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z21j
post Dec 28 2011, 08:57 PM

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QUOTE(adam lee @ Dec 28 2011, 07:11 PM)
Not only 3 years for UOl ?

how about the lecturers in MMU ? good ?

compare the environment .. which one is better ?
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Duration:
3 years to get your UOL LLB IF you do not intend to practice. CLP is a must if you want to be practicing lawyer, unless you grad from local u LLB (UM etc). If your UOL LLB add together with CLP (although normally 9 mths study, but to be considered 1 year), then eventually you will need four years to proceed for chambering. While MMU, after 4 years, you can straight away opt for chambering.

Difficulties:
UOL LLB itself is not really a big issue if you put your effort consistently. CLP itself is tough and historically, a very high failure rate, but I supposed these few years the passing rate are quite ok. Most of the students can get through in first attempt, unlike in the previous few years. MMU LLB for me is a shortcut and "immunity". And you are "guaranteed" a place for chambering irrespective your result.

Study path:
UOL programs need self-discipline while MMU should be "easier" since it is a degree granted by a local institution. UOL considered high standard for a typical Malaysian, somehow hard to score but 2(2) is achievable.

Career goal:
If you only want to become a legal consultant in commercial line (like most of the accountant did in commercial MNC), UOL is ways sufficient, so MMU LLB would be unnecessary. If you want to practice in future and affordable, then opt for MMU (omit the local university), apparently your life would be "easier"

Study mode:
MMU LLB can only be done if you can study full time, while UOL LLB is quite flexible, can be done full/part time/ distance learning.

Fees: assuming no failure in the entire study, and the minimum duration to study
UOL LLB (distance learning) = RM 18k or even lesser depends the exchange rate.
UOL LLB (part/full time) = RM40k-45k. Half of the "additional expenses" will be incurred as "tuition fees" per your choice of institution.
CLP = Additional to the above fees, around RM6K to RM8k. Depends the institution you choose.
MMU (full time) = From RM54k, exclude the resources and extra fees (different from time to time). Need not consider the CLP fees.
*Note: If you plan to study full time in UOL LLB with any institution AND CLP, then the fees would be more or less the same as MMU LLB.

Location:
UOL LLB: At your convenience (distance learning), or local institution (mostly concentrated in KL, Penang, Johor, Kuching).
MMU: Malacca ONLY. MMU LLB is not offered in Cyberjaya. *So get ready with the hostel expenses.
*If you are local KL people, then UOL LLB seems a better choice.

Recognition:
UOL LLB: Internationally recognized (International firms would understand the difficulties of UOL Degree and will recruit fresh graduate *commercial line* even you are 3rd class honours.)
MMU LLB: Arguable internationally recognized. Some MNCs still prefer the "branded" uni. Somehow is not the firm does not recognize your certification, it is about "impression" to them. Thus, compared to UOL degree holder, MMU is slightly disadvantage. But if in Malaysia, I personally think no different.
*So, UOL LLB has wider spectrum.

Environment: **adam lee's concern.
UOL LLB: No real college life (except if you choose to study at KDU), but the numbers of students...err...
... For other college... general comment: (feel free to conclude otherwise)
a) BAC... experienced and dedicated lecturer, has good track of exam record. The notes are sufficient for exams and you need not do additional research unless you want to score first class then you have to work extra harder. Con is that BAC is too commercialize and simply about business.
b) ATC... essentially the eldest and famous law school in the nations. Good for CLP but ok for UOL. Although they are not so business-minded, but they charged the fees too high which I think it is not value for money.
*Both BAC and ATC, MANY students.
c) Mentari/Greencity... small college with few experienced teacher. Suitable for part-timer or working adult. Con is that the number of students are the exact opposite to BAC and ATC. Dont think it will last for long.
d) Crescendo... JB's only UOL law school. Education is ok, too basic. But enough for a pass or second lower.
e) KDU... can enjoy campus-life. The quality of the education is increasing and we shall expect more undergrad from this college. But, not value for money. Again, you deserve better education if you are afford to pay for it.
*All the above I conclude based on the notes, and hearings from friends and peers.
f) Distance learning... like a ship in the sea. You never know what will happen in exam / what's appear on your exam slip. haha. Either it can be HIGH.. (70-74), TOO HIGH... (75-76) or it will be VERY LOW (40-45) if you get the concept wrong, especially land, criminal, conflict, criminology, ip.
MMU LLB: Guarantee campus-life study environment.
a) The lecturers are experienced, and students need not worry about getting surprise in final. Because what is asked in the final exams would definitely be covered by the lecturer. Therefore, I also do not know how to comment on this. As student, you may know the expectation from the examiner clearer.

Hope this helps you.

This post has been edited by z21j: Dec 28 2011, 08:58 PM
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post Dec 29 2011, 06:14 PM

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[quote=adam lee,Dec 29 2011, 01:18 PM]
@z21j

thanks a lot !!!

so ... that means MMU is LLB only ? while brickfields is UOL ??

I have been told tat if i enroll next year(2012 ) in BAC.. perhaps april intake .. the problem is i have to wait until sep jsut got registration to sit exam in MAY 2013.. when come to 2013 .. i have to study exactly same syllabus as i study in 2012 ..consider as wasting time ?? and i still need another year to for chambering .. so total up =5 YEARS ??? oh gosh , pls tell me tat im wrong ..


