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post Aug 28 2008, 11:27 AM

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Anyone used RON92 petrol for their BLM? any problem and how's the performance?
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post Aug 28 2008, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(heavencloud @ Aug 27 2008, 09:30 PM)
haha... was joking only  laugh.gif even if the saga chassis can fit those engines, but the gearbox wont fit, plus the lsd also cant be installed due to the fuel tank located in-between the 2 rear tyres  rolleyes.gif
yup, usually we refill when the meter started to blink, then reset the trip meter, then when the next time fuel meter blinking again, that's the time to calculate  nod.gif
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heavencloud, dont worry our local mechanic everything also boleh 1... in bolehland everything is possible hope can see the EVO terbalik inside tat saga.... smoke tat mivec and GSR ..........hehe:
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post Aug 28 2008, 12:38 PM

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QUOTE(SiuYi @ Aug 26 2008, 06:16 PM)
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ur strut bar not bad ka?i never noe strut bars are aluminum bars..wow..new knowledge for me..
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Oh yes, its commonly made of aluminum, but there are lots of other materials as well, common steel and stainless steel, because of the weight of steel and of course the price of it per kg compared to aluminum is more expensive, and not to mention that stainless steel is very expensive itself.

So the most commonly used material to fabricate strut bars are aluminum. biggrin.gif


QUOTE(-storm- @ Aug 26 2008, 10:59 PM)
Alloy bars are easily bend so got install no install no difference =p unless its aircraft grade alloy T7 if im not mistaken but very expensive. If want use strut bar make sure its non adjustable.
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Alloy bars can't be easily bend by the movement of cars, unless you wanna bang it to the wall or something. And using non adjustable bars has its pros and cons, because non adjustable bars have welding points as well, if its non adjustable, you have to make sure that the welding points with the bracket has to be very strong, while adjustable ones can absorb most of the tention created by the movement of the car.
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post Aug 28 2008, 02:54 PM

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Hi guyz, would like to clarify sumtg...
my fren who driving the 27K saga go pasang break lock, after a few months, all the wayer burn suddenly while driving. He bring to Proton and proton said because the break lock pasang is sharing the other wayer, so it cause the warranty void as well....
Mine also pasang that, sumore the open door switch i using the same as alarm button, will it void the waranty??
Any member here doing to same thing as me??
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post Aug 28 2008, 03:33 PM

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proton is like that.. if u do anything to the car and it spoiled, ur warranty will burn.. unless u take out the item 1st before u go complain..
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post Aug 28 2008, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(miseralim @ Aug 28 2008, 12:38 PM)
Oh yes, its commonly made of aluminum, but there are lots of other materials as well, common steel and stainless steel, because of the weight of steel and of course the price of it per kg compared to aluminum is more expensive, and not to mention that stainless steel is very expensive itself.

So the most commonly used material to fabricate strut bars are aluminum.  biggrin.gif
Alloy bars can't be easily bend by the movement of cars, unless you wanna bang it to the wall or something. And using non adjustable bars has its pros and cons, because non adjustable bars have welding points as well, if its non adjustable, you have to make sure that the welding points with the bracket has to be very strong, while adjustable ones can absorb most of the tention created by the movement of the car.
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In my own opinion adjustable will not be as good as adding an non adjustable in terms of performance, the car chassis flexes during cornering and the strut bar is suppose to provide extra strengthening to the strut tower to prevent extra flexing but due to the fact that adjustable can absorb the tension or i can say it flexes thus negating any effect it has on the cornering improvement that a strut bar suppose to provide hence less performance or non at all compare to non adjustable. I think those alloy bars that are in our local market has not met the standards of japanese makes due to cutting cost so i guess steel bars has the most effect in the mean while.

