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post Nov 21 2011, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(leongal @ Nov 5 2011, 08:08 PM)
if blacklisted by CCRIS and CTOS, still can apply supplementary credit card? anyone know?

also, can they have debit cards? thanks
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Yes, u can apply for supp card and debit card.
Supp card basically dont need to pay anything and all liabilities on the principal cardholder.
Debit card is direct debit from your bank account so there is no risk involved.


Added on November 21, 2011, 12:24 pm
QUOTE(finch! @ Oct 28 2011, 02:39 PM)
If blacklisted in Telcos (I have 2, maxis and u mobile), and it reflected in CTOS records right? Does it affect future loan approval(s) that I might apply? Cause I’ve applied CC from 2 banks, both rejected (CIMB & MAYBANK).
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Blacklisted by Telcos usually not shown in CCRIS (except u owe them for more than RM25k).
However, it might shown in CTOS.
If you are at border line (stuck can or cannot type of case) then most probably bank wont take the risk.
Especially if its your 1st CC then more difficult.

This post has been edited by luvimp: Nov 21 2011, 12:24 PM
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post Nov 22 2011, 02:28 PM

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QUOTE(curious_furious @ Nov 21 2011, 04:10 PM)
Hi,

I would just like to check. I defaulted on my credit card payment for HSBC as i was young and naive back then and took on too much over my head. I settled of my entire outstanding balance in one go over 2 yrs ago. Would this be captured in CTOS and CCRIS?

Also when i was attached to a certain telco company recently, my IC was misused and i found out that there have been several lines registered to unknown ppl with my IC details and i am being sent lawyer letters for this. Is this also captured in CCRIS and CTOS?

Can CCRIS be cleared out after a certain period of no loan / credit card etc?

I am rather worried and confused. I want to start on a clean slate as i have learnt my lesson but there is a nagging feeling in the back of my head that this will haunt my records forever.  sad.gif  sad.gif  sad.gif
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Your records of default will be in the CCRIS and CTOS.
Even cases from year 1990s still shown in the record up until today.
However, if as u said that u hav settled all of it 2 years ago then it will also be shown in the system.
Therefore, it should be ok to apply for credits again.
However, u said that u hav issues with Telco default too.
Which i believe it will also be shown in the system.
May i know when was it happened and is it settled?
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post Nov 23 2011, 05:06 PM

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QUOTE(curious_furious @ Nov 22 2011, 06:05 PM)
The defaulted payment for telco is not my fault. My IC was misused and the lines never belonged to me. Up to date the telco has not cleared the case out which is frustrating esp when ur trying to avoid such issues to keep a clean slate. This happened about 3 yrs ago and still unsettled because i refuse to pay for something that is not mine.


Added on November 22, 2011, 6:08 pm
I actually dont want to apply for credit cards. I rather pay cash if i want to buy something. But my concern is if i need to get a housing loan or car loan..as of now i never bought a car or house due to this..worried that it will get rejected.. cry.gif
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Yes, i know it is not your fault but it wont be shown in the CTOS that way.
They will just know that u have defaulted Telco payment.
So it wont look good for your records.

Surely it is fine to use cash compare with credit card.
But i can tell u that someone without a credit card before taking loan for housing loan or car loan comparing with someone who has credit card.
There have a big different.
When a bank run CCRIS and your record of banking facilities granted is 0 and u applying for full loan of housing or car loan, it will be difficult.
Because u dont have a track record for them to analyse.
Most probably they will finance u lower margin.

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post Nov 24 2011, 12:58 PM

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QUOTE(curious_furious @ Nov 23 2011, 05:19 PM)
Then its rather unfair..because my IC was misused..any suggestion on how to clear it from CTOS? May i know how you know all this if you dont mind me asking?
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Yes, its unfair but banks trust the CCRIS and CTOS more than our talking.
The banks dont know u and only way to understand the customer is through the systems.
I think u should look into the telco fraud issue and get the telco either waive the amount or find a way to settle it.
Once u have the settlement letter then it will much better to apply for loans.

I work at credit risk assessment industry which involved everything mentioned here daily.
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post Dec 6 2011, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(mtsen @ Dec 2 2011, 11:57 PM)
how to clear name from ctos result from a dispute ?
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First, u must clear the dispute with the particular company.
Then inform that company to clear up all the blacklisted in CTOS, CCRIS or FIS.
Else, if u know that u are only blacklisted at CTOS then send the settlement letter to CTOS and inform them to add in remark or clear the case from your name in CTOS.


