Welcome everyone....

Freshwater stingray are becoming the most upmost pet to be kept!!!
But there is still alot of hidden secret for rearing freshwater stingray....
The can be very active today but for no reason they die the next day....
Due to the fish species, some of the medicine that we normally use to aids fishes doesnt mean it is suitable for this freshwater stingray!! worst of all, it will die immediately if wrong medicine are used.

So, please share your experiences or show off what you learn from stingray here!!!!
hAVe fuN!

Some of the stingray pic that i have or have it before....


Motoro




Sumspecial ray....unnamed





more to come....pls make this forum hot!!....

This post has been edited by yscagro: Jun 27 2008, 05:15 PM

Another Picture of Motoro Stingray
Its For Sale too....
Matured enough for breeding
Approximately 12" inch diameter




Comment please

This post has been edited by yscagro: Jun 27 2008, 05:25 PM

wow looks cool..how much isit? how many types of stingray is there in the market? wut do u feed em?

is this the typy of fish kill the crocodile hunter?

Stephen Robert Irwin (February 22, 1962 – September 4, 2006), known simply as Steve Irwin and nicknamed "The Crocodile Hunter", was an iconic Australian television personality, wildlife expert, and conservationist. He achieved world-wide fame from the television program The Crocodile Hunter, an internationally broadcast wildlife documentary series co-hosted with his wife Terri Irwin. Together, they also co-owned and operated Australia Zoo, founded by his parents in Beerwah, Queensland. He died in 2006 after his chest was fatally pierced by a stingray barb while filming in Australia's Great Barrier Reef. - wikipedia.

could possibly be.

yeah he was pierced by a stringray barb

very sad ler.
er, we do eat stingrays too right?

u mean those type of ikan bakar?

yesss.

anyways, TS, beautiful stingrays you have there.

wow....finally there some feedback coming in..thankz everyone!!!!


motoro is the most basic or so called stingray for beginner....it is more easier to rare compare to other type of stingray...... for that size of motoro stingray, especially its a female....it will cost alot more expensive than the male.....it cost rm1k and above.....for a male at that size...u can get it below rm1k.....
motoro baby or small motoro is cost about rm300 for a male and rm380 for a female.....so u can roughly see the idea what the price about......
there are few kind of stingray you can get in malaysia......they are namely:-
motoro
pearl
henlei
tiger
leopoldi
& etc......

crocodile hunter is killed by a wild stingray and its a salted version of stingray.....
this stingray is freshwater.....anyway, its the same......jus that this is freshwater another is saltwater version...



Will update more pic about this freshwater stingray sooN!!!

This post has been edited by yscagro: Jun 12 2008, 01:35 AM

1 questin. Where u get that? River?
Nice fish btw.

yea....they are from river....mostly from south america....
but to date, we able to get stingrays dat locally breed in malaysia



This post has been edited by yscagro: Jun 12 2008, 12:56 AM

So got a breeder here. Izzit hard to bela it?
Some fish need a clear water, not much clorin

yea...there quite a number of breeder around the country of malaysia....
but most of them are still small....or some sort other home breeder.....
they take it as an hobby rather than business....

hard or not to rare this fish is realli depend on the person....
some might find it easy but some are not....
for me 50-50....
i did success in keeping a few rays...but i also experience of losing alot of money investting in this rays...
so...everything come with an experience....n an experience comes with a pay.....



This post has been edited by yscagro: Jun 13 2008, 03:18 AM

no update for today...
im outstation....jus got a chance to get onnected from some coffee shop
the following update will be some baby ray's that i hav...

I love to own a pair but scared from the story i have heard that ray are very sensitive with bad water...

that true bro....buthen u didnt have it...u wont know it....
n this forum is for everyone who hav or dun hav to share experience about having a freshwater stingray
will post up more thing about stingray soon

heheh.. how much fr a pair???

may want to try

ur fren is breeding it but u din know got ppl breed??
im from perak... how bout ur fren??? mayb if he allow, i pay a visit to him.....
we can exchange idea


the cheapest for now u can get a pair is budget around RM650-RM800


but 1 thing u need to know.....the market now u hardly can see any FEMALE!!!
female is priceless and not much ppl wil sell it....

this hobi is too expensive for me LOL..

then what your hobby???
from what i observe, no hobby in this wrld is cheap!
its jus depend on the person point of view....
if they likes it, no matter how much they will try to get it....
hobby = pricelessss......

this is a JUS BORN baby stingray....
look at the stomach, they do hav egg yolk in the body....
the egg yolk take about 1 week to disolve.....
within that period of time, the stingray can survive without feeding
but anyhow, as stingray eat like pig, they will eat anything that around them....
giv comment if im wrong.... cuz that what i got to know about.....
mayb someone out there are more experience...
still learninG!!!




