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ajayabbott
post Jul 14 2008, 02:37 AM

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biggrin.gif Hi All,
I am a new member from India. I am an aquarium hobbyist. I want to know few things about fresh water sting rays. I have been keeping one sting ray for almost 6 months. He ( or she !) is doing well. Last week I got one more.

Can any body help me to identify these two rays. I am feeding them with pealed prones, nothing else is acceptable for them. Is there any other food which is accepted by sting rays. What all things that I have to take care to provide them a good enviornment and health.

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post Jul 14 2008, 07:22 PM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jun 11 2008, 10:09 PM)
wow....finally there some feedback coming in..thankz everyone!!!!
motoro is the most basic or so called stingray for beginner....it is more easier to rare compare to other type of stingray...... for that size of motoro stingray, especially its a female....it will cost alot more expensive than the male.....it cost rm1k and above.....for a male at that size...u can get it below rm1k.....
motoro baby or small motoro is cost about rm300 for a male and rm380 for a female.....so u can roughly see the idea what the price about......
there are few kind of stingray you can get in malaysia......they are namely:-
motoro
pearl
henlei
tiger
leopoldi
& etc......
crocodile hunter is killed by a wild stingray and its a salted version of stingray.....
this stingray is freshwater.....anyway, its the same......jus that this is freshwater another is saltwater version...
Will update more pic about this freshwater stingray sooN!!!
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Hi,
I am a new member from India. I am an aquarium hobbyist.I have two sting rays with me.I just wanted to know whether Leopoldi is available in Malaysia ,and what will be the cost ?


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post Jul 14 2008, 10:12 PM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jul 14 2008, 05:09 PM)
Hi!!! welcome Ajay!
What stingray u have now??? Glad if u can post up some picture
Yea, malaysia do have leopoldi...
erm....from what i know, it cost about RM20k per paiR!!!
this is the price for distributor.....so u can roughly know what the price for leopoldi here....smile.gif
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Hi,
Thank you very much for your reply.Please find attached photos of my sting ray, pls let me know your comments.Infact I had posted the photos of my sting ray yesterday in a different Topic (sting rays) created by me.I do not know whether it has been removed.I have visited your web site.its really ineresting to note that you are dealing Arowanas,discus and Sting rays.

I have a good friend in Malaysia,his name is Mr.Jason of Flower horn consortium.I had purchased flower horns and discus from him last year. Do you know him ? Regarding the price for Leopoldi, Is it RM 20000?!!!.


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post Jul 15 2008, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jul 14 2008, 05:09 PM)
Hi!!! welcome Ajay!
What stingray u have now??? Glad if u can post up some picture
Yea, malaysia do have leopoldi...
erm....from what i know, it cost about RM20k per paiR!!!
this is the price for distributor.....so u can roughly know what the price for leopoldi here....smile.gif
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Hi,
Ornamental fish import is not allowed in India. But if you hand carry one or two fishes when you come from abroad normally customs wont trouble you but some times they seize that also.There are some carriers who brings all sorts of ornamental fishes from Singapore and there are some traders who purchases it from them and sell it to the local shops.

I got both the rays like that. Getting rare varieties in Indian market is very very difficult. Carriers bring only items that can be sold immedietly.

Being an expert in Sting ray could you pls help me out to provide my sting rays a better enviornment in the tank. I am a begginer in Sting ray.I have the following doubts,I hope you will clarify those.

1) How big the aquarium should be ( They are 4-5" in diameter ),What type of subsrate is suitable, and what type of filteration is ideal.

2) What all feeds do they take.(At present I am feeding them with only peeled prowns,they are not taking any thing else)

3) Is it possible to diferentiate the sex at this size.

I hope you will not hesitate to give your advice.