Added on December 6, 2011, 9:56 am
QUOTE(vanderbilt @ Dec 5 2011, 09:40 PM)
Let's say I have three credit cards now all with outstanding balances. If I clear the balances on all my credit cards before 10th December 2011 (i was told BNM's cutoff date for ccris is every 15th of each month), will my ccris report on 16th December state that I have no outstanding balance on all my cards? Just curious.
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Yes, u are right.
They usually update their report by 15th of every month.
If you are to settle by 10th then it should be updated.
However u should understand how MALAYSIA ALMIGHTY GOVERNMENT works, do expect them to do something funny to cause us trouble. icon_question.gif

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post Dec 12 2011, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(Slekerz @ Dec 11 2011, 11:30 PM)
Hello,i'm blacklisted from bank for car loan about RM21K, this month i will finally pay all my settlement with the bank so after this i clear from my debt, my bank officer that handle my case say that the bank will give to me release letter after i finish this debt, i want to know when i will can start apply for loan ?

she said after the bank give me release letter i can apply loan after that, just need confirmation from u guys, do i need go to CTOS office to clear my name from their system? icon_question.gif
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Once u have your settlement letter then you can attach a copy for the loan.
Usually CTOS wont update so fast but the settlement letter should be sufficient.
But do not expect too much on your loan even though you have settled the outstanding as you only settled it recently.
Until you build up a good record, bank will still be very aware of you.


Added on December 12, 2011, 3:06 pm
QUOTE(Twilight Prophet @ Dec 12 2011, 07:35 AM)
Hi all,

I need advice urgently:

1. Will an application for share margin financing appear in CCRIS (and would it make any difference if it is from stockbrokers like HDBS or OSK vs commercial banks like Alliance or CIMB? Since the former is governed by Bursa Rules while the later is governed by Bank Negara?)

2. I am in the middle of refinancing my property with Pub lic Bank and will sign loan agreement in 1-2 weeks. However, the money will only be released 5-6 months from now. In the meantime, I'll thinking of applying for share margin financing to take advantage of any opportunities in the stock market. Will applying for two big credit facilities within 1-2 months of each other be considered "risky" and "desperate" behaviour and is there any danger of Pub lic Bank withdrawing or refusing to release the home loan money later?

I've never missed a payment in my life so my CRIS record should be spotless. And I am financially sound - I am only desperate not to miss investment opportunities.

Thanks!

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If PBB has been your bank since long ago and all your facilities are from them then they will have no problem giving you the share margin account.
Because they have all your records and they definitely will do it to maintain a good existing customer (as you said your record is spotless).
If it is with another bank then it will depend on their appetite.

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post Dec 15 2011, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(kachun_liew @ Dec 15 2011, 09:23 AM)
Hi,yesterday just go bank negara to print out my credit report.
shown 1032221111  . luckily my name didint appear cctos...can i still can apply loan
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Out of all the banking facilities shown in CCRIS, how many is not prompt?
If they didnt blacklist you then your name wont be shown in CTOS.
However, all the bank will run the CCRIS report so they can see your repayment records for sure.
Wat kinda loan u are looking at?
Also, how much is your credit limit usage?
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post Dec 16 2011, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(kachun_liew @ Dec 15 2011, 05:52 PM)
alright ! so far im just decline by aeon credit personal loan.is about 10k.have any idea bank to easily apply personal loan..
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If you are rejected by Aeon Credit then i am pretty sure most other banks will also reject you.
It would be best to apply after you make your payment for existing banking facilities promptly.
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post Dec 23 2011, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(don2c @ Dec 20 2011, 09:08 PM)
Hi all, i got some question, need to find out ANSWER here, pls help......

Story:

I got total 4 credit cards since 2003 which is under MBB, CIMB, HSBC, OCBC.
But i stop make any payment since 2005 till now( due to financial problem), and all cards are cancel by bank.
Recently i wish to settle all outstanding balance, so i went to print my C cris report, but it only shown MBB and CIMB under the Special Attntion Account, then i ask my frenz who work in bank help me to print the C tos report, but there was nothing records under my name or ic....
So, my question is,

1. How could the HSBC and OCBC didn't reflects in either C cris or C tos report?
2. Is it means if i fully settle only MBB and CIMB, then after 6-12 months, i can start apply for all bank's facility?