This post has been edited by yscagro: Jun 27 2008, 05:29 PM

wow

incredible

interested here also

but ur location too far... hehe

maybe 1 day

wat else u play?

hahaha.....
my location not far.......
during weekday, i most probably will be at kl....
onli weekend i ill be back to my hometown....
i travel almost everyday....cuz my job doesnt allow me to stay at one place...
even in kl i do have my fishes....cuz fishes are part of my life....
for now,
i'm into Arowana, Stingray & Discus

is a 4 feet tank size big enough to conduct captive breeding of stingray?
and another thing is most stingray are wild collected from rivers such as Amazon, am i right to say captive bred stingrays are more suitable and adaptive in aquariums & water composition?

i have read it before in books, that freshwater stingray have ancestry decent from their saltwater cousins. During the earth continental drift (tectonic drift) movement of the earth continents, has causing sub-divided oceans and rivers are formed from it, and water gradually looses it salinity level in waters further inland farther away from the ocean, some stingrays are trapped and become adapted to freshwater rivers over thousands of years in its evolution and survival capability. Some can even survive in brackish water, the area which the river meets the sea. Research has findings shows that bacteria that live in the digestive system of a freshwater stingray are the same ones that are found in those stingrays that live in sea water.

Guess that will answer why freshwater stingrays are sensitive to changes in the water in terms of salinity and chemicals.

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Jun 14 2008, 02:41 AM

where ur location in kl?

got time we come out chat chat lor'

thanks

Hi blitzboy, you r absolutely correct...what u say i true....
dats y sometime u will see ppl saying that having a stingray or raring a stingray is difficult while some say no....
there are few tactics or secret recipe that we need to know....
i learn from mistake....i have lost alot of money in this stingray, but i also do learn alot of thing.....
im glad that you brought up this issue....
1st of all, stingray are definitely from amazon which is Brazil, Peru, Mexico and etc.....
4year ago, when i rare this stingray, most of the people have failed so do i, but some ppl survive ....
1 have a bunch of fren rare this stingray 4 years ago...so we learn from here n there to find out the reason
4 years ago, our main source are from brazil, so when the ray's arrive malaysia, they need times to get use to our malaysia waterquality and environment......sme survive some no....
after these time we have learn n keep it survive, we manage to captive breed it...
for now, if you wan to buy a stingray from a LFS, the most important Question that you need to ask the LFS is where the ray's come from.....
you need to very sure where the ray's come from, if it s not captive breed then think twice...if captive breed, then the chances of survival is higher..
but if the LFS say import from somewhere else or he brought from someone who import from somewhere else....then becareful...
beside this, when u deicde to buy the ray's... ask the LFS to feed the ray....to check whether they eat or not....is they eat...then add another point in ur buying chances.....
many other thing that you need to look into before you buy a ray.....
will put in more information sooon!!!

nice to meet u blitzboy




my location is Sunway.....
we may make a plan to meet up if possible....

WARNING!!!....
pls do not attempt to try this at home.....
it is VERY DANGEROUS!!!

i happen to take this pic because the ray's are still young...they are less agressive....
but anyhow, they do attack!!!....
and it will stress them too....

i doing this is jus to get a good pic to keep in my documentary.....

hope you all enjoy....

This post has been edited by yscagro: Jun 27 2008, 05:57 PM

wah

nice stingray

by the way i study at sunway college

when free yum cha?

pm me ur contact

i wan visit u to c ur stingray

hehe

This post has been edited by FlamingIT: Jun 16 2008, 03:46 PM

oooo...icic...thats near....
you can get my contact from the pet shop list ma....

buthen at the moment those baby is back to my hometown...

but some new ray's will arrive by end of this month i think....

It's not a good sign if you see your rays breath like this....
Few problem might have cause this..
Water condition, ammonia level too high
Worst if the rays already being affected with virus internally....

Hi there nice ray you have, how do you tell the differences between the gender of ray? Male and female physical differences ??

i am considering keeping rays, and looking for those captive bred ones. If you manage to breed them i don't mind to buy a male and female sting ray from you. I think a 4 feet tank would be sufficient to breed them. I am from subang jaya. LOL.

you mean sting ray do attack when you handle it? you mean it bites your fingers?

