exams are good... when all are equal

abolish matriculation...

certainly no.

why?

well, first of all, there's boarding school. this boarding school rely on upsr result (for boarding school which provide f1-f5) n pmr result (for boarding school which onlt provide f4 n f5 only) for student intake.

plus, based on upsr n pmr result, the student can keep updated with their performance when compared to all students in d country.

to me, this is what keeping us to continue study, the major exams like upsr n pmr. spm is a must of course so i wont talk bout it here.

thus, i cant see any apparent reason on why upsr n pmr should b demolished at all.

Absolutely no!

Coz when they abolish this exams, kids tend to take for the granted, make them much more lazier to study.

Kids now a days exposed to the entertainment too much! If there is no such exam, means there is no force to push them to study.

it'll help a great deal more should somebody can explain exactly why these 2 exams are to be abolished?

I second that. But not all kids are like that. I have friend who play 24/7 but still can get straight A1 in SPM =)

PMR is a hell no, if abolish then how to classify people to a suitable stream?

PMR is there NOT for classification purposes. hell, if PMR isnt there, they will just let people choose which stream they want. apela susah sangat?

In some schools, when people claim for their PMR results, the school officer will hand them a piece of paper, which may suggest them to science or arts stream, depending on their results. So the school has informed all the students that they have to achieve a specific grade to get into science stream before sitting for PMR exam only if they wish to enter science stream. Some students don't bother what they have said, and in the end, they want to get into science stream with a result that doesn't meet the requirements. They strictly die want to enter and ended up in a probation class. After a few months, they were sent back to Arts for not maintaining their results. What a waste! Have to buy perdagangan books again!! Most of my "form mates" whined and blamed the school only. Have they work hard to achieve the route they want to follow? No offense, it's just that science subjects are more complicated than any other arts subjects which contain formulas. If it's so easy, then what's the point of existence of PMR? Means, even "Ah Zhu Ah Mao" (those lazy@sses) also can enter then? I admit that I am considered a bright student, but a bright student can only success when there is an effort done. It's not easy to achieve a dream, even a genius.. as one of the LYN members posted just now.

Source: My friends who went for science probation, my school and KDU which required at least of 5A's for entering science (not included geo).

Seriously, most students just studies to passed their examinations not to fully understand what they are studying.

u see, if art is so easy where u can score lots of As, and the scholarships only look at how many As rather than what subjects u have, why dont everyone switch to arts? take extra 1-2 science subjects like physics and bio to keep ur options open, and u can score easily, right?

Not really.. I prefer Practical Examinations than Written Examinations.

But seriously, what's the point of examinations if it's only purpose is to let kids study like hell and then forget about it.

I'm not against the examinations and not with it. I think that examinations are good but sometimes we have to many tests and exams.

well, u just clarified my statement.

PMR is a measure of the students' abilities, but not for classification. schools merely suggests the streams according to the abilities of the students, yet the student can still choose to go into science stream if they want. truthfully, i'm an art (sastera) oriented student, but i have no problems in coping with pure science subject. it has nothing to do with science is harder than art, bcoz that's pure bullshit. i've seen students who switched from science to art who cant cope with it, and eventually switched back to science.

u see, if art is so easy where u can score lots of As, and the scholarships only look at how many As rather than what subjects u have, why dont everyone switch to arts? take extra 1-2 science subjects like physics and bio to keep ur options open, and u can score easily, right?

the scholarships only look at how many As rather than what subjects u have,

So are you trying to say, those art students who scored all a's will get scholarships in medic?  

Different streams got diffrent scholarship.and who said Art is easier?If you are lazy, anything can be hard.

Frankly speaking, PMR is too easy. I remember in my school there were 2 guys who are gangsters never study and came out straight A.What is the standard there when everyone studying like shit and they played like hell also get the same result?

and i must remind you that there is no such thing as

the scholarships only look at how many As rather than what subjects u have,

So are you trying to say, those art students who scored all a's will get scholarships in medic?  

Different streams got diffrent scholarship.and who said Art is easier?If you are lazy, anything can be hard.

