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mikapoh
post Sep 9 2008, 01:32 PM

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Do yu guys think sub-woofer place in the corner is the best position to boost up the bass reflection than the normal at front row along with the front speakers? Low frequency relfects more ahainst a wall rite?


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post Sep 9 2008, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(callmevil @ Sep 9 2008, 08:16 PM)
if the sub lacks bass power, then putting it at a corner would increase the 'bass', but if ur sub can pack a punch then corners can distort the bass effect drastically.. if u see HTkaki post of his HT area before, u will realise where he put his sub is a bit weird.. but after i got my svs n did my calibrating n finding the 'sweet spot' i find my sub position oso almost similar to him..


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How weird is it ? Any Pic to show ?

My Sub lack bass especially watching astro. No budget for active sub yet, maybe in future. So I think the best way is to put it to the corner. But then, my left corner is about 4 metre from my tv. By placing there, we might just hear boom sound from left right, which will sound WEIRD overall.


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QUOTE(mikapoh @ Sep 9 2008, 09:23 PM)
How weird is it ? Any Pic to show ?

My Sub lack bass especially watching astro. No budget for active sub yet, maybe in future. So I think the best way is to put it to the corner. But then, my left corner is about 4 metre from my tv. By placing there, we might just hear boom sound from left which will sound WEIRD overall.
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post Sep 11 2008, 10:24 AM

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Hey guys thanks for your suggestions.

I have shifted my sub near the corner and mind you, I think I have given a new life into my sub as the passive sub is able to generate more bass than before. At the meantime, I just have to live with it as budget constraints. I also add some weight to the sub so that more sloid sound can be produced.
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post Oct 10 2008, 01:51 PM

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Hi Sub fan,

One question, do u think it is worth to invest an active sub of RM800 to my exisiting LG HTIB system ?? I am quite pleased with the clarity produced by its satellite speakers but only want to add punch to the bass only.

I have shopped and found this brand Pro-Energy active sub of RM799. What do u think ?
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post Oct 22 2008, 05:09 PM

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HEY for thoose poor ppl who use HTIB with a poor passive sub. One way to improve bass reflection other than putting near corner is by placing some real heavy object on top of the passive sub. This way will certianly help to produce more solid BASS.

I myself have experience it. Better still I add the high-quality spikes to the bottom to produce stable BASS reflection.

A little thinking might improve certain things, save cost and save the earth by reducing number of trees chopping down to produce subs......Ops, I might be killed by so many active sub owners here......in fact, I have dreamed of CHT before.......











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post Oct 30 2008, 07:17 PM

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Bring more back la, then u can sell them to us.....hehehe the poor Sarawakians whom cant buy a good sub here.



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post Oct 31 2008, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Oct 31 2008, 12:20 AM)
Yah loh! Over here in Sarawak Hi-Fi product so expansive! Really got slaughter buying HT product here!  hmm.gif  u really got a very good deal in Satok karrr???
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Satok? There is one and also our current forumer. I am sure nowadays S'wak hifi vendor will not simply overpriced their hifi products coz now the customers are more knowledgeable than last time. The reason is simple, we have all the tai koh or sifus here to audit their prices compare to Penisular brows.gif

U can see quite number of S'wakians are members of this forum who seek sifus from the West for advice. So, the chances of slaughtering u is very slim. No worries, just go to any local hifi shop here & I am sure they are giving u the best price. Am I correct all S'wakian Vendors ? icon_idea.gif





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post Nov 6 2008, 11:31 PM

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Hi Sifus,

I am looking for a sub. Do u think Wharfedale Sub is better or the MS sub for a price of RM1.5k & below?



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post Nov 24 2008, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(HornyAngMoh @ Nov 23 2008, 12:32 PM)
Now that is an excellent way to sum up a good sub! rclxms.gif  Problem is finding such a sub is a big problem. sad.gif  The few sub that I listen to is, the shop set the  LFE level very low, their reason is that surely when u 'slam a door close' for eg  the effect is minimum!  hmm.gif  I have a sneaky feeling that they don't want to show how distorted the sub will be when volume is on the high side. I did listen to a velodyne CHT-12R but the volume is just set to less then half, I want it to set to 3/4 volume & LFE set to -7db to try it. But the shop say no can do! sad.gif  That will be too big!

