I have been raiding wow for very long time now. Recently this problem show up and cant seem to pin down the source of the problem.

the problem:
i get very smooth ping and good fps at thrash mobs (about 350-400), when boss fight starts it lags very very rapidly and ping increase very ridiculously (up to 10k) and fps drops, this situation continue to worsen until i get DC, then when i rejoin in, the same will happen even if i am flat on the floor doing nothing, the dc will keep happening at boss fight (only boss fight) even if i am dead and keep rejoining, and the crazyness will stop right after the boss is dead. then ping is normal like nothing ever happen.

other info:
-this problem only start to happen recently.
-same boss have been killed many many time without such problem before but only now it start to happen.
-i have set all setting to lowest but no help, previously i can set some video setting to high and get very nice performance using the same machine.
-recently the only difference that i notice happened to my pc is that the router modem seem to need extra 5 minute of tries before it can connect to streamyx.
-have tried reinstalling wow and defragging hard disc.
-have taken out all the fans / heatsink and cleaned them, no overheating involved.

what are the posible reasons? did streamyx broke down again recently?

just play in windows mode like i do :/ may be annoying at first but real help full in the end, i couldnt raid mh due to big latency and dc issues but now my lat is normal and no dc's at all :>

the thing is this problem didnt happen before and now it starts to happen non stop.. so something is wrong with my pc. just wanna fix it

Do you have mods that log data? For WWS, or stuff like Recount/DPS meters. If you do try turning them off.

Which boss?

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Added on June 11, 2008, 5:25 amooppps, additional :

What mods?
What PC specs?

This post has been edited by myremi: Jun 11 2008, 05:25 AM

previously all boss runs smoothly (all the way to brutallus), now all boss give me this problem,

mods that i use is
-bongos2 (button)
-CT-raid Assist (raid panel)
-swstats (meter)
-Omen2 (threat)
-DBM (raid warning)
-gatherer (profession craps)
-atlasloot enhanced (for linky)

pc
-p4 3Ghz, 2gb ddr2.
-galaxy gt5500 ??ddr3 ram

theres already at least 4 mods that uses synchro/communication with other mod(s)

disable all ur mods, try again. if you no longer dc, slowly enable them 1 by 1 to filter out whos the culprit

better yet just use DBM, omen, dmg meters if you have to :/ and try playing in windowed mode!

how to run wow in windowed mode ? never did that before hehe

vid option > window mode

video option already set to lower than previous setting already.

His asking you to click window mode to get the window mode.

Don't worry too much about it, it is Streamyx

If you run too many damage meters or mods that try to sync with other mods, what you describe can happen. The mod will flood a certain channel with ALOT of data, to the point where you will DC. If you attempt to log back in the flood continues and you get kicked out again.

Bongos and Omen are notorious for not working well when support files are not updated or when the lua code was updated in the patch.

Delete all the bongos and omen lua files and reinstall.

For Omen, when using WoWAceUpdater to update it, goto Preferences ==> Update Dependancies (or something like that). See if that works.

recall back what mod you have updated prior the good performance, and stop/disable the mod and test

Did a new member just join your raid recently?

Anyway that was our problem recently, the new member uses Omen2 in AoE mode, this causes our tank to keep DCing every 2 to 3 mins. After we swap him out the problem just disappered.

hope this might help

hmm we did have some new member recently,

and 1 of the lock member whos from KL also saying hes having this rapid buildup of lag and then dc.. so hes saying it might be good old shitmyx screwing ppl again.

but that Omen thing u stated seems pretty convincing.. can the AOE mode be removed from my own Omen meter so those spams dont affect me?

So compiling all the possible solution, this weekend i will try these few out:
-wipeout all traces of bongos and Omen and get new installation in.
-if dont work, disable Omen and use some other threat meter.
-if still dont work
-format pc

dishwasher : i know these mods have tendancy to crap up like what i been getting now but i have raided like 2 years already with most of the mods i am having. only recently its failing ridiculously all of a sudden.

About rerolling the mods i think recently there have been alot of Omen updates so i really think that is the culprit.. i dont know wtf is wrong with the Omen developer but putting up 2-4 patch version in 1day is like total bullshit.. so obvious that very minimal testing is done. Are there any other reliable threat meter around? i've switched to Omen ever since KLH meter become crappy..



This post has been edited by Boonie: Jun 12 2008, 05:08 PM

I have the same problem, can't raid atm. Was doing RoS in BT and latency shoots up from 500 to 7K ms latency.

I've turn off alot of my addons....... except the usual few (bigwigs, clique, decursive, sRaidframes, Omen) .. but it still lags terribly. Things was fine last week but it deteriorates last Sunday.

I'm using Gamepath too.. so it's really weird.. (pings to Gamepath server is around 300ms)..

