to goes around FreeNAS and only needs several functions then go ahead with this one, for me Windows enable me not just sharing and BT, I can run many other things.
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 8 2012, 05:33 AM)
Yes, you can install Windows 7 on it. I have one of mine on Windows Server 2008 R2 and the other one on Windows Home Server 2011.
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I got an Intel N230 (hey I know it's old sad.gif ) and I still want some performance out from it, only has 1GB of RAM due to budget last time.
Now I want to increase just a bit out from it, the RAM usage of the Windows 7 is increased by the day, can Windows 2008 R2 improve the performance? Mainly used for 24/7 torrent-ing, gigabit file server, and sometimes a little web browsing.
How about the Home Server 2011? I never used Home Server before, any difference?

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post Sep 9 2012, 06:33 AM

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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 9 2012, 03:07 AM)
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Thanks for the suggestion, looks like new Atom board would be the best choice, gonna take sometimes to scrape this old board (very tough but very slow lol).
I do have my own chassis, bought the board separately, take some old PSU, buy 4-in-3 module and bam it goes NAS.
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QUOTE(puterabemi @ Sep 9 2012, 06:37 AM)
i see... but i concern about the power consumption. how do you use your htpc? do you leave it on almost 24/7 (+ sleep/hibernate) or you turn it on only when you want to watch something? im afraid that my eletricity bill will skyrocket. i believe if i build using intel atom or amd apu i might get lower power consumption.
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What's the PC specs that you aim to use as HTPC? If it's normal consumer desktop, definitely will have higher consumption, but if you're using Intel Atom or equivalent then it's low, I'm using 1 right now, less than 30 watts overall, couple with 2 HDDs and several 5v silent fans to help cool it all down.
If you want serious power on the HTPC (gaming), then probably you need a higher-end unit that you turn on when needed, otherwise current Intel Atom (D2700) should be sufficient to watch Full HD movie, not too sure about higher bit-rate one though (>18GB size).
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 10 2012, 01:10 AM)
Which Atom and mobo are you planning to get?

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php...+N36L+Dual-Core
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Planned on the latest D2500HN or DN2800MT, but I won't be getting it so soon, probably another few more months.
I feels the old N230 (Intel D945GCLF) still can serve me well, just very slow. sweat.gif
And, it's pretty hard to sell off this junk, no one gonna use a slow old hag, and this also coupled with a PCI gigabit network card for one hell of transfer speed brows.gif
Next upgrade probably will be coupled the board with PCI(-E) SATA card, since the new Intel Atom now has gigabit network port ready wink.gif

Just notice the DN2800MT is uses different power input approach hmm.gif
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QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 10 2012, 01:58 PM)
The D2500HN and the DN2800MT looks to be decently priced. I'm curious how many hardisk are you planning to run? These boards look to be more suited for HTPC use than for NAS since it only has 2 SATA ports. Paying that
much just for 2 SATA ports is not worth it.
I too am fond of using old hardware. Too much sentimental values.  laugh.gif  Anyway, I find that trying to maintain old hardwares to work better by updating them sometimes end up costing more than just getting a new platform. Some more their performance will not be as good as a new platform after being updated.

Anyway, interested to know what throughput you're getting from your network card. PCI theretical max is 133MB/s.
I plan on 4 SATA hard disk, that's as much as my chassis with 4-in-3 module can hold, I don't think the expansion card is expensive (PCI SATA). I may go for the lowest D2500HN, does not really needs DN2800MT extra features.

My current setup able to transfer up to 60MB/s from my Intel Atom to my main PC, back is quite slow, only about 30MB/s, which does not really bother me much, only transfer from it most of it time.
The speed is pretty much depends on the hard disk speed, my previous one is WDC 1TB Green, slowest that I got is 20MB/s on average, that was when it's about to die, I haven test on the current hard disk which is Samsung HD203WI, should be plentiful faster.

And my setup is Seagate 500GB used as system, programs and some other misc downloads, the huge movie, music will always goes to the larger hard disk (now is 2TB). Currently only 2 hard disk, the PCI slot is for DLink Gigabit network card.

QUOTE(jchue73 @ Sep 10 2012, 01:58 PM)
This one?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813153212

Nice find but Newegg sells them for USD 205. That's RM 640 without shipping, without casing and without memory and without boot drive ! Furthermore, the Atom D525 is way lower in terms of CPU power compared to N36L (PassMark 714 vs 803).
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Was researching for this type of Atom board as well, but found it's really hard to bring in to Malaysia, includes the tax and custom, might as well just buy the branded NAS system.
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post Sep 21 2012, 03:26 PM

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I think someone did mention about WD Sentinel DX4000 before?
Do you think we can get just the system without all the HDDs and the license copy of Windows 2008? It would be darn cheap if it can be done.
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QUOTE(knightrazor @ Oct 9 2012, 02:37 AM)
Hi Guys,

I'm thinking to set up my own NAS using my old computer using FreeNAS.

The problem is that my mother board is the MSI MS-7104. This mobo only has 2 SATA ports. My questions are,

1. can I use SATA 3 HDD (preferably 2TB) on this?
2. Will it get the same data transfer rate (3 Gb/s)?

I also did a research on SAS controller card which can hold up to 8 SATA HDD.

3. Do you guys know any of these cards that runs on PCI slots?
4. Will I get the SATA 3 data transfer rate if the SAS controller PCI slot?

My budget to get new hardware and HDD is below RM1,000.

Your  inputs are greatly appreciated.

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1 & 2) Yes, I don't believe your 2TB going to exceed the SATA1 transfer rate anyway so any SATA will do.

3 & 4) Not worth while for the SAS controller as the SAS HDD is freaking expensive, only useful on server file storage system, RAID, etc. (Does SAS card even use PCI slot? unsure.gif )
You can buy those PCI SATA card, not sure about price, but PCI still has limits of 133MB/s so don't expect performance if you only able to utilize PCI slot.
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QUOTE(knightrazor @ Oct 9 2012, 12:24 PM)
Thanks  biggrin.gif

The reason I need about 3 HDD is because I needed to do a RAID5 back-up and it requires 3 HDD to do so.
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Erm, I think you need to takes your time to read up what's RAID, for your info it's not backup but rather just redundancy.
Backup is a form of another media which will be in separate physical form, either tape, optical disk, hard disk, SSD, etc. Backup can also be through the use of Cloud base (Internet web storage).
Don't confuse RAID with backup, those are 2 different concept altogether.
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I would go for DIY Intel Atom, nowadays those cheap board already Gbps ready, and with Windows Server (if you can afford) or just FreeNAS you're ready to go Gbps speed with cheap DIY NAS.
This is where you need some experience setup a good NAS system that can perform almost every job that a server can do, for me I can have almost anything, from file server, BT, FTP, HTTP... etc. Anything a PC can do, with great Gbps transfer speed, up to 80MB/s from my WDC Green HDD. d(^.^)b
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