This post has been edited by blitzboy: Jun 17 2008, 10:53 PM

i will post up some pic of the rays to show you how to differentiate between male n female....
very easy onli......
currently my fren have some captive breed motoro onli.....n the picture shown is my latest purchase from my fren....captive SP stingray....
so if you want i can get it for u....
4 feet tank is enough but the wide need to be at least 2feet.....

Here is the picture that can show you how to differentiate ray's between male and female....

A male have 2 claspers while female don't....


Enjoy!!!

can this stingray kill us like killing steve?

the sting ray that killed steve is the big one, and live in sea water.
if I am not mistaken the largest of all stingray is the manta ray and grow up to 5 - 6 meters in wing span.
the size is very big and so wide the way it swims it's like flying or gliding through water.




look at the size of that thing compare to the diver

Woah! u are damn cool man

how much does it cost u?

u r right blitsboy....
freshwater stingray can grow up to MAX 3 feet onli and depend on the kind of breed.....
normally onli around 2 feet




hahaha......its cost from lowest around rm200/rm300 til infinity.....
some breed cause about 5digit even is a jus a baby stingray....

5digit!
thats expensive
upload more of ur sting ray picture bro! its gorgeous!

no prob...be patient....hehehheh....
will upload more soon.....

here come another young male ray......
About 6-7' inch in diameter....


Hybrid Marble

dude, if im not mistaken that's a mantaray --, they're harmless

anyway...it's does have some kind of dangerous as the ray's is wild.....

Below the picture is a P12/P13 breed.
Henlei/Leopoldi

The baby ray's for this breed now are $$$$........
Due to the availability as brazil have been banned from exporting it.....

gosh, this kind of hobby gonna cost u alot of money man.
but it super cool

yea...costly.....costly to learn...costly to buy.....costly to maintain.....

some hybrid picture......

enjoy~~~

reminded me of steve irwin. die coz sting by stingray..he is a great guy..sad..you guys should visit australia zoo.

they are 2 different rays...... and y australia zoo?? i been there...

Hi All,
I am a new member from India. I am an aquarium hobbyist. I want to know few things about fresh water sting rays. I have been keeping one sting ray for almost 6 months. He ( or she !) is doing well. Last week I got one more.

Can any body help me to identify these two rays. I am feeding them with pealed prones, nothing else is acceptable for them. Is there any other food which is accepted by sting rays. What all things that I have to take care to provide them a good enviornment and health.

Regards

Ajay


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Hi,
I am a new member from India. I am an aquarium hobbyist.I have two sting rays with me.I just wanted to know whether Leopoldi is available in Malaysia ,and what will be the cost ?


Regards

Ajay

Hi!!! welcome Ajay!
What stingray u have now??? Glad if u can post up some picture
Yea, malaysia do have leopoldi...
erm....from what i know, it cost about RM20k per paiR!!!
this is the price for distributor.....so u can roughly know what the price for leopoldi here....

Hi,
Thank you very much for your reply.Please find attached photos of my sting ray, pls let me know your comments.Infact I had posted the photos of my sting ray yesterday in a different Topic (sting rays) created by me.I do not know whether it has been removed.I have visited your web site.its really ineresting to note that you are dealing Arowanas,discus and Sting rays.

I have a good friend in Malaysia,his name is Mr.Jason of Flower horn consortium.I had purchased flower horns and discus from him last year. Do you know him ? Regarding the price for Leopoldi, Is it RM 20000?!!!.


Regards

Ajay

Hi, thanks for visiting my site!....
I heard of the company before but not sure whether i have went there before or not because flower horn hav been disappear from the market for sometime.....but still do hav ppl loving it.....

anyway, back to stingray.....i guess ur stingray is a motoro and a yapezi......
i bought from your place INDIA?? or import it?

Hi,
Ornamental fish import is not allowed in India. But if you hand carry one or two fishes when you come from abroad normally customs wont trouble you but some times they seize that also.There are some carriers who brings all sorts of ornamental fishes from Singapore and there are some traders who purchases it from them and sell it to the local shops.

I got both the rays like that. Getting rare varieties in Indian market is very very difficult. Carriers bring only items that can be sold immedietly.

Being an expert in Sting ray could you pls help me out to provide my sting rays a better enviornment in the tank. I am a begginer in Sting ray.I have the following doubts,I hope you will clarify those.