Thanks lot for answer...
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If you have printed out the CCRIS report and only MBB and CIMB under special attention then u should settle that 2 records 1st.
Maybe for the CTOS report u can go to their office to print another copy to be sure.

It could be the HSBC and OCBC did not pursuit with legal on you at that point of time.
Yes, after u settle MBB and CIMB and continue to be prompt paymaster for your PL then u should be fine to apply for bank facilities.


Added on December 23, 2011, 10:03 am
QUOTE(ojangdenn @ Dec 22 2011, 02:26 AM)
hi,
i need help on ctos.i try to make a pl before this but the bank said i got a ctos record and im blacklisted.i never know about it until this time.

my question is, how come my ccris record is clear but i got ctos record?i never received any letter of reminder since the past 10 years from anyone,any bank regarding any legal action on me.

fyi, i already make a biz loan with one bank twice within this past 5 years with no problem and never mentioned about any blacklisted..but each time i try to apply for cc and pl all got rejected.none of the bank tell me why i got rejected until this officer who help me with my latest pl saying tht i got ctos.

i already call ctos office regarding this matter.they ask me to walk in and do my enquiry and to check my status.how the hell im going up to k.l just to check my status on weekday while im working.i lived 100miles away from klang valley.this ctos really really pissed me off.

is there anyway that i can know my status without going to their office and without send them the enquiry letter tht will took 2-3 weeks for them to reply on my status?

also, will bank strictly define u as blacklisted when u got ctos record and not ccris record?will u loose all the bank facility like pl cc or others just bcoz u got ctos?this is cruel..i never know about this till today and still i never know on wat case that im blacklisted..please help me out.

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It is possible that you have no problem in CCRIS yet blacklisted in CTOS.
Not everything can be shown in CCRIS except for those bank facilities.
While CTOS are used by alot of companies, they can blacklist you even if you did not pay for goods received.
You have no other way but to get the CTOS report in order to understand who blacklisted u.
Maybe u can check with the bank which rejected u to let u know who blacklisted u so u can settle it.
You definitely wont lose your existing banking facilities because u are blacklisted.
You just cant apply for new one.


Added on December 23, 2011, 10:13 am
QUOTE(fjoru103 @ Dec 22 2011, 11:12 AM)
For bankruptcy issue, is it true it will be remove after 10 years?
Or not? as in even without paying or settle the debt
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It wont be remove.
But most of the bankers do ignore any legal issues which is more than 10 years.
However, it is definitely within their call to ask for discharge letter even though it is long ago.
Therefore, please do keep your copy of discharge letter even though it is long ago.

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post Dec 27 2011, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(ojangdenn @ Dec 23 2011, 05:40 PM)
thanks for ur answer.this is cruel.i lived my happy lifes before this but now i feels like someone stalking me.more worst idk where did i do wrong.

no wonder my pl rejected.issit possible for me to apply for my 1st cc?tq
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If u dont settle your blacklist and get the settlement letter ready.
It is almost impossible to apply for anything.
However, if you are applying for car loan or housing then it could be possible to get if u go for lower margin.
PL and CC not possible.
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QUOTE(jAkUn @ Jan 3 2012, 04:19 AM)
hi,

i would like to know, how bad it is being in CTOS, because of RM2k, from P1  defaulted due to I already have my termination notice 2 years ago, and yet they still charging me and wanting me to pay for it.

What can I do to clear it?
Through which legal channel?
How much does it affected your loans application?
How much longer does it takes to clear CTOS records?

Thanks in advance. smile.gif
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Usually for default on telco, it will be shown at the Trade Reference section.
It wouldn't be so bad but it will depend on other factors.
For example, your payment for existing banking facilities also not that good then the default in Telco will make them feel even more insecure.
However, if your payment is good but you have this telco payment default then they might still do it.
Telco default is not a major issue for consideration for banks.

To clear it i believe you need to go to P1 centre and let them know about this issue.
Since your termination has been made then they should waive all charges after that and make sure that they give you a discharge letter.
Also, inform them to clear your name from CTOS.
Should not involve any $$ from what you mentioned.
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QUOTE(leongal @ Jan 9 2012, 10:26 AM)
sorrie...tis question might be asked before, but cant really get the answer: if a person with bad CCRIS record - can apply for supplementary credit card?
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No problem.
Principal cardholder is the person responsible so they dont mind to give u supp card if the principal is paying promptly.
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QUOTE(chrisw @ Jan 9 2012, 10:16 PM)
Hi, i was trying to open an investment account in a bank today & got surprised that I was blacklisted. I went to check at CTOS straightaway and found that my record was actually clean, can I know why am I blacklisted in "the" bank's record out of no where? I got the copies from CTOS & thought to go back to the bank and ask tomorrow..
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Maybe u should check with them where are u blacklisted?
CTOS, CCRIS or their own internal blacklist?