Thank you

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Ajay


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post Jul 15 2008, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jul 15 2008, 02:54 PM)
Ajay, i would try my best to answer as much as i know from what i learn.....im not a pro yet...still a student learning about the nature of this freshwater stingray....so i hope every1 out there can share their experience here....n correct me if im wrong....smile.gif

the rule for keeping stingray is , keep it in a tank as big as possible....rays like big tank....for example like yours, a 4 feet tank would be enough at this moment...but will need a bigger one when they grow bigger....
a tank dats big as 6 x 3 x 3 would probably able to keep 4 adult stingray......

foods that they take would be shrimp, live fish, earth worm ....etc.....more to things that is soft or not too hard as well as things that can be fit in its mouth!.....so if you are thinking to comm tank ur stingrays with other fish, try to get the fish that not easily fit into rays mouth as they will clean up everything dat the tank have....

the sex diffenrentiation can be found in this thread somewhere in the pages 2....i have post up the topic on how to differentiate the sex there....wink.gif
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=18054337

anyway, im not hesitate to share!! i love sharing!!...smile.gif

by the way, nice to know u n get some new info that india is hard to get ornamental fish...wat a sad thing....
any reason that the govenrment do not allow ornamental fish to be import to india???
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Thank you so much for your reply.I have checked the link which tells about deferentiating sex of sting rays.Regading the govt restriction on import.govt of India has included these items in restricted species category.If somebody wants to bring some fishes they have to get a special permit from DGFT ( Director general of foreign trade) and its a Herculian task.You have to provide a huge documents including the photos of fishes at different ages,even then there is no gurentee that you will be permitted.Just imagin the compersome procedures involved to get a fish,that is why no body is trying to import the fish to India, rather they smuggle it.

Please let me know what will be the cost of a Chilly red arowana there (size- 6").It should be taged and guarenteed for color.

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Ajay

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post Jul 16 2008, 01:03 AM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jul 15 2008, 09:50 PM)
wow....dats is so problematic to get ornamental fish in india......

chilly red?? erm....probable RM2000 to RM3500....depend on quality....
there is no such thing called guaranteed in raring arowana....its mostly depend on how you take care of it...they need skill....so, hard to giv u a guaranteed on this...smile.gif

so, how much u purchase for both ur stingray?
they are male or female?
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Why I said guarantee is that, I have seen big Red arowans,18-20"size( There will be a light red color on the fins,nothing else) purchased by people by spending good amount for a small one (4-5"). From the LFS you will get certificate with tag no and everything but once they grow up ,you cant find any red coloration on the body inspite giving good food and water condition.So I have a strong feeling that what we get here is not an A grade(Best quality)Arowanas, the reason is very simple since the carriers are bringing it,they do not take a chance by spending lot of money on a juvanile red arowanas as there is no guarentee that they they can come out of the Airport,without being caught, with the fish.

Regarding my Sting ray,I paid aproximately US $ 140 ( I do not know the conversion rate for RM,that is why I mentioned in dollors) for each (3.5-4"dia). that too after waiting for two months after placing an order with a bigger wholesaler who normally gets the fishes from the carriers.As I mentioned early these carriers normally do not bring sting rays and some african cichlids which are not fast moving in the trade, unless there is a special order for that variety.

So I do not know whether I have paid a lot more than the price in Malaysia. Regarding the sex,one guy is a male today I checked it when he was climbing the walls of the aquarium the other one was always on the bottom so I could not check it. Pls let me know the price of same size Sting ray at Malaysia.(If possible pls convert it in to US $)

Regards

Ajay

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post Jul 16 2008, 07:00 PM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Jul 15 2008, 11:55 PM)
oohh...ur stingrays is around that price for selling in LFS of Malaysia....so, not to worry that you bought too expensive!...wink.gif
by the way, for arowana, in order for breeders/distributer/ etc...they definitely require a tag on the arowana..we could not simply export the fish out of the country without a tag on the aro...because arowana is control under CITES...
from what you said n what i read thru, you might be right but you might be wrong too....
for example, if you bought that arowana (let say 4years ago), then you might be wrong, because red arowana onli will start develop it potential colour when it reach the matured/old age....but during this time, due to better quality and special care, red aro tend to start developing it colour when it is still young....BUT BUT BUT....red arowana realli do need skill....it depend on what you feed them, how your tank structure, your water condition and so on.....so, good luck!...even me myself sometime do face prob like ppl out there where the red arowana doesnt look great like others ppl arowana.....smile.gif

im looking to get more higher quality stingray now.....plaaning to go into getting marble stingray and SP
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Thank you for your reply.Please get in touch.I will not be on line for few days from today.I will post once I am back in home town.