1) How big the aquarium should be ( They are 4-5" in diameter ),What type of subsrate is suitable, and what type of filteration is ideal.

2) What all feeds do they take.(At present I am feeding them with only peeled prowns,they are not taking any thing else)

3) Is it possible to diferentiate the sex at this size.

I hope you will not hesitate to give your advice.


Thank you

Regards

Ajay


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Ajay, i would try my best to answer as much as i know from what i learn.....im not a pro yet...still a student learning about the nature of this freshwater stingray....so i hope every1 out there can share their experience here....n correct me if im wrong....

the rule for keeping stingray is , keep it in a tank as big as possible....rays like big tank....for example like yours, a 4 feet tank would be enough at this moment...but will need a bigger one when they grow bigger....
a tank dats big as 6 x 3 x 3 would probably able to keep 4 adult stingray......

foods that they take would be shrimp, live fish, earth worm ....etc.....more to things that is soft or not too hard as well as things that can be fit in its mouth!.....so if you are thinking to comm tank ur stingrays with other fish, try to get the fish that not easily fit into rays mouth as they will clean up everything dat the tank have....

the sex diffenrentiation can be found in this thread somewhere in the pages 2....i have post up the topic on how to differentiate the sex there....
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=18054337

anyway, im not hesitate to share!! i love sharing!!...

by the way, nice to know u n get some new info that india is hard to get ornamental fish...wat a sad thing....
any reason that the govenrment do not allow ornamental fish to be import to india???

This post has been edited by yscagro: Jul 15 2008, 05:27 PM

Hi
Thank you so much for your reply.I have checked the link which tells about deferentiating sex of sting rays.Regading the govt restriction on import.govt of India has included these items in restricted species category.If somebody wants to bring some fishes they have to get a special permit from DGFT ( Director general of foreign trade) and its a Herculian task.You have to provide a huge documents including the photos of fishes at different ages,even then there is no gurentee that you will be permitted.Just imagin the compersome procedures involved to get a fish,that is why no body is trying to import the fish to India, rather they smuggle it.

Please let me know what will be the cost of a Chilly red arowana there (size- 6").It should be taged and guarenteed for color.

Regards

Ajay

wow....dats is so problematic to get ornamental fish in india......

chilly red?? erm....probable RM2000 to RM3500....depend on quality....
there is no such thing called guaranteed in raring arowana....its mostly depend on how you take care of it...they need skill....so, hard to giv u a guaranteed on this...

so, how much u purchase for both ur stingray?
they are male or female?

Hi
Why I said guarantee is that, I have seen big Red arowans,18-20"size( There will be a light red color on the fins,nothing else) purchased by people by spending good amount for a small one (4-5"). From the LFS you will get certificate with tag no and everything but once they grow up ,you cant find any red coloration on the body inspite giving good food and water condition.So I have a strong feeling that what we get here is not an A grade(Best quality)Arowanas, the reason is very simple since the carriers are bringing it,they do not take a chance by spending lot of money on a juvanile red arowanas as there is no guarentee that they they can come out of the Airport,without being caught, with the fish.

Regarding my Sting ray,I paid aproximately US $ 140 ( I do not know the conversion rate for RM,that is why I mentioned in dollors) for each (3.5-4"dia). that too after waiting for two months after placing an order with a bigger wholesaler who normally gets the fishes from the carriers.As I mentioned early these carriers normally do not bring sting rays and some african cichlids which are not fast moving in the trade, unless there is a special order for that variety.

So I do not know whether I have paid a lot more than the price in Malaysia. Regarding the sex,one guy is a male today I checked it when he was climbing the walls of the aquarium the other one was always on the bottom so I could not check it. Pls let me know the price of same size Sting ray at Malaysia.(If possible pls convert it in to US $)

Regards

Ajay

oohh...ur stingrays is around that price for selling in LFS of Malaysia....so, not to worry that you bought too expensive!...
by the way, for arowana, in order for breeders/distributer/ etc...they definitely require a tag on the arowana..we could not simply export the fish out of the country without a tag on the aro...because arowana is control under CITES...
from what you said n what i read thru, you might be right but you might be wrong too....
for example, if you bought that arowana (let say 4years ago), then you might be wrong, because red arowana onli will start develop it potential colour when it reach the matured/old age....but during this time, due to better quality and special care, red aro tend to start developing it colour when it is still young....BUT BUT BUT....red arowana realli do need skill....it depend on what you feed them, how your tank structure, your water condition and so on.....so, good luck!...even me myself sometime do face prob like ppl out there where the red arowana doesnt look great like others ppl arowana.....

im looking to get more higher quality stingray now.....plaaning to go into getting marble stingray and SP

Hi
Thank you for your reply.Please get in touch.I will not be on line for few days from today.I will post once I am back in home town.