Added on December 29, 2011, 1:23 pm


LLB = Bachelor of Law. Wherever you study; you will get LLB in the end, just the different awarding body only. If you study in MMU, the awarding body will be MMU itself; while if you study in BAC, the awarding body will be University of London (assuming you choose 3+0 UOL International Program). BAC is just like a "tuition center"-(for understanding purpose), that prepare the students for Uni Of London exams. Hope this clear some doubts.

Yes, the unique point of UOL is that the exam is only held ONCE a year which is somewhere May/June. The latest intake for the next academic year exam sitting is on Sept every year. (So, you have just missed the intake for the exam sitting in May/June 2012). No matter you join Jan/April/July/September intake next year (2012), you will still be sitting your exams on May/June 2013. The syllabus is the same but more time for you to do extra self-study. There are pros and cons. Nope, dont consider it as wasting time. First year is the "foundation" year that you must really find the best way for your studies in Year 2 and Final Year. With this "additional period", you can do more assignment and hence your exam in May/June 2013 would be easier.
Assuming you join BAC for UOL-LLB Program next year Jan/Apr/July/September.. (2012),
The you will have your ...
first year exam (call 'intermediate') on May/June 2013
second year exam ('Final Part 1') on May/June 2014
final year exam ('Final Part 2') on May/June 2015
... while waiting for the results (normally release end of August), you can start your CLP program at BAC or ATC. THat will be August/September 2015 and you have be sitting CLP test on July 2016.
Chambering after you pass your CLP test for a period of 9-12 months. (normally 9 months).
And... called to the bar before you are a qualify practitioner.

It's seems like a long path but eventually all lawyers who were in your position have to go through the process above mentioned. You will NEVER feel regret when you pass your CLP exam (first attempt).. haha...

But such a process is quite mentally challenging. So, pass ALL your exams at one goal is the key, or else you might be demotivated somewhere in between and end up no where. Good luck.

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post Jul 2 2012, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(minshuen @ Jun 30 2012, 10:47 PM)
hello everyone i have just become a law student and taking degree transfer programme.what books are recommended for contract law and constitutional law?anybody has second hand books to sell?
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contract - -> McKenzie
consti --> online reading
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post Jul 3 2012, 10:05 PM

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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ Jul 3 2012, 09:25 PM)
You meant McKendrick?
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thanks for your correction. This book quite comprehensive and easy to understand. Above suggested H.Barnett for consti.. I personally think that this book quite hard to understand (without basic foundation).
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post Jul 31 2012, 08:18 AM

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But the reality is no one could feel how difficult the uol program until he experiences it.
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post Aug 3 2012, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(academiclawyer @ Aug 2 2012, 07:36 PM)
Wait till you try CLP.
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different level, cannot be compared with uol degree.
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post Aug 22 2012, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(koaydarren @ Aug 19 2012, 10:54 PM)
i dont really understand the requirement.. Can i practice in Malaysia without a STPM or a level certificate?.. because once i finish my degree in business, i plan to study law and practice in Malaysia.. can anyone guide me?.. Thx
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What do u have prior to enrol your business degree?
If you have the equivalent qualification (assuming you have SPM and equivalent too), then you can practice. STPM equivalent like Malaysian matriculation, UEC, Australian Matriculation ... etc.

If you only have pre-university, then no.


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post Aug 22 2012, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(koaydarren @ Aug 22 2012, 03:36 PM)
I enrolled into a foundation program be4 enrolling to my business degree..
Ur equivalent qualification is pointing what qualification?
Can elucidate the path of not having either A lvl and stpm?
I plan to study at BAC.. now i majoring in Marketing
Thx alot
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Like I said, equivalent qualification (STPM/A-level) = Malaysian matriculation, UEC, Australian Matriculation.
Since you have only foundation, it is NOT recognisable STPM/A-level equivalent qualification.
If you want to practice in Malaysia by doing an oversea law degree, you must have CLP. For you to get accepted into CLP, you need the abovementioned.
The only way that you can PRACTICE law in Malaysia is to re-take A-level.
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QUOTE(subaa @ Sep 9 2012, 11:22 PM)
hi friends.....

im interested to study law......would need some guidance here.......I would like to do commercial law

1. which is the best / recognised law school....? and how many years is it to complete the course?
no best school per se, "best" depends on which ankle you view it. Currently ATC/BAC did pretty good job.
3-4 years (normal circumstances). 2.5 years if you do UKT.


2. is CLP  compulsory ? I have a degree already
CLP only compulsory if you want to practice law in Malaysia. What kind of degree you have? Non-law degree is out of discussion.

3. I was thinking of taking the course from Taylors...
hope someone can guide me thru this...
Taylors provide UKT only. So, if you are affordable, UKT is always better choice to make your life less miserable.

thanks a bunch.
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--subaa--
since you already have a degree.. I personally think that it is unnecessary to pursue a 80k ukt degree.
I felt that if you intend to do part time, try UOL LLB program though it is a bit tougher.
Yes, whoever want to practice law in Malaysia by holding oversea law degree must take CLP.
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QUOTE(eXau5t @ Sep 22 2012, 12:10 PM)
according to some of my seniors while they were exchanging opinions and experience on BPTC and CLP,

I would say most of them agreed that the cons for CLP is that it is very paper based and as such, practical advocacy, argumentative, presentation skills are not learnt properly or at all untill their chambering period.

Different from CLP apparently BPTC provides better practical training and in some of their opinion, a harder course to get through.

However, bear in mind BPTC cost up to 5,6 times compared to CLP.
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only if you pass CLP in the first few attempts. If keep failing, then the time and money wasted... etc?

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