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frega
post May 9 2009, 08:14 PM

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i sighed a little when it ended. i like it BUT, huge but...

it felt like a michael bay movie to be honest. so action packed, so flashy with the crazy lens flare use and FX, so...mainstream. which isnt necessarily bad, just didnt feel like star trek. no prime directive(yes there was no prime directive at that time) but its like it has no direction! If this were a parallel universe... there might be a possibility that the prime directive might not even come to existent in this timeline yawn.gif god that would suck so much.

it might be the end of the star trek we knew and love. bye bye sleek metal voyager, hello apple store voyager.

Chekov was so cute tho.

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post May 9 2009, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(lycaphim @ May 9 2009, 08:25 PM)
Correction: So Kurtzman & Orci. See Transformers.
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Oh shit, really? The first thing that came to my mind after watching it was like...

THIS FEELS LIKE TRANSFORMERS.... IN SPACE.
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post May 9 2009, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(nwk @ May 9 2009, 09:27 PM)
the prime directive is what made star trek boring. you can't do this, you can't do that, etc. i like this new star trek and the way it's going. nothing to hold them back now. anything goes and if the borg shows up in front of them, they will probably shoot first, ask questions later. i like it!!!!!!!! to hell with the prime directive!!!!!!
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Yes it sounds exciting and fun, but...

ST is supposed to be a representation of the future, but noooo.... lets go back to our barbaric ways, shoot first, talk later? Starfleet is a para-military organization, there'll be rules and such. Its not a one-man show called the Enterprise and their big guns.

WTF Kirk promoted to Cadet -> Captain of the Federation Flagship when he's still picking up chicks in bars 3 years before?

WTF is with the shipyard on Earth when they werent making planet landing capable ships back then.

WTF is red matter that is capable of creating blackholes

WTF is being right in front of a blackhole and Enterprise just sits in front of it with and not being affected by it.

WTF happened to the blackholes that swallowed Vulcan and Nero's ship? Did it just poof? Blackholes DO NOT poof.

WTF is Nero's ship looking like a tentacled octopus when its a frakking mining vessel.

WTF is with the Romulan's tattoo, didnt even care to explain. Probably just there so they look badass, just like their ship. Hell they dont even look like Romulans.

GODDAMNIT, this just pisses me off so much.




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post May 9 2009, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(BelowAverage @ May 9 2009, 11:20 PM)
u nd to watch more star trek episode.
if they explain everything, it will be too loooooooooooonnnnnnnggg and booooooooorrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiinngggg.

I like JJAbram style.
keep it simple and awesome.

eg. Cloverfield, they didnt explain every bullshyt in the movie, which it makes it interesting.
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I probably watched more than you. They explain stuff in the series. Star Trek = science. Even tho its technobabble, its technobabble that made sense and some has real world implications.

If they made a advanced torpedo that can pass thru shields, they'll tell you, its transphasic torpedo and its in a state of flux, which is why it goes thru shield like it werent there. Simple, made sense.

Matter antimatter, which does exist outside ST, does indeed work like it is in ST, in that it annihilates each other and produces energy. And they use it as "fuel".

I'm sorry but I didnt watch Cloverfield. And this is not Cloverfield.

This is a franchise that has evolved since the 60s to what it is now. I do not agree of this dumbing down to make it as a summer blockbuster type movie so Paramount can make money. And why do I say this? Cause every dumb, dumb and dumbass will like "Oh it was awesome and cool, and the special effects were sooo badasss!" after they watch it under the influence of shrooms.

Meaning it was made to be flashy and simple so it'll sell sell sell.


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QUOTE(n00b13 @ May 9 2009, 11:44 PM)
This is what the movies are all about. Ever since The Wrath of Khan, the best Trek movies have always been fast-paced outer space action-adventures. You want scientific exploration plus social issues, watch the various TV series. A movie has to be, first and foremost, fun.
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I'm sorry I was just expecting more from a futuristic franchise to do some explaining and not make up some liquid in red that can pop up blackholes with just a freaking drop.

I do not mind the action. But there's just serious plot issues and vast list of inaccuracies, ie not following simple STverse guidelines or you know logic.

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post May 10 2009, 08:55 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 10 2009, 01:36 AM)
in the military, u can advance quickly if u perform in the field. similarly, starfleet conforms to naval structure.
good question!
this is explained in the tie-in comic miniseries.
they're outside the event horizon. this is also explained in the comics.
it's still there. blackholes dont get bigger. if u noticed, u cant see the stars behind the "hole". contrary to popular beliefs, black holes are spherical, not a two dimensional like a sinkhole.
i believe this is in the comics as well.
also in the comics as well.
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No, cadet = havent yet to graduated from the academy. and no they do not promote them straight to captain and given the most powerful ship in the federation.

More plotholes:
The drill lands RIGHT ON TOP of starfleet headquarters and you know they panic they do nothing and left it to kirk and sulu to destroy it with f***ing phaser rifles.

Kirk being chased by a subterranean monster that is furless on an icyplanet. we know kirk cant die, chase scene was made just for the sake of making it. Hell, none of the characters felt like it was in any danger at any point.

The odds of kirk finding old spock AND them finding scotty on some derelict planet? wow

A supernova destroying many star systems and romulus? really.

event horizon of a blackhole is you know RIGHT IN FRONT OF IT. and if the 2 man-made blackholes after it ate the planet/ship were still there, you would know its there cos it'll start sucking up everything.

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I guess I have to read the comics to understand the rest of it.

And for the plotholes and bad science in the older ST movies, it was the frakking 60s. Newer ones dont go too "way out there". ST science is the only scifi that has science roots.

What you guys said is correct. In order to appeal to the masses, they need to do like a POW BAM WHOA BOOM scene every 5 mins or people get bored. Its kinda sad isnt it?

ST movies used to promote thinking, educate even. I remember watching Insurrection and think about social / rights issues. I remember watching Voyager and wikipedia-ing all the science stuff I dont understand and in turn learn about said phenomenon or whatever technology that was mentioned. It was the thing that made me interested in science, to know about string theory etc etc.

Its sad that kids and people generally have an attention span of a monkey and only want to be entertained by flashy special effects and explosions in every scene. Do everyone actually park their brains outside the cinema before they enter? or do they leave it in the car?

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post May 10 2009, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(azarimy @ May 10 2009, 10:04 AM)
if i recall correctly, the biggest perk of passing the kobayashi maru test is being promoted to ensign. nobody have ever passed it before as it has no winnable situation. kirk "cheated", although it is within parameters, but not apparent yet during the trial. while the trial is still pending due to the attack by nero, he was promoted to first officer by captain pike. with the absence of captain pike and spock out of commission, he was the acting captain for a brief period of time where he excelled.

yes, this version of kirk excelled much faster than the original kirk.

by the way, this film does have its scientific merits, it's just not embedded in the movie. i've just bought the 4 issue comic miniseries, and it does give u a more detailed idea of what's going on, where and how certain things came the way it is. if u're interested:

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kirk didnt actually pass it however and was put on suspension. but yes the chain of command seemed non-existant. pike decision to promote kirk from nothing to something. command was passed to so many people so many times...

Okay now it starts to make some sense... I will need to read this comic mini series.

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post May 14 2013, 05:49 PM

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its entertaining, but only as entertaining as other summer action movies.
i'm over it.

gimme borg and post voyager and high tech space battles.
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post May 16 2013, 12:42 PM

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QUOTE(janisu @ May 16 2013, 12:00 PM)
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No. I hope JJ leaves the franchise to do Star Wars where this type of action format is more applicable.

Star Trek with minimal space battles is booooooooo.

 

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