Anyway I am a bass nut so still looking for a good sub. BTW svs now got PC12-NS @ USD549 don't know if compared to Velodyne CHT-12r or Paradigm DSP3200 better?
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Hey man, by setting the sub volume a quarter to FULL voume and LFE to -7db, i am sure you will blow the sub and cause very unnatural sound isnt it??

I wonder why ppl want to test speakers volume to the max. I have come across ppl when comes to speaker auditiion, the first thing is to crank up the volume more than half. Dont tell me we are going to turn the volume knot to more than half when we brought them into our home practical hall. tongue.gif







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post Nov 24 2008, 03:58 PM

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When watching movies, I adjust my AVR master volume to something like -26db and the sub volume to somewhere at 10 o'clock. I already felt the sound already loud in normal living hall.

Is my Sub Volume at 10 o'clock sound softer to you guys?



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post Nov 24 2008, 05:25 PM

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QUOTE(htkaki @ Nov 24 2008, 04:34 PM)
Only with a SPL meter could tell whether you have the right setting.
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I have the MS Genie Sub come with SPL Meter. But then, my AVR has Audyssey which you can use its mirophone to do the auto settings. Therefore, I dont use the SPL meter coz the Audyssey can detect and calculate the Sub Parameters. What do you think?





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QUOTE(aiman04 @ Nov 24 2008, 05:49 PM)
Agreed, they're are not always accurate and there's no way we could tell. The best way is to use Audyssey, and then re-check with an SPL meter and adjusts.

For Audyssey, there's no way to see the EQ set by it from the calibration. I didn't like it, so, I set it manually.
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So, your suggestion is now I have used Audyssey Auto Setting, then I should calibrate the SUB using its SPL Meter yeah? What if the parameters differ from the Auto Setting? Shall I follow the SPL Meter?

Sometimes I just turn up the Sub volume a little higher since I havent done the SPL. But eventhough you use the SPL Meter, some movies with soft bass recording also make you tempting to volume up the Sub. I find it is very subjective, no absolute ideal setting for all movies with different recording quality....





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QUOTE(htkaki @ Nov 25 2008, 09:16 AM)
mentioned in post #968 - Velodyne Impact 10 is abt RM1.4K while Impact 12 is abt RM1.7K.
Then, that's your call  smile.gif . I would opt for a properly calibrated setup

It is always easy to calibrate the system wrongly and extremely difficult to get it right  wink.gif Then again, one man's meat is another man's poison
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HTkaki,

I decided to use the Sub SPL Meter to do the calibration. Guess what? After test running few tracks in the disc provided, one of my downlights nearest above the Sub DROPPED from the ceiling!!! sweat.gif I am so scared all the rest will fall eventually........phew.

The whole plaster ceiling shakes.....scary experience for me. I have to crank up my avr volume to the max and set the sub volume to something like 2 o'clock position in order to get the SPL to reach the Green light(reference level) before the real test based on the tracks in the cd. The highest I get is +4db so I cut the this db in the filter section.












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post Nov 25 2008, 02:29 PM

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I think I should get a PASSIVE Sub.....sooner I dont know what will fall next!!! @_@

When at full Volume, the DAMN Sub is scary. Everything start to shake especially the plaster ceiling, so vulnerable to bass wave. All I hear from the test cd is low booming frequency rock the floor (down-firing) and reflected the surroundings. If my floor is made of wooden, I would have felt earth-quake. Luckily I didnt sit below my down-light or I could have hit & wont hestitate to throw the bloody Sub!

I have to blame the SPL meter, maybe a formal writing to manufacturer on why we have to crank the volume to the max in order to achieve the Green reference level before real test. Anyway, surprisingly the damn sub did not produce broken bass or distortion during peak volume. Imagine I felt culture shock when the bulb smash my floor!!!












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post Nov 28 2008, 09:40 AM

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Hi all Bass Sifus,

PLEASE help me to solve this problem:

I am using this MS Sub and its power switch has 3 modes, ie ON, AUTO and OFF. I set it as AUTO, the Sub will go On & Off during some chinese drama or astro programmes. Some actions in these movies will trigger the Sub but it will also shut off after a while when there is no bass signal being feeded.

My Q is:

1) By leaving the Sub in AUTO mode which it will On & Off very often, will it damage the Sub internal amp or its fuse over time?

