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EpsilonStar
post Dec 15 2017, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(lyn_grayskale @ Dec 15 2017, 02:09 PM)
Grew up along with the original trilogy (1st exposure to SW - saw EP5-ESB in 1982 when I was 8) I feel the same. The unfortunate thing is Lucas could have rounded up most of the OT cast around the time he made the prequels - probably with stories that didn't have to revolve their children and the consequences of their bad parenting.

But he didn't and time flew by - and with the current age of the trinity of actors - this is what they have to do by wiping the slate and prepare a springboard for a new non-skywalker trilogy and even more stories.

Looking back I always assumed (as a 10 year old - after having watched ROTJ) everything would better (evil is defeated etc) - if you look at Star Wars from an escapism fantasy point of view.
These new developments totally trash all of that - and it bugs me quite a bit. Lets see, after EP 6 ROTJ - Han & Leia are bad parents who toss off their son to his uncle Luke. Luke contemplates the murder of his nephew - because "Minority Report"/baby-Hitler conundrum - hes going to be BAAAD. 

Sure its dramatic and makes for new motivations - but these extensions feel so odd - almost like they want some essence of "George R Martin song of ice and fire" into the mix.

And Rey - ignoring Kylo's bit about having nobody-parents - "Who are you" / "Who ARE you?" (Mark Hamill's delivery of these lines are superb - very sly and telling). The tease continues - i suspect a resolution may not be offered in EP9 - if anything, it can be milked for another set of multimedia coming your way (comics, spin-off movies, games, etc). Or maybe shes just like Anakin - birthed via force and midichlorians?

For all the accusations that JJ Abrams gets for lack of originality in TFA, at least it was better made (another poster mentioned it was more cohesive - which I agree). TLJ feels too much like a 'star wars story' kind of movie to earn an episode number in a SW trilogy.

A few parts of TLJ was enjoyable but I'm scratching my had at all the praise for this... it doesn't compare at all to Empire Strikes back - which was very much the result of having the right people at the right time - they struck magic with that combination of people behind the scenes.

Even though lacking enthusiasm for EP9 - I'm curious how JJ Abrams and Chris Terrio will tie it all together.

But still, the porgs were great and will go well with mash potatoes and a salad.
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Exact same feeling and thought and I also think tfa is better made. Tlj might have some good moments but I am bewildered at the high rating some people gave.... Many plots also feel there are there just so they can have the sequence next....
I am also annoyed by the editing that jumps between the ship escape and achto... Too short scenes in between that make me feel disconnected.... Anyone feels Rey character development is close to zero?
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post Sep 21 2018, 08:37 AM

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Certain scenes are beautifully shot, nevertheless terrible story and acting... I didn't feel any ripple at all watching this...
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post Feb 22 2019, 11:03 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Oct 22 2018, 12:16 AM)

I think the biggest problems with the sequel trilogies is somewhat related, but goes beyond what's mentioned in this video. It also goes beyond the arrogance of the filmmakers who constantly antagonized the fans and saw fit to butcher the films to insert their propaganda. The biggest problems are the pointlessness of the sequel trilogy.

First, we get TFA, which was a scene for scene copy of A New Hope. But the real problem isn't the fact that it was a lame rip off. Or that the story had huge plotholes and lazy story telling. The real problem was that it rendered the past six movies meaningless. We just went through decades of movies just so that we can wind up back in square one? And for what? Wait for the sequel. *dramatic drum roll*

Then we get TLJ, which proceeded to render the first movie meaningless. Which meant the previous six movies were rendered meaningless for no reason at all. As a matter of fact, TLJ goes out of its way to render everything meaningless. And all for what? Surprise, surprise, no good reason at all. We got a brand new baddie? Pointless anti climactic death. We got a Finn vs Phasma narrative? Pointless death with no story arc at all. Knights of Ren? Pointless. Holdo keeping things secret? Pointless. Finn going to the casino? Pointless. Finn sacrificing himself? The one scene which might actually be good? Saved by the girl, rendering the girl's entire character and story arc pointless. Rey's mystery parents? Pointless nobodies. Rey going to find Luke? Pointless. But what about Luke? Surely seeing Luke again was great? His entire story arc from A New Hope until now was rendered pointless and he got a pointless death. I could go on.

So, at the end of the day, what is the point of all this pointlessness? There is no point. See, that's what happens when you try to tell a trilogy but you have no story to tell over 3 movies. This whole thing has just been a rush job to force a movie into existence so that they can sell more toys. If they actually had an awesome story to tell, no one would be complaining about the arrogance of the filmmakers or the butchering of the franchise. Everyone would be busy rewatching the movies. But many people aren't now, are they? They're busy complaining because the whole freaking sequel trilogy has been an exercise in pointlessness.
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Agree... Especially that TLJ really undo all before that, in the name to be different. Ryan Johnson did an absolutely horrible job here and some ppl actually think highly of him... See if you want to see a new story in a starwars saga, don't continue from the original trilogy and existing characters You can't put Skywalkers in it and try to mess with the characters and story just to so called appeal new audience... the original characters are best left as it was from original trilogy...


 

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