Regards

ajay

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post Aug 7 2008, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Aug 6 2008, 08:49 PM)
here are some of my stingrays update....they are all 20" inch diameter and above....smile.gif
they are placed in a 6 x 3 x  2 fibertank.....but already moved into a bigger pond....will update the pic of the place they have been moved to soon!...
hope you guyz enjoy!!!

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Hi, Nice photo, From where did you get it ? At what price ? Are they two pairs or just 4 numbers only. Waiting to see more phtos.

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post Aug 15 2008, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Aug 14 2008, 06:59 PM)
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Heres a few of mine 

Still small ie. 6 - 8 inch in disc size

Enjoy
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Hi.
How long you have been keeping this rays,How long it took to grow this size.How often you clean the sand in the tank.What about the feed ?

Regards
Ajay



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post Aug 16 2008, 12:08 AM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Aug 15 2008, 12:43 AM)
hey samperth....glad to see you here n great that u keep stingray too .....welcome to the forum!!!
your motoro stingray look great...how many u hav? look like u at least hav 3 in the pic.....feed us with more info....is an aquarium or pond???
ajay, it tooks around about 6-8 month for that size....depend on your feeding.....how your stingrays???? all still cool??
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Hi, My sting rays are fine.but the problem is that the male doesnt eat anything other than earth worm and prowns. female is okey with other small fishes also.I have not tried Chicken , beef or pork.Let me try that also.

How long it will take for a sting ray to reach up to 8" dia.

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post Aug 17 2008, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Aug 16 2008, 12:35 AM)
Its normal ajay, some of my stingray doesnt eat prawn but onli fishes.....mayb its their appetite problem....u can train it by not given them food for 1 or 2 day, then try with the new food that you wanted them to eat....but make sure do not over starve ur rays......in order to make this food eating changes, make sure ur ray is healthy and look fat.....because its dangerous to train n starved and unhealthy stingray....

Normally a stingray can take about 8 to 12months in order to reach 8" diameter....depend on the ray itself....
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Hi, One of my sting rays is not taking any food.He used to take prawns or earth worms.but for the last two days he is not showing any interest to food.Today when I gave him small peices of earth worms he is trying to eat it but after chewing it for long time he spited it out.What could be the reason ? What should I do ? Some times he is not laying flat on the bottom instead like an arch ( Without touching the bottom of its body fully on the floor ). Please help me ....