2) If I set to constant ON, will it consume more current? I have read from the net that most of the Sub manufacturers claim there is no difference in current consumption whether it is in On or Off mode. Is this TRUE?


Thanks in advance.










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post Dec 5 2008, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(psp _BOY @ Dec 4 2008, 12:27 PM)
Yea, I figured, But my normal watching vol is -10.0.
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Even at vol -10db is still considered Deafening to most people my friend........ sweat.gif


My normal movies vol level is at -28db average. Sometime need to tune down due to film louder recording.
I can feel what is it like to go down to critical level of -5db especially watching action packed movies.
One thing for sure I really salute you.......... rclxm9.gif for few reasons below:

1. Your speakers & sub can really accomodate for such Power-Up volume.
2. YOu must have a dedicated sound proof HT room to keep the rattling sound under control
3. If not, your neighbour is very Audio-friendly and considerate ppl
4. Your heart & ears are very healthy..........

To me, my heart will be pounding fast, my head rclxub.gif , my whole body call for icon_question.gif especially watching Iron man
or Transformers movies.............YOu are truly insane my friend. Your speakers must have felt the same too on its owner..........phew!








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post Dec 12 2008, 08:59 AM

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Hi Guys,

Is it better to leave the Sub Power Mode to AUTO or ON? I have heard from the net that it is recommended to leave it constant ON, but this way will consume current eventhough it is idle, right?

I still think by turning it into AUTO mode, it will trigger the Amp on & off all the time which should shorten the lifespan..........pls comment.




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I think most of the sub LPF is ranging from 50hz to 120hz right? By setting the LPF to 80hz (if the cut off from avr is 80hz), there is no difference since from 120 to 80hz will be produced by other 5 channels, correct me if I'm wrong. By setting LPF below 80hz, for eg, 60hz, there will be a loss of frequency from 80hz to 60hz. I dont know how true but this is the fact from normal calculation.






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QUOTE(yfyap69 @ Feb 2 2009, 05:55 PM)
If you set the LPF to 80 hz on the sub, any frequency above 80 hz will be gone including those from LFE channel. The setting at the back of the sub will not tell the AVR to direct the frequency between 80 - 120 to the front. The lpf filter on the back of the sub will be the last filter that the sound signal will pass thru. So you should set it to the max possible. If you can by pass it, better still. Let your AVR control your frequency setting. Not sure if you get what I meant here. Let me recap : there are 3 setting here. The first 2 settings are in the AVR which is the LPF for the LFE channel and the freq cutoff for the front/center/surround channel. Then there is another manual setting for the LPF on the back of the sub. The correct setting if you want to follow THX recommendation should be :

LPF for LFE Channel : Set to 120 Hz
Freq cutoff for Front/Center/Surround : Set to 80 Hz
LPF setting at the back of the sub : Set to max possible (120 Hz)

If u follow this setting, the full freq range from the LFE channel will be send to the sub together with the signal from F/C/S which is below 80Hz. When this signal reach the sub, it will be able to pass thru all. If u set at the back of the sub to 80 Hz, those signal between 80 -120 Hz from the LFE channel will be filter away. Hope this is clear enough.
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Hi yfyap69,

What is your opinion on my following settings? Maybe I got it all wrong! What I care is LPF for LFE channel is set to 80 Hz as standard and all channels will cut off at this frequency...?


LPF for LFE: 80 Hz
Front/Center/Surround: 60 Hz
LPF at the Sub: 120 Hz

If you set LPF for LFE to 120 Hz, then your sub will produce "Directional Bass Sound" since it is being feeded with higher frequency, ie 120 Hz right....?? Why not set it to 80 Hz? rclxub.gif



























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Thank you aiman04, you are truly audiophile sifu. Now, I am getting the more complete picture of how these crossover should be done... thumbup.gif

So, I guess as what you said, the more important is the individual channels crossover, I will have to re-adjust my Front, Center, Surr from 60Hz to 80Hz so release loads off them. Initially, I have this impression that these channels crossovers are just indicators how low my speakers can go after running the audyssey auto set-up. I also thought that as long as I set my LFE to 80Hz, all signal will be filtered out at this 80Hz. I am worng anyway after your explanation.

I am still wondering why the Audyssey set my Front/Ctr/Surr crossover to 60Hz after running using microphone provided.......??















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