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QUOTE(faris21 @ Jan 11 2012, 08:31 PM)
I buy a car yesterday,the today the bank call and say they cant approve my loan bcos i have CTOS RM50 and should pay it to tt.com, i never heard tt.com, what should i do
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Then u should ask that person if u settle it then they will approve it for sure or not?
They say yes then only u pay it.
U can always ask more info from them as u have not heard of that company before.
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QUOTE(Red.N.Ivar @ Jan 30 2012, 08:51 PM)
I just returned to Malaysia after about 14 years abroad. I am now getting everything together. I went to CCRIS and everything was fine. I checked on CTOS and found 2 items outstanding. One was a house loan that the person I asked to take care off ignored. The house got auctioned and the bank debt was cleared and the remainder of the money was returned to me. I am not sure why this is still on my record with CTOS. The second was was someone else loan that I was a guarantor to. He bought a sewing machine with Singer back in 95 and had an outstanding payment of RM$1290. Unfortunately as a guarantor, my name was on the court proceeding.

Neither of these are of any credit card loans and one has been settled, while the other is not my loan. My question is would these effect my Credit card application.
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If your house has been auctioned and the outstanding amount has been settled then you can always request for a discharge letter from the bank.
For the case with Singer which dated back at year 1995, you can ignore it cause:-

1) you are just a guarantor
2) case dated more than 10 years ago
3) small amount of RM1k+

If any bank ask you can just say that it was settled long ago and you have lost the discharge letter.
Most important now will be your housing loan issue.
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QUOTE(leongal @ Feb 9 2012, 10:15 PM)
will frequent bounce cheques from the current accounts affect CCRIS and CTOS record?
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Definitely no.
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post Feb 14 2012, 12:48 PM

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QUOTE(Alantris @ Feb 14 2012, 01:46 AM)
This has been one great thread on finance. In the end, lesson is, manage your finance properly.

I've had a bad start thus a bad financial reputation for the past few years, settling it wasn't easy. All started with an "innocent" 5K loan which I defaulted (this was 7 years back) Which ended up me having to pay 12K settlement and still have my credit report showing bad. Then, i have one credit card, an amex. Other than that, have been juggling with life just to make ends meets. Recently, I managed to settle what's remaining of the past 7 years of financial misery. I though it's a clean sheet for me now. for 2 months free of any loan repayments or bank calls. However, I decided i need a new transport as my current one is getting to the stage of uneconomical to maintain.. and guess what.. Loan rejected.

Not sure why, 60K loan and I earn 6k per month, with no commitments, and only 1 charge card (which is a company card). I guess it's the old records haunting me eh.... Maybe I'll just have to wait for a couple of months before the creditors finally agrees I'm a changed man (financially). Life's a b*tch.

My advice to youngsters, fresh grads, hold back the temptation for a fancy new gadget, nice expensive car or simply ez cash. You're like a clean white financial cloth, only stain urself with what u can clean up... if u jump into the mud, it's a struggle to get out.. and then, there's cleaning up the mess...
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Well said.

By the way, u can always try applying again with 80% or even 70% loan.
With that margin, you minimised the bank risk and they will most probably consider.
Try to avoid bank like PBB cause they are more choosy and picky.

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QUOTE(ptit @ Mar 2 2012, 10:32 AM)
I already make full payment and have settlement remark in my ctos...but how long it takes for ctos to clear it from their system?
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They wont do it.
You have to tell them to do it.
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post Mar 6 2012, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(jflcorp @ Mar 6 2012, 09:08 AM)
Useless this ctos already making a lot of money destroying people's image. After you finish off everything you still have to request them to strike off your name?
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They do update it but not that quick.
If you can wait then it should be ok.
If u clear the debt because u wanted to apply for something ASAP then u need to inform them.
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QUOTE(jflcorp @ Mar 6 2012, 04:17 PM)
Oic. Anyways, never ever want to deal with them. Just taking opportunity on people's downfall!
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They are just a service provider and people who subscribe to their service will need to pay in order to use it.
So i think you should blame on the demand from the subscriber.


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