Guys Wrong Decision Water filter Purchase Ler.... Logically POE is more important than POU. If POE uses membrance system hence POU use basic Carbon Filter good enough already. This is what my Vendor did for my hse. I pay Less than RM 1800 for POE,POU Washing tangki.

Generally my system POE is Ultrafiltration 0.01micron This Ultrafiltration can filter bacteria/Virus but cannot filter chlorine Hence water go to tangki and toilets/Bathroom still contain chlorine to kill bacteria/Virus. My POU carbon filter is to remove chlorine. Generally I don't believe in RO system=dead water (Put a live fish in it Sure cannot live on even one day) Well I have use the system provided by my vendor for 3 yrs , my Toilet WC no stain and my Hand shower Unit no blockage at all. My vendor also explained RO System cannot use as POE because the maintenance will be surely supper high. (1 bucket of RO water = 3 buckets of waste water that are more than 0.0001micron)

By the way chlorine is soluble. Pls google up chroline can be removed only by carbon.

Hello everyone, The correct Buying for water system is Priority on Outdoor filter 1st then 2nd Indoor water drinking system. If POE can filter 0.01Micron + washing of tangki + POU Bio energy Far more superior that Standalone POU. I have been using this system for 3 yrs my instant water heater shower not stuck even single hole form the shower head, My WC tank as clean as the first day I installed and My washing machine Drum As Clean as it is. Nesh charging RM 46xx outdoor and Indoor yet outdoor no auto. I'm selling it at RM 1820 which my outdoor is auto backwash

If Espring have UV I can incorporate it the bio energy with UV function. Multi level marketing Don't produce water filter. Water specialise is the one that sell to them and renamed.

3M AP902 Filter up to 5 micron (POE)
3M AP DWS 1000 up to 0.5micron (POU)
Total RM 2099
3M AP902 replacement RM 399 (1 Set)
3M AP DWS 1000 replacement RM 450 (1 set 2 catridges)

Clazzen UF 3000 with auto back wash filter up to 0.01 Micron (POE)
Clazzen Bio Energy Drinking water 6 catridges up to 1 micron (POU)
Wash tangki
Total: RM 1820~1910 (inclusive delivery and installation)
Clazzen UF3000 Replacement every 3 yrs RM 480
Clazzen Bio Energy Drinking water Replacement RM 300~330 (1 set 4 catridges)

Coway POU up to 0.5 micron RM 99/Month One year RM 1188

So it makes sense Clazzen system more cheaper and far more superior filtered water
POE 3M 5 micron Clazzen UF 3000 with auto flush 0.01micron
POU 3M 0.5micron Clazzen 0.01micron
Maintenance POU 3M RM 450 (2 catridges) Clazzen RM 300~330 (4 catridges)
Wash tangki to protect Bathroom/toilet fixtures 3M don't have Clazzen do have Yes.
Coway POU Rm 99/mth in long run more expensive and yet don't have POE and wash tangki.

Now can judge which system in term of Filtered water quality and Cost who benefited most ? The answer is You. Make wise choice.

Clazzen Have Sirim certification and TUV cert for manufacturing

Generally In term in selecting Final contract/ service/buying not all must follow specification. A very good example general IWK chooses pumps based on their listed brand/vendor system and not from the Other source. The key objective here is water. If sent water for analysis and proven better than NSF specification Then should not use NSF as bench mark but on the Filtered water quality.

This post has been edited by Solar freak: Oct 29 2013, 09:07 PM

Basically the outdoor filter is to reduce sediments and rust, 5 micron is very good already, 0.01 micron is like drinking quality.

That is why 0.01 micron is also important to safe guard the Hse Plumbing and Equipment. The benefit you will get is cost saving from rectifying all the hse Plumbing and equipment

Well, think about it, will 0.01 micron filtration reduce your incoming water pressure? Definitely yes, the smaller the micron, the harder water can flow through your filter. Is that good? No, the wives wont like it as it will affect your kitchen's water pressure.

Generally Syabas incoming pressure if 90% occupied housing will be 2bar to 3bar. With the pressure average 2.5 bar in Kitchen water Pressure will wet their surrounding basin and clothes hence all of the user will instead full turn tap they will turn 10% tap only to control the water pressure

Secondly, can membrane filters maintain consistent filtration of 0.01 micron all the time? No and membrane filters are quite fragile, could not withstand pressure >3bar.

