I am using one without pipe. No piping! It has all the features and functions that produces the cleanest water possible. There is no one filter system that is better than this one. Use in space station and millitary, in warship, submarine. It also dispense hot and cold water ready all the time good for ppl who drink chinese tea with small tea pots so that you get hot tea all the time.

No need to add mineral to RO water. You get your mineral from food.

Not the only option. You can capture water from the air. There is one called Atmospheric Water Genertor use in large ship mostly military, submerine and space station. Water is heavy, every litre is 1 kg. Imagine one man need at least 2 to 4 liter just for drinking. 1 litre for brushing teeth? A one month mission for one man on space we are talking about 60 to 120 kg of water to be lifted up to space by rocket. It costs one million dollar to put a man up. It cost similar amount of money carrying the water for him. So, you got the Russian invention of Atmospheric Water Generator for their MIR station. All the waste water are reconverted with this water generator and filtered with RO.

A soldier cannot live without water in desert in 2-3 hrs. Imagine you run the football field for one half (45 minutes) under our hot afternoon sun. You can not last the 2nd half without half break drinking water. The US army trucks following behind the tanks and soldiers supplied not only water and fuel for the soldiers and their tanks and guns but also atmospheric water generators for the soldiers days and nights operated and camped in desrt in the operation desert strom.

When you first installed the filter the water supply stop completely for too long allowing the rusty GI pipe inside to resettled. As you turn back on the rush of the water moving the rust and collected at your first filter.

This will not happen as much if you turn off the water for a short while. You can wash the filter and see this time you dont get that browny waster by turning on slowly.

Or your fren filter is not properly fitted and water bypassed the filter. Check

This post has been edited by stevie8: Apr 22 2012, 10:47 AM

You can save space with this installation


Compact looks better isn't it?

This post has been edited by stevie8: May 29 2012, 09:43 PM

Leak? The bypass valve is same as the other two valves. I think it was not done properly.

Worry about sun, you can cover it with something like cloth, plastic, etc or even aluminium foil, the one use for baking.

how much?

where to buy?

Go for UV. All these filter for drinking is of no use without UV you still need to boil. My filter has 2 UVs. One inside storage tank on/off for a few seconds every now and then itself and on when filling water. And the other at the outlet as you dispense water the UV comes on so that all the dispense water are again sterilise just before you drink. Almost fullproof. What is not full proof is your drinking glass, lol.

Yes, UV lamp cannot last long and its efficiency goes down with time and even if it is not burned you have to change it every 12 months.

But mine is different. It can last many years, 5 to 10 years to change. Why? Some filter UVs are on all the time and its efficiency or life span is one year. Whereas mine, as mentioned earlier, comes on and off every one hour just for few seconds and come on when the tank is filling water and on when dispensing water and will go off once water flow is stoped. As such it lasts you many years, save you money and maintain its efficiency. And the UV lamp is made in USA Philips.

This filter system is very superior in design and technology. But you will be put off by its price. But if you want the best this is the best drinking dispensing water system in the world now come with hot and cold. All components are FDA approved for USA market. Even the tube, the tank, the filter, etc each and every components and parts are FDA approved not just the whole unit.

Form your comments t is the (Malaysian) seller who said it was grade 304. I dont think the (Malaysian) buyers (consumers) spoke to the China seller, right? So who acutally cheated who? The (Malaysian) importer/seller/retailer, most likely that cheated the Malaysian consumers. As far as business is concerned you pay what you get. When you get greedy thinking that you pay less for more than you have already been cheated due to your greed not ignorant. A lot of ppl get conned when phone calls, email came said they won lottery or some huge money for them and they needed to pay for some processing fee or something, due to greed and stupidity of intelligent man/woman lawyers, doctors, teachers, profesionals, managers, well educated ppl, they pay and pay and pay until the conman get all thier money and nothing left to take from these greedy man and woman, only when the conman stoped contacting them only then they realised the real true world that they is no easy free money.

There are many difficult consumers thinking they are smart buying the cheapest and wanting the cheapest and at the end they got the cheapest and the cheap products. Good things dont come cheap, cheap things dont come good. Use your brain to think logically, you cannot be paying iron and get stainless steel! It is as simple as that. The saying goes, too good to be true.

There is no need to make all these comparison so complex. First thing first Syabas sucks!!!

Narrow down the requirements:

1. Sediment. All these dirt, sands, mud, rust.

As far as I am concerned, a 5 micron filter is good enough for bath, washing, cooking. Just make sure your house internal piping after the filter is GI pipe/socket.

