well since we hv hunter n enhance shammy dps thread
i will just start with a rogue thread

i just want to know how to improve my dps as a rogue
i usually do ~2k dps on brut which i feel a bit low
i do the best rotation suggested that is 4s/5r
consume haste pot together with blade flurry n bloodlust n use them again on each cd
i usually will be getting 1-2 bl each fight

my grp setup for brut will usually be 2 rogues...1 arms warr..1 ret n 1 enh shammy
i only lose the xtra dps from a surv hunter which we dont hv yet

so what did i do wrong or how can i improve my dps?

u can see my armory from my sig
im currently full mh/bt gear except from warglaives n some 2-3 items i still need from bt

This post has been edited by busbos: Jun 20 2008, 02:28 PM

L2RNGmoar items? inc fun ride for slow friday.

/ignore

Unfortunately... all you need are lolglaives

Good luck with RNG

^

lol'ed

wtb RNG secret PST!

I agree all that you need right now are the glaives, it seems decent enough.

Perhaps you can use recount and compare it with the next rogue that have similar setup as yours?

some slight changes you can make to your own personal setup.
- get the badge legs (slightly better than t6 legs) since you are wearing 5 piece t6. upgrade your neck and cloak to choker from supremus / SSO exalted (if you are aldor) and cloak of fiends (ZA timed) or Shadowmoon Destroyer.

- consider using 3s/5r if you are able to keep it up.

Check out the 2 dps spreadsheets off EJ to maximise your personal gear setup

most of the increase comes from raid composition unfortunately.
get your group to spec Leatherworking and a survival hunter if possible.
survival hunter ups your dps (and raid's) by quite a bit

edit: im assuming you are chugging haste pots whenever the cd is up instead of just during bl

This post has been edited by lamerflamer: Jun 20 2008, 03:06 PM

OH SHI-,
does this mean priority of warglaives is for rogues?
damn.................... imma ninja it if i ever see it

direct link to EJ spreadsheets prz

Good luck on that one! LOL.

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Added on June 20, 2008, 3:12 pmif people can ninja an entire guild bank, im sure lolglaives is waaay easier

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 20 2008, 03:12 PM

well, glaives on brutallus are really extra dps, as a 2pc set gives bonus of more AP against demon type mobs. plus the legendary 450 haste proc. but, getting 2k without a surv hunter is really good. imo you're doing fine. maybe ask your shaman if hes totem twisting (if hes not slap him and force him to do so). and more drums maybe?

LoL... my GL better not be reading this. I don't wanna get red bum for this.

A boomkin can also help increase rogue dps with imp faerie fire, so that you can raid with lower hit rating rating. But that's to do with raid setup which you may or may not be able to influence.

rofl. Enhance GL's ftw. (sebudai)

yeah
my grp usually hv 3 drummers including me
the enhancement shammy do totem twisting too
the other rogue in my guild hv the lolglaive MH
but my dps is not that far behind from him

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Added on June 20, 2008, 4:14 pmthe badge leggings are actually worse than t6
i already checked with ej rogue spreadsheet

n as i mention
i still do need 2-3 loot from bt
that is the neck n cloak
it's either i lose dkp or it doesnt drop

i've tried using 3s/5r...but i cant keep it up lol
we r looking for a surv hunter
but it's not easy to find a good hunter in jubeithos lol

yup..im chugging haste pot n using bf whenever the cd is up

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Added on June 20, 2008, 4:16 pmwith boomkin in raid
the hit cap for rogues is 300 for bosses

This post has been edited by busbos: Jun 20 2008, 04:16 PM

Do your locks cast curse of recklessness on raid bosses?

yup
especially on brut

the conclusion is = busbus lemau































j/k

lol

u are doing fine laa brader. just need glaives only. dun wori laa. and im pretty sure u outdps the other rogue on the last few brut downings =)

and why wouldnt u want Quazacolt in here?

isnt he's like the best rogue in malaysia and sg? some say batam too

and some say in tardland as well.

LoL, thanks for cracking me up so early on this depressing working Saturday morning. LoL

imo, dont use haste pot and blade flurry and dst proc in a same time.. they dont decrease ur swing timer much..

this is my rotation.. 1s/5s/5r/5s/5r/5s/5r, bladeflurry + drums at the beginning then after the BF/dst faded off then haste pot.. my dps can reach 2.2k dps with enhance shaman, dps war and feral druid in my group.

ur armory pls
n wws to back that up

some people just dont seem to handle jealousy so well do they?

stop being so full of yourself?

and imo, how much DPS u push out on brut would mainly depend a lot on raid synergy. our last brut kill had about 7 people breaking 2k DPS. Once raid synergy is there just a matter of how geared you are imo. I would think theres nothing wrong on how you play, SWP isnt really training grounds anymore, you know the class, and you know how to play. thats all there is to it i guess.

badge leggings are better than t6. quite sure of it.
maybe u lost 4 pc bonus when u plugged it in? not sure what happened.

in any case it sounds like you're doing everything almost right.
probably raid synergy then.

gl with glaives

hunter having problems with dps @@|| i havent raided hardcore as usual and my dps droped from 1.2-.1.4k all the way to 815 T_T but yesterday during ros my class leader said if you dont pump your dps ill replace you! suddently out of no where my dps went to 1.4k =.=|| any1 can tell me a good rotation also that help to keep up high and constant dps?(bm hunter btw)


and talking abt rogues whats the fastest way to lvl them combat or sub? iv tryed sub but every 1 keep telling me to respec combat they said ill lvl 1 time faster then sub rogues esp now with the +10% exp would really come in handy

Sorry for hijacking this post, but i have a rogue and i have some question. Still pretty new from this rogue class. If someone would be so kind...

