as in mainstream cover songs - english ones.

seems like this is tougher to find than chinese ones....it's like they're across everywhere

ruums , hardrock cafe , planet hollywood , magical cafe ...you can try those Irish style pubs in hartamas too..

go under an agent ..that was how i got started ..

it is true english is harder to find ..but they pay much more than chinese scene ..
last time i started with 150 a night from the loft , then moved to 250 quickly ..

anyway , learn chinese songs lah ..or at least get a singer who can sing chinese..
now or days ..chinese pub band covers everything ..chinese , canto , english , BM , indo , THAI , jap , korean , spanish songs..some of the bands i know even touch 700 songs ..crazy..you request 8 songs they can play 8 songs ..

yeah ..anyway ..we need to be more competitive lor ..

Pubs are good for new musicians as they provide you with the experience. However the people there can be cruel and the pub owners are more often not: jackasses!

This post has been edited by empire: Jun 21 2008, 10:50 AM

wow, they pay that much? how often do you get to play in a month? that's a pretty good money i'll say even just playing 3 nights per week.

heh, sometimes it's about quality and not quantity. so depends on what the pub wants loh. some chinese bands can sing any song but sing very horribly lol.

that was 2 years ago ..lol..i played twice a week ..now the market trend moved already..so clubs not really interested with DJ + guitarist , or DJ + bongo combination ..

I think pubs , quality is important yea..but you need quantity too..both must be side by side ...
imagine playing 6 days a week , 3 session per night ..

you need at least 150 songs ...if you are gonna play the same songs every 2 nights ..then prepare to get "blacklisted" lol..

but its true , this pub industry is very cruel ...especially the politics since the scene is so small....i rather play for events ..

But where do u find those agent?
Its something i ve been wondering for long, how does a musician look for these paid jobs..

90% agentrs are crooks. I have met these scums too many times for the last 18 years.

i assume there was no black and white documentation eh in your cases?

actually..alot of pub musicians are agents themselves ..

just walk up to any of one them during their break..ask them if they know any agent ..or are they an agent themselves ..

you mean people like gapnap?

hes only an agent after this coming sunday.
right now hes a bookie for euro 2008

i am no agent ..

an agent is someone who has 5 paying shows on a friday night ..
obviously one person cannot be 5 places at one time ..

i only play . the connections sh1t my band leader handles..

Everdying : i am not a bookie , i am a bookie feeder

but now all the nice teams are out d lah... not fun.

ok back to topic before the mods ban me.
my connections are pretty lausy too, and i too leave those stuff to my band leader. hmm, an area i should work on.

well, if u wanna try playing in a pub for experience...can try out ol skool pub at jln gasing...

you must be thick skin enough to deal with communication hah.

somehow most musician are bad on these. we only know how to use the international language.

lol that is very misleading.. chinese eds will tell you chinese is THE international language right now(to hell with that) of course, WE understand what you are saying now don't we? xD

anyways, i would also like to know how do you guys find people(or 007 "agents" in this case) to fill you in on small performances?
id like to do some, but im in no band right now... =/ and 150 songs... i think i still got a looong way to go...

well we musician know it, music is THE international language. play music everywhere, everyone will understand. unless play crappy music and people will not understand and you get that "WTH" face expressions.

as for looking for agents, it's very, very, simple. just approach any musician in pubs, cafes, ask them you're looking for an agent.

150 songs is pretty much standards. playing in a band is nothing difficult (apart from clicks with band members), but preparing for it is time consuming. i've been through that as a keyboardist, it's really tiring and sometimes really boring.

This post has been edited by little ice: Jun 24 2008, 12:28 PM

hey, thanks for the inputs above guys. They're realli helpful!

You guys know of any other cafes or pubs besides these high flying ones (to cover english songs), as recommended by gapnap?*

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- ruums , hardrock cafe , planet hollywood , magical cafe
[ can't find info on magical cafe - seems like they're closed?]
[since some of the high flying ones requires performance skills of near perfection]

international? nonono you got it all wrong... Music is the UNIVERSAL language
Crappy music is noise~ jajaja
lol out of topic~ *runs for cover*