Genuine original Membrane can withstand pressure >3bar and Ceramic filter no showing yellowing and browning even after 2.8yrs. The Non Genuine or recycle cannot with stand pressure > 3bar because some of the reseller/Dealer are using very powerful chemical to clean it and resell as new. The same time membrane also need to perform Back washing and Flushing to maintain the filtration. Lot of installer/ reseller don't teach customer to do so but only depend on the auto flushing device to do it. You might hear/read some of the information the membrane fail 1 ~ 2 yrs because they did not perform the back wash and only depend on Flushing.

I checked with some of my suppliers, there are many Membrane filters catalog state that they can withstand 5-6 bar but why online state only 3bar. The answer is bcoz the filter stainless steel body (casing) can withstand 5-6bar not the membrane inside.
http://www.emis.vito.be/techniekfiche/ultr...ion?language=en

Stainless steel body can withstand up to 6 bar. Membrane on the hand can withstand up to 4 bar. You wont find any building in Malaysia tap pressure is more than 3.5 bar even you can find most of the time plumbing start to leak/burst already.

Clazzen system is currently been used in MAS meaning to say the Food and drinking water we are consuming in Aeroplanes are using Clazzen Technology. Airlines food and water are most priority hence we meet their strict quality control.

NSF is an international body and based in US. Malaysia also have our own National Standard for Drinking Water Quality (Second Version, January 2004) issued by Engineering Services Division, Ministry of Health, Malaysia. This is adopted from the World Health Organization (WHO) guidelines for drinking water quality. The reason why your home tap murky, yellowish because most of the piping those day are GI Piping. Now Syabas is using MSCL Piping but to change all the existing GI piping Malaysia can go bankrupt. Hence water filter is consider need nowadays. No Doubt use NSF as marketing strategy but only International company can afford to pay to get NSF certification as they market around the world. Sending Filtered water for analysis is very expensive afair as it will cost Several Thousands ringgit/Dollar to get the filtered water composition. In the case we do for MAS is we send the filtered water to SGH and Sirim and compare NSF and so on.

US like to control everything. Even going for WAR at Iraq because of Oil/Mineral, Pakistan Diamond/Mineral. They are the one that come out with Credit card. Debit card, Traveler cheque, American express and so on. They are very good in finance sector which also misused it power in Ponzi scheme, Subprime mortgage and fall of Lehman Brothers, so on

This post has been edited by Solar freak: Oct 30 2013, 11:33 AM

Then follow this Malaysia standard good enough as adopted from WHO. NSF is just another Standard that originally implemented in US and later expand to other country. Our Sirim can do they same if promote internationally.

NSF led the development of American National Standards for all materials and products that treat or come in contact with drinking water to help protect public health and the environment and minimize adverse health effects. In 1990, the U.S. EPA replaced its own drinking water product advisory program with these NSF standards. Today, most plumbing codes require certification to NSF standards for pipes and plumbing components in commercial and residential buildings

National Standard for Drinking Water Quality (Second Version, January 2004) issued by Engineering Services Division, Ministry of Health, Malaysia. This is adopted from the World Health Organization (WHO) guidelines for drinking water quality

By the way our Syabas approval Pipe not using NSF certified. All Syabas piping Is MSCL,ABS,PVC, HDPE, And stainless steel follow International standard JIS/ANSI and Sirim

This post has been edited by Solar freak: Oct 30 2013, 04:48 PM

RO Maintenance is expensive 1 bucket RO water= 3 bucket waste water. Nevertheless RO system encompass all system and NSF/JIS/ANSI/Sirim and so on. Basically if you put a fish in RO water the fish will not survive. Same goes to human who consume Ro water always when start to consume other water then get stomach ache or diarrhea

Not only diamond but nesh, Jantzen, etc aslo

opps I was referring to Fresh water fish eg Gold fish and the filtration.Because Fresh water fish need a balance nutrient in the water hence too clean water they will get sick.

