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 Why Some Systems with NVIDIA Parts Have Problems., It's all NVIDIA's fault (maybe)...

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post Aug 15 2008, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(choyster @ Aug 13 2008, 11:43 PM)
seems like nvidia is having a hard time although i am a ati fan boy i do not wish nvidia to fall because it's bad for us the consumer
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hahaha yeah...last time i need 2 give ATI lifeline...now i need 2 give nvidiot lifeline pulak hahaha...what a twist of fate 2 another major player

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post Aug 15 2008, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(Terence573 @ Aug 15 2008, 01:06 AM)
talking G8x chips......will aspire 5920 affect too?
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as long as it is base on G92 chip ...

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NVIDIA Die Package Problem Might Affect Desktop Parts
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post Aug 23 2008, 03:39 PM

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Hye all!! i'm looking Integrated NVIDIA® GeForce® 9100M G graphics driver for WinXP. The best search currently is from:

http://www.acer.co.th/acerthai2/index.php?...2ebe796f5163db8

But to download from this web site is too slow although i on good connection. Therefore can someone here generously to share with me which i can download it? really need ur help.Thanxs
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post Aug 23 2008, 09:39 PM

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try www.laptopvideo2go.com
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post Aug 24 2008, 03:04 AM

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QUOTE(astria @ Aug 23 2008, 09:39 PM)
try www.laptopvideo2go.com
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post Aug 24 2008, 11:57 PM

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I am prepare to purchase a laptop with Nvidia 9600M GS chipset, is this batch affected ?

I am lookign forward for this as is it the cheapest in it's range
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post Aug 25 2008, 12:50 AM

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QUOTE(titarium @ Aug 24 2008, 11:57 PM)
I am prepare to purchase a laptop with Nvidia 9600M GS chipset, is this batch affected ?

I am lookign forward for this as is it the cheapest in it's range
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anything base on G92 / G94, try to avoid that for a moment...until nvidia clearly state that G92/G94 is safe to buy
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post Aug 25 2008, 04:55 AM

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that was too bad.
my budget only allowed me to get those build in G92 chiset notebook
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QUOTE(pikacu @ Aug 25 2008, 12:50 AM)
anything base on G92 / G94, try to avoid that for a moment...until nvidia clearly state that G92/G94 is safe to buy
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is 9600M GS a G92/G94 or any chance it relates to G84/G86
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QUOTE(titarium @ Aug 25 2008, 06:24 PM)
is 9600M GS a G92/G94 or any chance it relates to G84/G86
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currently all GeForce 9 series is base on G92 chips (for 9600GT, they use G94 chips), same case goes to GeForce 8600/8400, they also use G92 chips
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post Aug 27 2008, 06:05 PM

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[LATEST UPDATES]

-From The Inquirer (again):

1. Nvidia changes desktop G86 for no reason.

2. Jen-Hsun on Nvidia's bad chips.

-Will update the first post later.


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post Sep 2 2008, 10:54 AM

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[LATEST UPDATES]

-Now, now, finally some detailed and reasonable explanations for all these messes. Look likes Charlie really did his homework (research) to bring these up.

-First, (Part 1) Why Nvidia's chips are defective:

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The problem is extremely complex and defies a simple explanation. It involves multiple poor choices, multiple engineering failures, and likely a few bad accounting choices. This piece could also have been entitled: "More than you ever wanted to know about bumping, and then some: How not to do things". But we will simplify the science and technical details as much as possible to make it accessible, so some things may be oversimplified.
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The end result of the failures is that bumps crack between the bump and the substrate on a chip, not on the bump to die side. When this happens to a signal bump, game over for the GPU or MCP. What is a bump, die and substrate? Why is it happening? That is a long and technical story.
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-So, you have to read the entire article. wink.gif

-Next, (Part 2) Why Nvidia's duff chips are due to shoddy engineering:

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Let's go down the checklist for Nvidia. High thermal load? Check. Unforgiving high lead bumps. Check. Eutectic pads? Check. Low Tg underfill? Check. Hot spots that exceed the underfill Tg? Check. If you are thinking this looks bad, you are right, expensive too.
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-Again, you should read the entire article to fully understand the whole point. According to them, Part 3 will be coming shortly. As as disclaimer, all responsibility of the authenticity of this facts are belongs to The Inquirer.


Regards.

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[LATEST UPDATE]

-Another update from The Inquirer: the promised final part - (Part 3) What Nvidia should do now.

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In the end, it comes down to Nvidia screwing up badly on package engineering and testing, then trying as best they can to bury the problem while passing the buck. It appears that every Nvidia 65nm and 55nm part with high lead bumps and/or low Tg underfill are defective, it is just a question of how defective they are, and when they will die.

As far as we are able to tell, contrary to Nvidia's vague statements blaming suppliers, there are no materials defects at work here. Every material they used lived up to the claimed specs, and every material they used would have done the job while kept within the advertised parameters. Nvidia's engineering failures put overdue stress on the parts, and several failures compounded to make two generations of defective parts. The suppliers and subcontractors did exactly what they were told, Nvidia just told them to do the wrong thing.

When it started talking about this, Nvidia failed crisis management 101, and the coverup shows it doesn't care about consumers, just its bottom line. NV is doing exactly the wrong thing for the wrong reasons, and the lawyers circling with class action paperwork in hand are going to eat them alive
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-Read the rest of the article to find out.


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post Sep 11 2008, 11:28 AM

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Nvidia slapped with lawsuit by it's own shareholders!!! shocking.gif :

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Nvidia-la...-chip,6345.html
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/video/display...lure_Rates.html

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