Hmm..... I reckon I should do the same as you Boonie.. wipe everything addons off and then re-install the addons. If that doesn't work as well.. might as well stop raiding altogether

turn off ALL addon, then weed them out 1 by 1. gawd, not that f***en hard aint it?

Sure.. when i get out of BT and not hv 24 ppl wait for me

then you'll never know who did it as you need the 24 other asses spamming ur UI channel.

I am having this problem now................

Sometimes the old LUA files also causes issues, even when the addon is turn off.

Or, move zour entire WTF and Addon folder temporarily out of the WoW Folder and run it again.

OK. An update. I found out that its impossible to raid on 60.50, 60.53, and perhaps others. These IPs won't give you any lag when you're running around, but if you zone into raids, you will DC. I DCed on MH trash until I switched IPs around.

Workable IPs are 60.48, 60.49, 218.111.

No, it's impossible to raid if you're in a terrible area e.g. congestion.

I can raid at 60.52 which is notoriously slow but only in my parent's house in Miri, of all places.

well if its not the connection, er. how old is your ram? I noticed u're running a P4 and was wondering how old ur ram is. Rams do have a life span. I change my rams every year and no problems so far. Try switching with a friend who has newer rams n see. It might not be it but just check n see how old they are. It might help?

And he's going to do this during a boss fight? :?

rams and connection.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Added on June 14, 2008, 3:53 pmtheres always lesser bosses or fights that prolly dont require any addons. unless ur just trying to make a point that you cant play for shit without addons carrying your ass. eitherway its their call on it, mods nowdays are well known to dc/crashes considering the ammount of data spams they do for syncrhonizations. have you ever seen the mod channel? the moment you turn it visible you'll see data being spammed across in the microsecond timeframe.

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 14 2008, 03:53 PM

My point is that your advice is not feasible since there is no way he'd be able to properly weed each mod out during boss fights unless 24 other players can sit there and twiddle their thumbs while someone logs out and in trying to see which mod is causing him problems.

and your totally taking it the wrong way as no one have said anything about doing it ONLY at boss fight, and/or logging in and out DURING the boss fight. why cant he just join the raid without any mods in the first place? then next raid with one or a few mods on. and whos to say he couldnt do what you said on bosses thats on farm status? im sure that if said guild is farming illidan for example, they could prolly kill a boss in tk/ssc with like 20man or less.

it could even be gruul/mags just for the sake of 25man.

my point is that if you really want to solve your problem, dont even give excuse on not taking solutions (more over those that really works) as they get you no where. feasible or not, instead of giving out opinions of how solution a wouldnt work, why not give out better solutions then?

Haha XD
I was expecting a really scathing response. But since I'm not contributing to this thread, I concede that you are right in the fact that there shouldn't be excuses for not taking solutions.

Does your guild allow you to raid without some *necessity* mod?
Like Omen?

I dont think so.

Try this, reduce the Omen threat update frequency, it may help a bit

This post has been edited by Kravo: Jun 15 2008, 12:55 PM

Ooo, great idea.. will try that.

On Addons issue, I'm one of the MT healers.. Needless to say I can't live w.o addons.
Yup, I remove WTF folder, delete cache folder, reinstall addons ..etc etc etc.. still hv high latency. Playable, but higher than usual, I'm guessing it the connection.
Ahh..it's not just at boss fight.. it was......... almost everywhere Battlegrounds, Shattrath, 5 man instances .. O well, I only read good suggestion and turn a blind eye on those scathing yet non-useful remarks.

P/S: Sadly, I can only get 60.54, 219.xx (EWWWW, very unstable) and 124.xx (very unstable too). Will see if I lag again today at 25man.. .. I'll just point my finger at tmnet if lags happen again.. .. BTW it's a she..not a he..

This post has been edited by eyantie: Jun 15 2008, 03:36 PM

I turn off Omen GUI when healing. Shouldn't be pulling aggro in single target and if multiple mob tanking for tank, then just drop in smaller heals.

And the RAM advice by noyze does help. Always a good idea to switch regularly.

raid just a few trivial bosses without necessity mods just to weed out which is causing the problem, vs no raid at all because the guy's always dc'ing.

hmm very hard choice

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Added on June 16, 2008, 3:53 ambased on what you said, it seems its the mod itself, and/or tmnut.

if i read correctly, you've stop dc'ing right? so this could mean just connection prob. (after what you did, and not dc'ing anymore, considering the cache and wtf folder deletion + mod reinstall) what you can do to further confirm this, is try to copy over your mods/ui/addons etc etc to your friend's or cyber cafe that you CONFIRM does NOT lag to play. (take caution, before doing this, make SURE, and by that i mean PERFECTLY sure that the destination ur goin to [cc or friend's place] does NOT contain trojans, viruses, and most importantly, keyloggers. make sure windows [and even adobe flash] is updated.)