Regards

ajay

so do i....hehehe...try to online at least 1hr a day...

here are some of my stingrays update....they are all 20" inch diameter and above....
they are placed in a 6 x 3 x 2 fibertank.....but already moved into a bigger pond....will update the pic of the place they have been moved to soon!...
hope you guyz enjoy!!!

Hi, Nice photo, From where did you get it ? At what price ? Are they two pairs or just 4 numbers only. Waiting to see more phtos.

Ajay

hey ajay, long time din hear from you.....its 2 pair in the picture....got it from malaysia locally....this 2 pair both hav borned pups before....
I exchange it with arowana.....so, the estimation price for a pair of this is about RM4,500 my cost....about USD 1360...

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Heres a few of mine

Still small ie. 6 - 8 inch in disc size

Enjoy

Hi.
How long you have been keeping this rays,How long it took to grow this size.How often you clean the sand in the tank.What about the feed ?

Regards
Ajay

I bought them(this lot) back in April !!

The sand I change every 6 months (try to )

Feeding
- Live feeder fish inside all the time
- Supplement with sea prawn , pork , beef , sea fish fillet ...............etc

hey samperth....glad to see you here n great that u keep stingray too .....welcome to the forum!!!
your motoro stingray look great...how many u hav? look like u at least hav 3 in the pic.....feed us with more info....is an aquarium or pond???


ajay, it tooks around about 6-8 month for that size....depend on your feeding.....how your stingrays???? all still cool??

Haha a few my friend but all the normal type !! A local fish shop claim to be selling some Marble ( like the one you offering ) But as in another town/city will make that trip coming weekend !!


I keep them in fiberglass tanks placed outdoor !!

But male do grow faster than Female - Agree ?

outdoor ar?? where u stay?? hahaha..i go break in....JKJK...
male faster than female??? i dont think so....i think female faster than male...but its realli depend on the fish 1 la....mayb ur male grow faster because he manage to eat more....

Hi, My sting rays are fine.but the problem is that the male doesnt eat anything other than earth worm and prowns. female is okey with other small fishes also.I have not tried Chicken , beef or pork.Let me try that also.

How long it will take for a sting ray to reach up to 8" dia.

Its normal ajay, some of my stingray doesnt eat prawn but onli fishes.....mayb its their appetite problem....u can train it by not given them food for 1 or 2 day, then try with the new food that you wanted them to eat....but make sure do not over starve ur rays......in order to make this food eating changes, make sure ur ray is healthy and look fat.....because its dangerous to train n starved and unhealthy stingray....

Normally a stingray can take about 8 to 12months in order to reach 8" diameter....depend on the ray itself....

Hi, One of my sting rays is not taking any food.He used to take prawns or earth worms.but for the last two days he is not showing any interest to food.Today when I gave him small peices of earth worms he is trying to eat it but after chewing it for long time he spited it out.What could be the reason ? What should I do ? Some times he is not laying flat on the bottom instead like an arch ( Without touching the bottom of its body fully on the floor ). Please help me ....

Ajay

If not laying flat most of the time is water condition not good or some infection ...etc

If that occur most of the time they will eat less or reject food altogather !!

Are there any rashes ( red in particular on the underside ) discolouration ( almost white on surface ) are signs to look out for !!

They are scaleless creature so they dont respond well to most medication THUS prevention is best !!

A pic of your Ray in the said arch position is best !!

will they fight with each other when in the same tank?

Bro Ajay, I think might be your water condition is not going well with the ray.....u should check ur water parameter....such as PH, NH3 and Nh4.....water condition is vy important for freshwater stingray....not flat on the bottom instead of looking like an arch??!! i hope its not wat we called "death curl"......if its a death curl, then its hard to safe it....so,hav a check on the water condition, and do water changes ....onli changes about 20-30% at once...not too much...and make sure ur water going into the tank is safe from hurting ur ray....


they dont fight with each other....but sometime will happen if more male fighting for 1 female when they are matured.... jus like human.....or else, they wont fight if they are feed well....

how to play around with them... if they can STING us...
i dont wan to die like crocodile hunter... >_<