Ajay
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post Aug 18 2008, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Aug 17 2008, 08:44 PM)
Bro Ajay, I think might be your water condition is not going well with the ray.....u should check ur water parameter....such as PH, NH3 and Nh4.....water condition is vy important for freshwater stingray....not flat on the bottom instead of looking like an arch??!! i hope its not wat we called "death curl"......if its a death curl, then its hard to safe it....so,hav a check on the water condition, and do water changes ....onli changes about 20-30% at once...not too much...and make sure ur water going into the tank is safe from hurting ur ray....smile.gif
they dont fight with each other....but sometime will happen if more male fighting for 1 female when they are matured....smile.gif jus like human.....or else, they wont fight if they are feed well....
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Hi,thank you for your advice. I changed the water the moment I noticed its behavioral changes.today also I changed nearly 30 %.But the other one ( Female )was very comfotrable at that time. I used to change 30 - 40 % water every week. Today also when I gave him prawns it took it in the mouth,chewed for some time then left it just like that... I do not know what is wrong with him...Any infections !! Does it require any antibiotic treatment ?
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post Aug 19 2008, 05:42 PM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Aug 18 2008, 10:09 PM)
hmm....u wont die like crocodile hunter....smile.gif
freshwater stingray will not sting easily....onli when they feel unsecure...
and if get stung, no worries, keeping stingray rules - deep your stung-ed part into warm/hot water...then the poison would not spread....normally u will feel abit numb when u got stung...but evrything will be fine...go to doctor if u feel uncomfortable...smile.gif
u can train ur ray using hand feed....stingray can be hand feed....it the fun part of keeping a ray....and ray will be vy happi see-ing going near them ....(when u walk near the tank).....smile.gif
hav fun keeping stingray!!! if u dun hav...get one!!!
u r welcome....ajay, try not to water change too much at a time....20% is more than enough....if u feel not good enough...change it few hours later.... what kind of prawn u feed them? live prawn or market prawn??? live prawn would be a good food for rays.....infection?? mayb...mayb not....so, keep up wit water changes but not too much in a time....and feed them good stuff......rays doesnt goes well with soe medicine....no to antibiotic...so, do not simply apply medi onto ray....water changes would be good enough....hope everything will be fine
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Hi, I am happy to inform that he is much better today, had a small peice of prawn and looks more comfortable today, thanks a lot for your advice. Regarding the prawn, what I feed is market prawn only. I am living in a state called Kerala , our western border is Arabian sea so we get lot of sea fish including prawns. So I peal small prawns and keep it in the freezer and give it for maximum one week not more that. Buying prawns daily is dificult for me that is why once in a week purchase.

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post Sep 2 2008, 03:08 AM

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Aug 21 2008, 06:42 PM)
dats very good to hear that your rays getting better!!!....nowaday stingray in malaysia getting more and more hobbyist looking for it....i hav sold alot of rays these day....out of stock!....hahaha.....the production of rays is limited compare to the demand requirement
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Hope by this time you must have received some new batches of Sting rays for SALE ....My ray is abosolutely allright now. The other one(female) is little lazy now !! but okey. Seems she is more comfortable with live feeder fish like gold fish babies,than my prawns.

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Sep 2 2008, 05:19 PM)
my new batch of ray will be arrive in a week time....then possiblity can be make available after 3weeks on quarantine....i will make sure all the rays free from defect then onli can sell it to public....
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Oh, thats great.What all strains are you getting? hope you will post the photos once you receive it.
eagerly waiting to see those photos.
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QUOTE(SAMPERTH @ Sep 8 2008, 04:46 AM)
I am in Sabah !  In fact I bought 2.2 but they only grew 1 inch for the past 6 or so months , while 2 regular one are already 9 - 10 inch 
- Mini bought as 2.5 - 3 inch now average 3 - 4 + inch disc size
- Regular bought as 4 - 5 inch now average 9 - 10 inch !!

Now due to size difference I have to seperate them into 2 tanks !!
Runts of the litter maybe ??

Just bought some Marble but only males available !! SIGH
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What are you feeding for these too small ones, Feeding my 4-5 inch itself is very difficult. they take only small prawns ( Pealed sea prawns ) that too one or two small one /day. Is it sufficient for their proper growth. Please let me know what are you feeding for your small ones and how frequently.So that i can also try that.

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QUOTE(yscagro @ Oct 7 2008, 02:12 PM)
Yo everyone....been long time not posting....here are some new pic for sharing....my new collection!!!
Hope out there getting more and more ppl getting into freshwater stingray hobbies....

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its some kind of SP (Hybrid) Stingray....wink.gif
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Hi I am very sad to inform u all that I lost my male sting ray.It had some problems in taking food few months back then he was all right. But again two weeks back it stoped taking any food even his favourite prawns. Last month was very bad for me I lost one pair of breeding discus and one flower horn...Totally disappointed. Now I have only one Female sting ray.

 

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