OR

run without addons, if it still have the SAME lag.

if both method tested and confirmed still lagging badly, then 100% its connection and then you can either:

give a long /sigh since its tmnut screamyx (or some other random shitty msian ISP)

or

call em up and give em a piece of your mind

which ever suits you more.

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Added on June 16, 2008, 3:54 amram has nothing to do with conneciton. unless ur lagging on ur PC due to insuffecient ram. but that doesnt seem to be TS's case. (or the thread hijacker riding on TS's thread)

This post has been edited by Quazacolt: Jun 16 2008, 03:54 AM

OK man. I've the VERY same problem as yours. Here's the thing I did and here's the findings I got.
Like what you said, I've the same prob as you as well. It appeared out of nowhere at all, frankly it's annoying me so much, I stopped raiding for the last four months. JUST WHEN THEY FRIGGING MADE INTO MH/BT!
... fuggers..

Anyway.

Computer/UI/Addon/whatever shits.
No, it's not your computer. I believe you've done all the necessary steps in doing that one. I've gone to the extent of changing my RAM, display unit and believe it or not, changed my OS as well. Nothing, and I mean NOTHING helped.

You get DC during heavy fights. I believe your com can take in fair amount of data, sync, but during large scale pve content, there's so much data floating around, it's simply near impossible to do it. Why? Spikes.
Yeah, connection spikes. Your UI/addon furiously try to keep up with the rest of the raid, while you're getting NO connection from the server, then after a good 2~5 seconds, you get lagged out, you'll know when it happens. You log in back again, and being in mid fight, you'll get DC AGAIN, cause your UI/addon syncs with everyone else again and it's simply not fast enough. It's bullshit, I feel you on that one.

The only thing that helped for me is rewiring the home's phoneline. Yes, I'm not kidding. I now have a direct line from the phone jack outside of the house straight in. That helped the spike bits. Also, getting the right IP for it helps a lot too. 218.111.*.* works for me now. 600~700ms, I don't quite care, as long as I don't get spikes, and I dont' get DC.

It's extremely frustrating. But yeah, it lies with your connection/line. Not your computer like the rest claims. Keep on finding the root of the prob man. Good luck!

and, how does that not relate to:


/facepalm

Not the way they decribed it. Lag spikes can't be helped. Even when disabled it still DOES causes the dc. Too much info such as damage and shit still goes thru. I've gone thru the extent of turning off damage reports down in the options, and no, I still get DC'ed.
No external UI, no external addons, no damage numbers.

Makes sense?

Yea, 60.50.x.x is terrible for raiding. It is deceptively fast during non-raid activities, but when you zone into instance with 24 ppl, it goes to sh|t

do you realize that WoW data comes in 1.x-2+ KB per packet?

your "too much info" is actually just small sized numbers data value. its just mods further spamming that throughout the addon channel and parsing it thats causing the main problem (provided you've tested it as ive mentioned)

for your case if you've turned on every UI and still face it then its obviously your connection issue. and ive even mentioned that.

just because in your case its confirmed to be connection issue you cant just claim everyone else is having connection issue straight away without checking the UI mods and PC settings/hardware. if things are as simple as you think it is, troubleshooting in IT would be a LOT easier and companies wouldnt be bothered paying so much for IT support.

what your saying is no different than idiots in LYN tech support/hardware Q&A sub-forum answering every problem with "format pc".

Do you use gamepath? i feel that when lots of data comes in, game path usually spikes a lot on some days, so i just turn it off. Even though the latency is 100-150 ms higher, as least there is no spike

whats the point of paying for such service then

You could try a different gate for Gamepath. Just test each one.

I began with telling the OP that I suffer the EXACT same issue he did, and I said here's what I did and discover along the way. The post was directed to OP. Not your replies, wherever that might be.

here:

guy a: omg pc blue screen

guy b: omg i pc blue screen too!

EXACT SAME problem

guy a: format pc!

guy b: ok i follow format pc!

turns out guy a's blue screen is due to w/e driver or software issue, format pc lolworked
guy b, which isnt so fortunate, formatted pc, and still get blue screen cuz the HDD is having bad sectors and/or other hardware overheating/failures.

same "i dc in raids lol" problem, but not quite.

Re-read the post please.







You seem to just choose what you wanna read and understand what you choose to understand... or perhaps my english writing's not up to standard these days.

why dont you take your own advice then?

ive provided so many examples that you cant 100% confirm that your problem is the same as the TS/(that other person that hijacked/hitch hiked the thread) so you doing what you did doesnt really matter besides them applied on yourself until the other TS/(that other person) confirmed it otherwise.

just look at your own first quote, unbolded text.
and on 2nd quote, unbolded text: you believe, but are you certain that TS/(other guy, ok ill name him/her other guy aka OG) done the same steps as you did? did TS/OG mentioned/confirmed that they did?

I'm at a loss for words, ain't gonna post further. Will let OP read it, and take the argument elsewhere. Ain't got nothing to do with this thread further more.