Hi,thank you for your advice. I changed the water the moment I noticed its behavioral changes.today also I changed nearly 30 %.But the other one ( Female )was very comfotrable at that time. I used to change 30 - 40 % water every week. Today also when I gave him prawns it took it in the mouth,chewed for some time then left it just like that... I do not know what is wrong with him...Any infections !! Does it require any antibiotic treatment ?

hmm....u wont die like crocodile hunter....
freshwater stingray will not sting easily....onli when they feel unsecure...
and if get stung, no worries, keeping stingray rules - deep your stung-ed part into warm/hot water...then the poison would not spread....normally u will feel abit numb when u got stung...but evrything will be fine...go to doctor if u feel uncomfortable...
u can train ur ray using hand feed....stingray can be hand feed....it the fun part of keeping a ray....and ray will be vy happi see-ing going near them ....(when u walk near the tank).....
hav fun keeping stingray!!! if u dun hav...get one!!!


u r welcome....ajay, try not to water change too much at a time....20% is more than enough....if u feel not good enough...change it few hours later.... what kind of prawn u feed them? live prawn or market prawn??? live prawn would be a good food for rays.....infection?? mayb...mayb not....so, keep up wit water changes but not too much in a time....and feed them good stuff......rays doesnt goes well with soe medicine....no to antibiotic...so, do not simply apply medi onto ray....water changes would be good enough....hope everything will be fine

Hi, I am happy to inform that he is much better today, had a small peice of prawn and looks more comfortable today, thanks a lot for your advice. Regarding the prawn, what I feed is market prawn only. I am living in a state called Kerala , our western border is Arabian sea so we get lot of sea fish including prawns. So I peal small prawns and keep it in the freezer and give it for maximum one week not more that. Buying prawns daily is dificult for me that is why once in a week purchase.

Regards

Ajay

dats very good to hear that your rays getting better!!!....nowaday stingray in malaysia getting more and more hobbyist looking for it....i hav sold alot of rays these day....out of stock!....hahaha.....the production of rays is limited compare to the demand requirement

Hope by this time you must have received some new batches of Sting rays for SALE ....My ray is abosolutely allright now. The other one(female) is little lazy now !! but okey. Seems she is more comfortable with live feeder fish like gold fish babies,than my prawns.

my new batch of ray will be arrive in a week time....then possiblity can be make available after 3weeks on quarantine....i will make sure all the rays free from defect then onli can sell it to public....

Oh, thats great.What all strains are you getting? hope you will post the photos once you receive it.
eagerly waiting to see those photos.

this coming shipment mostly marble.....will update asap when i get it...

Just wondering if there is such a sp of motoro that will stay small with a trade name of " Mini Motoro"
- Just how big will they grow to ?
- How fast do they grow ?

These mini motoro look exactly like the regular motoro but retail at smaller size ie 2.5 to 3 inch disc size !!

Thanks in advance for any replies

Mini motoro??? where u heard about this type of SP motoro???
i have never heard about these type of motoro yet...2.5inch rays is basiclly too small..it happen to the female motoro for giving birth to the ray too early....its hard to take care and mostly hard to survive....

a normal motoro will grow about 0.5- 1inch per month....depend on the rays itself....a motoro can grow up to 24inch in an adult size and even bigger sometime for female....

if u realli do come across any mini motoro, pls inform me...im curious to look at it...

They appear on my LFS list from time to time price at about RM 500 a pc early this year !!

My LFS get his supplies from either Nangyang or Sanwa and some other I am not sure of !!

Thats why my curiousity !! As never heard of "mini" motoro anywhere !!

hm....dats special case...where r u from? seriously i have never heard of mini motoro before....is the LFS still selling "mini motoro"?? if yes, mayb i wanna go and hav a look...

I am in Sabah ! In fact I bought 2.2 but they only grew 1 inch for the past 6 or so months , while 2 regular one are already 9 - 10 inch
- Mini bought as 2.5 - 3 inch now average 3 - 4 + inch disc size
- Regular bought as 4 - 5 inch now average 9 - 10 inch !!

Now due to size difference I have to seperate them into 2 tanks !!
Runts of the litter maybe ??

Just bought some Marble but only males available !! SIGH

What are you feeding for these too small ones, Feeding my 4-5 inch itself is very difficult. they take only small prawns ( Pealed sea prawns ) that too one or two small one /day. Is it sufficient for their proper growth. Please let me know what are you feeding for your small ones and how frequently.So that i can also try that.