Alumunium is not as strong as steel but its lighter, it takes two times the thickness of the alumunium to match the strength of steel, example a steel bar is 4mm thick it takes 8mm of alloy to match the steel's strength. So i don't believe in local alloy bar because its too thin and it's light weight(not strong) compare to steel bar unless its double the thickness but the selling point of it being light weight is gone and alloy is much more expensive to make it thicker.
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post Aug 28 2008, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(LambOfGod @ Aug 28 2008, 03:33 PM)
proton is like that.. if u do anything to the car and it spoiled, ur warranty will burn.. unless u take out the item 1st before u go complain..
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I wonder is there any member do same as me? pasang the switch at the alarm switch ?
Juz now when i turn up to car park at 7th floor, when i turn there is sum weird sound on the tyre or absorbar ler....
i din change anytg but how cum like this eh ler, when normal road turn nth, juz up hill turn it got sound rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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post Aug 28 2008, 03:58 PM

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how much if i wan trade m-line rim with tyres? coz i planning to change to 15 rims once i get my car..
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post Aug 28 2008, 04:09 PM

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Trade in rims and tyres should get around rm400
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post Aug 28 2008, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(jackolantern @ Aug 28 2008, 03:58 PM)
how much if i wan trade m-line rim with tyres? coz i planning to change to 15 rims once i get my car..
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How long did u drive d? milleage ??
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post Aug 28 2008, 05:37 PM

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QUOTE(-storm- @ Aug 28 2008, 03:35 PM)
In my own opinion adjustable will not be as good as adding an non adjustable in terms of performance, the car chassis flexes during cornering and the strut bar is suppose to provide extra strengthening to the strut tower to prevent extra flexing but due to the fact that adjustable can absorb the tension or i can say it flexes thus negating any effect it has on the cornering improvement that a strut bar suppose to provide hence less performance or non at all compare to non adjustable. I think those alloy bars that are in our local market has not met the standards of japanese makes due to cutting cost so i guess steel bars has the most effect in the mean while.

Alumunium is not as strong as steel but its lighter, it takes two times the thickness of the alumunium to match the strength of steel, example a steel bar is 4mm thick it takes 8mm of alloy to match the steel's strength.  So i don't believe in local alloy bar because its too thin and it's light weight(not strong) compare to steel bar unless its double the thickness but the selling point of it being light weight is gone and alloy is much more expensive to make it thicker.
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Yup, you're definitely right about that about adjustable is not as good as non-adjustable, but i've seen before non adjustable stabilizer bars from japan snapped from the bracket, that is because of the style of the driver themselves. Adjustable stabilizer bar does not mean that it flexes when cornering, but it just lets the joint between the aluminum bar and bracket has some breathing space instead of stretching it to the limit like the non-adjustable ones.

Believe me when i say this, when the adjustable stabilizer bars are properly installed, the holding strength of the strut towers is very significant.

Btw, adjustable strut bars are not really "adjustable" what it means is that it has two component, the stabilizer bar and the bracket which is screwed tightly to the strut tower. The only moving part is the screw which joins the stabilizer bar and the bracket, which has the margin of less than 1 mm between them.

Oh, and you're right, steel's strength is stronger than aluminum if the thickness is the same, but for 3mm hollow aluminum bar, it would take more than 5 tons of machinery strength to bend it. We've tried that. biggrin.gif We normally use hydraulic machine to bend it.

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post Aug 28 2008, 09:21 PM

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got gsr terbalik blm now ar?i think gsr terbalik can fit in our chasis..

Reformist
u can try to count on that and standby like 3ml of petrol behind ur car in case it breaks down in the middle of the highway..haha.no blm owners here would like to test and try their max kilometer when the signal is ON..a dry engine breakdown will certain cause some headache to ur car in the future.

kyrix
untighten screws..

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might be better if u sell among ur frens..fetch higher price..or u can try ask the shop to mark up for u and compare.
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QUOTE(miseralim @ Aug 28 2008, 05:37 PM)
Yup, you're definitely right about that about adjustable is not as good as non-adjustable, but i've seen before non adjustable stabilizer bars from japan snapped from the bracket, that is because of the style of the driver themselves. Adjustable stabilizer bar does not mean that it flexes when cornering, but it just lets the joint between the aluminum bar and bracket has some breathing space instead of stretching it to the limit like the non-adjustable ones.

Believe me when i say this, when the adjustable stabilizer bars are properly installed, the holding strength of the strut towers is very significant.

Btw, adjustable strut bars are not really "adjustable" what it means is that it has two component, the stabilizer bar and the bracket which is screwed tightly to the strut tower. The only moving part is the screw which joins the stabilizer bar and the bracket, which has the margin of less than 1 mm between them.