Speaking of the issues of exams:

Take a look here:

http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/index.html

That's the VCE system as adopted by Victoria, Australia. 2 things that I would like to point out for comparison:
- Assessments are not purely via exam, but also by given tasks or projects to be completed
- No such thing as the splitting into Science or Arts streams, but students r allowed to pick from a rather wide range of subjects to be taken, depending on what they wish to progress into at the tertiary level.

So, basically the questions are:
- for those argument against exams, what do you think of such assessment methods instead?
- for those who argue for streaming, what do you think of such a system instead of the traditional and rather outdated science/arts streams?

read carefully and think about it.

scholarship only look at how many As u score. university intakes look at what subjects u score. there's a difference.

scholarship only look at how many As u score. university intakes look at what subjects u score.

Again, u dun get what I mean, r u?
What i m trying to say is, there is a certain number they fixed for each stream.
For eg, JPA, art stream, hw many ppl....Scn stream hw many will get ..The number is fixed and again, is it possible for an art student to get scholarship for MEDIC?

   
Read carefully and think of it

How the heck in the world, an art student can get medic scholarship when he dun even study in scn stream?

   
So, u r actually telling me that art student can get free scholarship to UTP?    

I could agree with you more. There's lacking of something actually in our education system. They should have focus more on All-rounded student rather than implementing exam-based education which is of no use in my point of view. I'm currently 1st year student in local varsity. yes it's true tat in varsity, the education system is base on exams, assignments, quizzes and so on. But the problem that arise now is whether the assignments are done by the students themselves?

I have a senior who didnt do his assigns all the times but yet he is able to score high marks. This is because all of the so called Group Assigns are done by the active member of the group.  Is it fair?? But of cuz u need to get a group member who's willing to do all the work as well.. The problem now is, will those lecturers notice such situation.

It's kind of worrying bcuz it's my 1st year now.. Such a senior is setting bad example of others....
Just sharing my thoughts

Again, u dun get what I mean, r u?
What i m trying to say is, there is a certain number they fixed for each stream.
For eg, JPA, art stream, hw many ppl....Scn stream hw many will get ..The number is fixed and again, is it possible for an art student to get scholarship for MEDIC?

   
Read carefully and think of it

How the heck in the world, an art student can get medic scholarship when he dun even study in scn stream?

   
So, u r actually telling me that art student can get free scholarship to UTP?    

it should not be abolish ... student should face this kind of exam to test themselves about everything they've learned and if its abolished.. student might not student so hard cuz they dont need to do exam anymore

unless the ministry of education change the system of education... like HK or singapore or USA style... dun 100% base on exam but 50% exam and 50% activities...

Hopefully one day.
I have a friend in UK. He told me that many youngsters with the age around 25 already reached their PHDs and their knowledge are far better than us. Why ?
I still vote to continue to have UPSR & PMR. Examination is one of the best test to students' intelligent standard. But, the recent standard needed to be increased.

Phd has nothing to do with how lower education is.

The definition of Phd is as :



... and I never mean without Phd is considered as "lower educated", but it does showing out a higher education standard of a person.
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No offense .... and back to the topic, please.

I vote for "No abolish".

... my SPM is 4A, 2B, 2C and 1D. how could one with such crappy results sit for a PhD, right?

Is this result considered as poor ?? 

To make it clear ... when I meant  PMR standard is low, I meant it these few years
( 2005 onwards). I know it because I have experience in education field.

i hear u. i'm just focusing on the PhD part. PhD and lower education is not directly related.

PETALING JAYA: The Malaysian Examinations Syndicate (MES) has proposed the abolishment of two major public examinations – the Ujian Pencapaian Sekolah Rendah (UPSR) in Year Six and the Penilaian Menengah Rendah (PMR) in Form Three.

Its director Datuk Dr Adi Badiozaman Tuah said there would be no public examination at the primary and lower secondary levels following the proposed introduction of school-based assessment.

“If this is approved, the UPSR will be conducted for the last time in 2012 and the PMR in 2015,” he said.

The MES has proposed five forms of assessment for students in the national education system. These will be piloted in the 30 pioneer cluster schools next year. They are:

# SCHOOL assessment – planned, developed, conducted, examined and reported by teachers in schools.

# CENTRAL assessment – involving standards, instruments, data analyses and guidelines provided by the MES.

# CENTRAL examination – fully conducted by the MES.

# PSYCHOMETRIC tests – used to measure students’ innate abilities.

# PHYSICAL activity assessment – used to evaluate and measure students’ performance and involvement in extra-curricular activities.