2. For drinking. All these bacteria, viruses.

There are few things I know solve these problem. The first is UV. Then RO or pure water allow you to drink direct. And if you dont have these just boil the water.

3. For drinking. All these chemicals especially large quantity of cholrine added to our pipe water on purpose.

RO removed almost all of it till insignificant so minute it will not affect your health. But with RO lacks the natural minerals some say. I am not sure if we need minerals from water source, just that occasionally you drink outside, mamak teh tarik, 100 plus gives you lot of minerals, etc.

Then you can overcome this probem with carbon filter. Any activated carbon filter will absorb and do the job. No need to buy expensive carbon block. The so called super good activated carbon they themselves cannot tell you why it is so different and so good. An activated carbon block is an activated carbon block. The best is made of coconut shell. We have plenty and we/malaysia exports it and to USA and reimport it as branded!!!

Knowing what you have you know what you need to do that is!

Conclusion, 2 simple steps:

1. A sediment filter for the whole house
2. A combination or some of UV/RO/Activated carbon filter or Activated carbon filter + boiling for drinking.

Remember when you cook you are boiling the water.

Yes, The fact is there should not be any problem drinking direct worrying about bacteria. First there are only few bacteria that cause problem. Most bacteria are harmless. 2nd, for flowing water the quantity of bacteria is too little to cause any harm and 3rd if any your body defence system will take care of it and 4th worst case is you purge them out without you knowing where they came from that cause you stomachach.

But it is good to have carbon filter to get rid of chemicals and make your coffee/tea taste like real coffee and tea.

So technical. Whatever it is when you want a water filter for drinking and cooking you better have activated carbon as one of the components.

Activated carbon is used for removing various organic substances like Oils, Radioactive Compounds, Petroleum, Hydrocarbons, Poly Aromatic Hydrocarbons and various halogenated compounds like Chlorine, Fluorine, Bromine and Iodine. Apart from organic compounds it also removes inorganic compounds like Arsenic, Cadmium, Chromium, Zinc, Lead, Mercury, Copper, etc.

Because of it's absorption characteristics it can also provide a prime habitat for microorganisms to grow. It is important, therefore, to change activated carbon filters on a regular basis. Run the water for 30 seconds to 1 minutes to drain before collecting for drinking and cooking.



This post has been edited by stevie8: Jul 25 2012, 03:15 PM

There are so many RO filter in the market, some very cheap and filter also cheap. If you willing to pay RM5k buy atmospheric water generator. You got the option to generate water from atmosphere and also pipe in. More importantly is this machine is sold in US all its filters are FDA approved. it has carbon filters, RO filter, 2 UV, stainless steel containers, hot and cold, temp display, water level display information and humidity indicator and much more.

By reading below you know how superior this system is and no compare:

How Atmospheric Water Generators work refers to diagram


1. machine first pulls air through an electrostatic filter, removing 93% of all air born particles.

2. A condensation unit receives this clean humid airflow and condenses water vapor into liquid.

3. As the machine collects the water, it drops into a collection tray and immediately passes into Ultraviolet (UV) light, where the water stays in contact with UV rays for approximately 30 minutes. This kills over 90% of all germs and bacteria in the water.

4. The water is then pumped through a sediment screen and then through 2 solid block activated carbon 1 micron filters, which removes over 90% of any volatile organic chemicals (VOCs) that may be in the water.

5. The water is then filtered through ultrafiltration (UF) membrane and or RO (USA made), with a pore size of .015 micron or .0001 respectively, to remove virtually all bacteria and common viruses by the UF or 99.99% pure water by RO.

6. The water is then pumped into a reservoir tank.

7. From the reservoir tank, the water is recycled every 30 minutes through the UV and back into the reservoir tank. OR UV at the reservoir tank itself depends on model.

8. The water is then chilled or heated and dispensed at the consumer's convenience.

TheTechnology:

Water produced by the water generation machine is pure and safe for human consumption and exceeds the established U.S. and international Public Health standards, including NSF 53, which is the top U.S. benchmark for drinking water. The NSF 53 standard requires the removal of volatile organic chemicals. VOCs such as ether, which have proven extremely difficult to remove by filtration methods of the past, are not present in the water generated by the water generation machine.

This is the latest design process:



Go for the best.

Allow me to add a little. Water generator is used in war (gulf war), in space station, ship, war ship, submarine including nuclear submarine.

Industrial unit for war to be carry by truck supplying water to soldier in desert!!





Household unit



This post has been edited by stevie8: Dec 27 2012, 11:38 PM

RM5K plus. Worth it. I piped in in the kitchen and push out to living hall in the evening for making chinese tea while watching tv and/or surfing the internet.

43 x 15 x15