Oh, and you're right, steel's strength is stronger than aluminum if the thickness is the same, but for 3mm hollow aluminum bar, it would take more than 5 tons of machinery strength to bend it. We've tried that.  biggrin.gif We normally use hydraulic machine to bend it.
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Honestly from my own experience i have used zenden adjustable strut bar, i can't feel any difference at all but once i switch to non adjustable steel bar the effect is undeniable can feel it instantly the steering response got better. tongue.gif
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post Aug 28 2008, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(Reformist @ Aug 28 2008, 02:37 PM)
Hey thanks man. Just a question, how many KMs more can the car move with warning signal?
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everytime my fuel light comes out, i still drive it bout 50km+- before goin for a refill. n every refill will be at rm81(30litres@rm2.70per litre). so my guess is that i still have about 10 litres++ in my tank. depend on ure driving style, u can c how far u can go before the fuel reach 0 in ure tank


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QUOTE(-storm- @ Aug 28 2008, 10:06 PM)
Honestly from my own experience i have used zenden adjustable strut bar, i can't feel any difference at all but once i switch to non adjustable steel bar the effect is undeniable can feel it instantly the steering response got better.  tongue.gif
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i tot strut bar will do a big favour for rally cars due to the nature of the road which leads to the tendancy of the strut tower goin inward. from my understanding, if we really feel the difference when we put in the strut bar, then it means the car flexs a lot o a bit during cornering. the strut tower metal itself is not like a spring which will bounce back to its original form once it's bent. so is it if we feel the difference means that out strut tower metal has gone out of shape? correct me if im wrong hmm.gif

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QUOTE(sAm fIsher @ Aug 28 2008, 10:15 PM)
everytime my fuel light comes out, i still drive it bout 50km+- before goin for a refill. n every refill will be at rm81(30litres@rm2.70per litre). so my guess is that i still have about 10 litres++ in my tank. depend on ure driving style, u can c how far u can go before the fuel reach 0 in ure tank


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i tot strut bar will do a big favour for rally cars due to the nature of the road which leads to the tendancy of the strut tower goin inward. from my understanding, if we really feel the difference when we put in the strut bar, then it means the car flexs a lot o a bit during cornering. the strut tower metal itself is not like a spring which will bounce back to its original form once it's bent. so is it if we feel the difference means that out strut tower metal has gone out of shape? correct me if im wrong hmm.gif
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Because strut towers are made Independent so it flexes alot during cornering, chassis can flex quite a great degree so no worries of it going out of shape unless you accident quite bad la, the most flexible place is the strut bar area because it has no connecting point so a strut bar ties this two point together and it flexes less so when you install you will immediately feel the difference because of the towers being more rigid. Few members installed already and they also immediately feel the difference. smile.gif
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QUOTE(-storm- @ Aug 28 2008, 11:22 PM)
Because strut towers are made Independent so it flexes alot during cornering, chassis can flex quite a great degree so no worries of it going out of shape unless you accident quite bad la, the most flexible place is the strut bar area because it has no connecting point so a strut bar ties this two point together and it flexes less so when you install you will immediately feel the difference because of the towers being more rigid. Few members installed already and they also immediately feel the difference. smile.gif
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icic. so does tat also mean that we can only feel the difference under condition which will stress the chassis enough?
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post Aug 29 2008, 12:18 AM

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The effect will be felt once you turn the steering, sharper response than before. I doubt i can feel anything but i was wrong when i tested it sweat.gif
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post Aug 29 2008, 12:48 AM

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yes,i felt the immediate effect also after install the bars,steering better handling
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QUOTE(-storm- @ Aug 28 2008, 10:06 PM)
Honestly from my own experience i have used zenden adjustable strut bar, i can't feel any difference at all but once i switch to non adjustable steel bar the effect is undeniable can feel it instantly the steering response got better.  tongue.gif
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Its all down to personal driving style, maybe you're more like racing kind of style which requires a lot of stress being trasfered through the strut bar.
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QUOTE(miseralim @ Aug 29 2008, 12:50 AM)
Its all down to personal driving style, maybe you're more like racing kind of style which requires a lot of stress being trasfered through the strut bar.
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That's the point of having a strut bar to maximize the handling of the car so i would choose something that is worth my money smile.gif

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