This show that the membrane is being clog >50% looking at the water so Dark. Hence filtered water out from kitchen tap In the end become <1 bar. The piping in the video very straight forward what I mean it only meant flushing. membrane have to perform Flushing twice a day and Backwashing 2 week once. If Water cut then when water start supplying nextday perform Backwashing and flushing. Generally POU can't withstand more than >2.5 bar those joint will start to leak and the fact is The more Slower water passes thru The POU Catridges the More reducing Chlorine % can be achieved Hence 1~1.5 bar is just good enough. If don't believe try to connect the main Pipe to POU 6 catridged and use filtered water to cook rice. Another One reduce the pressure to <1.5 bar and connect to POU 6 catridges and use filtered water cook rice. In the end compare the freshness cooked rice once cool put in the fridge and cover it. You will find the one that connect with Main piping to POU 6 catridges <1.5 bar is for more superior in keeping the freshness of the Cooked rice after several day. I use Membrane system for 2.8 yrs and POU a basic 6 filter catridges and I do analysis cooked rice can withstand the freshness up to >1 week.

Yes I agree with your statement "RO water is good for aquarium, salt or fresh. Only when changing partial water because is stable, and mineral will not be gone because there still 2/3 or old water and the bio balls " and also "I will recommend to get the one with Post filter cartridge which put back all the mineral and nutrient that been filted away by R-O system"

As for Amway filter for your shrimp is okie as Amway system equip with UV to kill parasite/Virus in filtered water and won't attacking your shrimp. Anyway Amway did not stated How many Micron it can filter but to my guessing is about 1 micron. Well a system can cost few cent to few Hundreds thousand ringgit. Every system have Pros and cons. When talk about a water filter maintenance is a must. No Point to get a very good system in the end not proper maintenance carried out. That is why I always believe if majority sediment, rust. Virus can be removed at POE hence POU only need to take care GAC/Carbon block to reduce chlorine +Mineral/Alkaline. The ceramic filter (POU) 1 micron will indicate how effective your POE is.

Pls complaint to Syabas if your housing Less than 2 bar because your water pressure cannot/Slow fill the tanngki in your Double storey hse unless your developer know the pressure hence your hse should equip with 400gal tangki. If water too murky/Dirty No stand alone system can solve this problem. You will need to buy chemical to input to the raw murky/dirty water. The clean water then can goes to sand filter and joint up 3M or membrane or directly to POU. I have been doing alot underground water Project for multi national company as water is essential for site especially Construction.Quary,and so on. Domestic syabas water are treated and Underground are not treated at all Hence if Domestic water cut Pls shut off the main tap at meter area

Since it is only 1.7bar hence I propose you use sand filter and follow by PP Filter. By the way most probably your hse Piping is GI hence Due to corrosion the water volume and pressure is being reduce <3bar---> 1.7bar. You need to relay new Piping in order to enjoy filtered water. I can calculate the composition media volume and specification to fit your house Syabas incoming 1.7 bar as we always implement for Underground water projects also.

How long have you use the sand filter and under what brand ? Generally Sand filter need to change sand every 3 yrs to maintain the quality filtered water. Sand filter Can filter up to 5 Micron and Ultrafiltration can filter up to 0.01micron. Generally Ultrafiltration filtered water able Protect your Washing Machine, Water heater, WC and Many More. As for Sand filter yes not as clean as Ultrafiltration but better than no filter at all. You can see POU ceramic catridges get slightly dirty after 1~2 month compare ultrafiltration POU ceramic catridges nominal dirty after >3yrs .

This post has been edited by Solar freak: Oct 31 2013, 07:00 PM

When talk about water filter we always stress on Maintenance. The reason why UF need to flush twice a day and backwash once every 2 week is to not let the UF clogged. Flushing twice a day (1 minute/once) and backwash Once every 2 week (I minute/Once) would not cost you <rm1/mth. 3M,Diamond and PP filter are on the same platform means the media used cannot backwash. In order to clean the media need to take out and use High pressure/Chemical to wash and pose a health issue when chemical been used in some cases. Since these brand/ system Can filter up to 5 micron and compare to UF 0.01 Micron hence Water pressure/Volume definitely lower at POU <1.5bar. As mentioned before the lower Pressure <1.5bar at POU hence the POU filter effectiveness in reducing chlorine. As for sand filter system can perform Backwash and Flushing and same spec can filter up to 5 micron. Pls be reminded all new house nowadays tap used are on half turn system are very prone to Leak if water not clean <1 micron. The repair Of Taps/Fixture, water Pump/ Washing machine/Water heater etc will more expensive affair and also the yearly POE Filter Maintenance is higher compare to UF.

3M AW902 Replacement RM 399/yrs
UF Replacement membrane RM 480/3yrs

This post has been edited by Solar freak: Nov 1 2013, 10:28 AM