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Quazacolt
post Jun 20 2008, 02:30 PM

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QUOTE(busbos @ Jun 20 2008, 02:26 PM)
well since we hv hunter n enhance shammy dps thread
i will just start with a rogue thread

i just want to know how to improve my dps as a rogue
i usually do ~2k dps on brut which i feel a bit low
i do the best rotation suggested that is 4s/5r
consume haste pot together with blade flurry n bloodlust n use them again on each cd
i usually will be getting 1-2 bl each fight

my grp setup for brut will usually be 2 rogues...1 arms warr..1 ret n 1 enh shammy
i only lose the xtra dps from a surv hunter which we dont hv yet

so what did i do wrong or how can i improve my dps?

u can see my armory from my sig
im currently full mh/bt gear except from warglaives n some 2-3 items i still need from bt
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post Jun 20 2008, 02:52 PM

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QUOTE(Aggroboy @ Jun 20 2008, 02:50 PM)
Unfortunately... all you need are lolglaives bruce.gif

Good luck with RNG
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post Jun 20 2008, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(lamerflamer @ Jun 20 2008, 03:04 PM)
some slight changes you can make to your own personal setup.
- get the badge legs (slightly better than t6 legs) since you are wearing 5 piece t6. upgrade your neck and cloak to choker from supremus / SSO exalted (if you are aldor) and cloak of fiends (ZA timed) or Shadowmoon Destroyer.

- consider using 3s/5r if you are able to keep it up.

Check out the 2 dps spreadsheets off EJ to maximise your personal gear setup

most of the increase comes from raid composition unfortunately.
get your group to spec Leatherworking and a survival hunter if possible.
survival hunter ups your dps (and raid's) by quite a bit

edit: im assuming you are chugging haste pots whenever the cd is up instead of just during bl
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post Jun 20 2008, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(King83 @ Jun 20 2008, 03:07 PM)
OH SHI-,
does this mean priority of warglaives is for rogues?
damn.................... imma ninja it if i ever see it biggrin.gif
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Added on June 20, 2008, 3:12 pm
QUOTE(Lucifer96 @ Jun 20 2008, 03:10 PM)
Good luck on that one! LOL.
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if people can ninja an entire guild bank, im sure lolglaives is waaay easier brows.gif

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post Jun 21 2008, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 21 2008, 09:28 AM)
and some say in tardland as well.
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some people just dont seem to handle jealousy so well do they?
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post Jun 23 2008, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(Madgeiser @ Jun 23 2008, 10:35 AM)
Sorry for hijacking this post, but i have a rogue and i have some question. Still pretty new from this rogue class. If someone would be so kind...

Q1. Backstab and Ambush does not work with sword for rogue? I read the skill description, it mention to require dagger.....
Q2. Is there a skill later on for rogue that void the requirement for Backstab and Ambush to daggers only?
Q3. If Backstab and Ambush does not work with sword, why does the rogue community recommend you to use sword in the first place? It kinds defeats the purpose to making rogue, with no Backstab and Ambush. I heard mutilate later on require dual dagger, which makes this dual sword equip  even more odd?
This bring me to a lot of other question also, e.g. Why use double maces when no Backstab and Ambush... and etc. I can probably figure it out if i have the baseline question answered.
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1) you only can use daggers for bs/amb/mutilate
2) no, you still need daggers
3) because on leveling, you dont have to stunlock mobs to get behind for bs/amb/muti. for pvp, it takes out positional requirement which can be frustrating. for raiding pve, daggers at the moment have horrible cp gen and energy usage, in terms of sustained non daggers also hold an edge, and itemization for daggers are pretty poor, and for those that finish BT, the legendary swords > all.

sure, in terms of rogue's specialty - daggers, it does make no sense, but daggers are no longer FOTM so you gotta wait for the new incoming dagger buffs (WOTLK)

double maces usually mean = mace spec and mace spec = chance to proc stun.
you dont necessarily need bs/amb to dps, for non daggers, theres cheapshot and sinister strike/hemorrhage (heck even if ur daggers, doing cheapshot > ambush, ambush is more towards pvp or pve when you got someone to hold the mob for you so you dont have to stun)
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post Jun 23 2008, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(Madgeiser @ Jun 23 2008, 01:33 PM)
I see, That was very informative. Thank you for the excellent explanation.  smile.gif
Maybe it is just me, but i enjoy playing my rogue by sneaking behind a mob and start the fight with either a backstab or ambush. It is probably just me...
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you're certainly welcomed smile.gif
and its not just you, ive been daggers since beta until TBC end game. only the last few patches especially the season3 beginning + sub tree revamp i completely ditched daggers. its so much easier to play, and the benefit you gain from subtlety far outweighs daggers in pvp, and in pve, combat tree definitely out performs assassination in the long run.

there is an alternative though, which is combat daggers, but... i would rather slit my wrists than play that spec ANY DAY.


Added on June 23, 2008, 2:31 pm
QUOTE(myremi @ Jun 23 2008, 02:14 PM)
Q, how on earth did you managed to remain polite in the last 2 post? You sick this Monday morning? tongue.gif
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i post whichever way i wanted to post smile.gif
and its not like theres any good threads to troll/flame with, the mikehuan thread got closed shop, so NBTD already.

besides, how polite i am when im not even invited in this thread? brows.gif brows.gif
(note the english too tongue.gif)

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post Jun 24 2008, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Jun 24 2008, 08:27 AM)
what does this mean? not a flame btw.

and u play whatever u wanna play man, mutilate looks kinda good as well, so you might wanna try that. combat daggers isnt bad as well. one of my raider rogues is combat daggers and hes matching dps with dbl glaives. (lose a bit etc etc, but dps is at that range)
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look at the thread title, normally, if one isnt invited to a party per say, and he still shows up, that shows rudeness to the host instead.

mutilate, its kewl, and its definitely fun to raid with. just loses out on dps a lil compared to deep combat specs.
combat daggers, its THE raiding spec until double glaives/bt or hj itemization ruins it. that said, playing combat daggers is very torturing to most rogues including myself.


Added on June 24, 2008, 9:36 am
QUOTE(Kurei @ Jun 24 2008, 09:32 AM)
Can u f***in believe eris got MH warglaive on their 2nd kill. zzz.
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grats em for RNG lol

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