Q1. Backstab and Ambush does not work with sword for rogue? I read the skill description, it mention to require dagger.....
Q2. Is there a skill later on for rogue that void the requirement for Backstab and Ambush to daggers only?
Q3. If Backstab and Ambush does not work with sword, why does the rogue community recommend you to use sword in the first place? It kinds defeats the purpose to making rogue, with no Backstab and Ambush. I heard mutilate later on require dual dagger, which makes this dual sword equip even more odd?


This bring me to a lot of other question also, e.g. Why use double maces when no Backstab and Ambush... and etc. I can probably figure it out if i have the baseline question answered.

This post has been edited by Madgeiser: Jun 23 2008, 10:37 AM

1) you only can use daggers for bs/amb/mutilate
2) no, you still need daggers
3) because on leveling, you dont have to stunlock mobs to get behind for bs/amb/muti. for pvp, it takes out positional requirement which can be frustrating. for raiding pve, daggers at the moment have horrible cp gen and energy usage, in terms of sustained non daggers also hold an edge, and itemization for daggers are pretty poor, and for those that finish BT, the legendary swords > all.

sure, in terms of rogue's specialty - daggers, it does make no sense, but daggers are no longer FOTM so you gotta wait for the new incoming dagger buffs (WOTLK)

double maces usually mean = mace spec and mace spec = chance to proc stun.
you dont necessarily need bs/amb to dps, for non daggers, theres cheapshot and sinister strike/hemorrhage (heck even if ur daggers, doing cheapshot > ambush, ambush is more towards pvp or pve when you got someone to hold the mob for you so you dont have to stun)

I see, That was very informative. Thank you for the excellent explanation.
Maybe it is just me, but i enjoy playing my rogue by sneaking behind a mob and start the fight with either a backstab or ambush. It is probably just me...

This post has been edited by Madgeiser: Jun 23 2008, 01:34 PM

Q, how on earth did you managed to remain polite in the last 2 post? You sick this Monday morning?

you're certainly welcomed
and its not just you, ive been daggers since beta until TBC end game. only the last few patches especially the season3 beginning + sub tree revamp i completely ditched daggers. its so much easier to play, and the benefit you gain from subtlety far outweighs daggers in pvp, and in pve, combat tree definitely out performs assassination in the long run.

there is an alternative though, which is combat daggers, but... i would rather slit my wrists than play that spec ANY DAY.

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Added on June 23, 2008, 2:31 pmi post whichever way i wanted to post
and its not like theres any good threads to troll/flame with, the mikehuan thread got closed shop, so NBTD already.

besides, how polite i am when im not even invited in this thread?
(note the english too )

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 23 2008, 02:31 PM

what does this mean? not a flame btw.

and u play whatever u wanna play man, mutilate looks kinda good as well, so you might wanna try that. combat daggers isnt bad as well. one of my raider rogues is combat daggers and hes matching dps with dbl glaives. (lose a bit etc etc, but dps is at that range)

Can u f***in believe eris got MH warglaive on their 2nd kill. zzz.

look at the thread title, normally, if one isnt invited to a party per say, and he still shows up, that shows rudeness to the host instead.

mutilate, its kewl, and its definitely fun to raid with. just loses out on dps a lil compared to deep combat specs.
combat daggers, its THE raiding spec until double glaives/bt or hj itemization ruins it. that said, playing combat daggers is very torturing to most rogues including myself.

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Added on June 24, 2008, 9:36 amgrats em for RNG lol

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 24 2008, 09:36 AM

yeah
n 2 bulwark in a row too
zzz

My guild got plenty of bulwarks, no glaives... sigh. Even our holy pallies have bulwark for their prot set

This post has been edited by orangbulu: Jun 24 2008, 01:53 PM

Learning Illi. If Warglaives drop, will let you know.

It looks like an interesting fight but so many things to watch out for while learning it.

illidan is interesting, no doubt. p2 is a blast to learn, but things to watch out for? i dont think theres anything imo, just stay spread out and watch your threat. thats about it i think.

hehe need survival hunter? i have 920+agi unbuff..but..........im alliance:P

This post has been edited by bugs23: Jun 25 2008, 07:40 AM

they are horde :/ and their previous surv hunter has 1.2k agi....yes he takes cocaine.

By 3rd night, P2 is ok. We stick in a 3-group position and the shammies are just chain casting chain-heals.

Now P3, a bit more chaotic. We got into 2 rounds of the Shadow Demons.

A lot of things to watch out for with Illidan.

u are a sp right?

do not i REPEAT do not SWD on demons. its not worth it. time ur PW:S at the beginning of each p4 so that u can use it for 3 flame burst. after the 1st flame burst bandage up. and always switch target during p2. omen is bugged in that phase. dun VE for p1, ur gonna get threat capped pretty fast.

just my 2 cents

Ta. Going to put up a separate post since wrong thread. >.<