The MES has recommended that only the Sijil Pelajaran Malaysia for Form Five students be retained as a public, central examination at the upper secondary level.

Under the proposed move, Dr Adi said, various methods would be used to gather data about students’ growth and development, performance and achievement.

“We will empower teachers to conduct school-based assessment and give them the tools and training to carry it out effectively.

“School assessment will be given due recognition and acknowledgement,” he said after delivering the keynote address at a forum on educational assessment here yesterday.

According to Dr Adi, the ultimate aim is to reduce over-reliance and over-dependence on data obtained through centralised public examinations for information about students.

MES is devising psychometric tests which will be introduced in schools to help teachers gather data on their students – including their innate abilities, strengths, weaknesses, talents, aptitudes, attitudes, personalities and interests – to understand them better,

“There has been too much attention given to public examinations. School is now looked upon as a process of preparing students for public examinations. School assessment has lost significance and the outcome is not taken into account in students’ final grade,” said Dr Adi.

He added that the current assessment used was not holistic enough.

“The focus should not only be on academic aspects. We should also assess students’ personal and character development and involvement in extra-curricular activities.”

Even with PMR and UPSR around, students still lazy and dun wanna work hard...Imagine if there are no exams..

shouldn't be abolished...
consider learning with no goals...
people wont take learning serious without these test...

yeah man..what's the point going school but got no exam..i think student doesn't bother going to school either if no exam..

i choose no.

why want to abolish these 2 exams? they have their own purpose, and until now i dun see disadvantage for both exam.
maybe some will said no use, but try to think positively, as like other have said before, the purpose is to test students performance based on their level respectively.

ABOLISH matriculation. no fair for 90% bumis take freaking easier exams...

matriculation shld b abolish,those from matric are really bring the local university standard down.

Doing a experiment w/o knowing wad is beaker.....dis kind of standard....shld go back secondary or even primary schl.

**Express MARA r even worse,form 5 straight enter Local uni,the so-called elite,but i dun see any of them r doing well.

P/S :: These 2 r almost 100% for bumis,UM not even in top 200 dy(THES last year world ranking),other are even worse....as far we can see(if u got eyes),our local uni ranking r only dropping yr by yr.

Certainty no.

UPSR and PMR are major exam. It is one of the reason the student are studying and can give them a evaluation of their performance ( if they don't relies on leaked question and study hard)

very much no. Nowdays kids are not like what we are used to, kids nowdays are addicted to what technology has to offer including the psp and so on, kids nowdays dun even study until it is 2 months b4 upsr or pmr. So when u abolish it, no kid will even want to study at all. And spm will show the effect of it

haiz pmr tembak objective also can pass(sometimes get A also got). after they pass u think they wan study anymore?

I don't think there's such need to abolish UPSR or PMR. Since primary school students have studied 6 years, there should be a formal examination to certify their academic achievements. UPSR provides a clear aim for the students, although studying is not solely to score in exams, but it too provides mental preparation for the students for their future exams such as PMR or SPM. Though people now don't actually care about UPSR, but in my opinion it's important as it can promote positive competition among students, as well as setting a standard for the secondary schools to sort the students according to ranking or result in classes.

UPSR/PMR should not be taken as a kind of extortion, it should be taken seriously! But I don't think there's such need for UPSR leavers/Form 1 students to get any scholarship, since Form 1 doesn't really have much fee to pay except some annual fee (since textbooks now is already rented by the government)...

Bro i wish to corect part of ur statement..yes..form 1 there is nt much fees student hv to pay..bt hw bout thoz who wanna go to private school? getting a scholarship cn save $$..y not? 

when did i say no scholarship = abolish UPSR ? lolx.. that is nt my statement..make ur fact str8 plz

Sorry sorry.. I have mistaken your words =) We should support those companies who give scholarships anyway.

  peace peace, v r on the same line, haha, abolish major exams is nt a gd move, bt abolish moral in SPM is a gd move, haha