A good manager is one who has enough strategic and tactical acumen to provide his players with a winning game plan, but can lift and motivate them when things aren't going their way. However, it is easy to confuse this type of manager with one who is with a club that has a blank chequebook. Any fool can buy expensive players and forge a few decent results in the short term. Sooner or later their shortcomings are always exposed.

I wasn't referring to Ferguson, just saying what I think makes a good manager. Typical of United fans to think that the world revolves around them, arrogant gits....

And you are calling me childish Apart from kobe8bryant none of you have actually come up with anything other than snide comments aimed at Arsenal. I have never insulted Ferguson, look through the thread if you don't believe me. I can't believe how ignorant United fans can be.

This post has been edited by disco333: Jun 8 2008, 02:19 PM

I remember the Graham years when discipline & a defensive style won us games. It surely didn't win us fans and it was torture watching them but they won.

Did i get lasting pleasure from it? To be honest after two three - months , and having to go back to watching the same dull football afterwards, no it didn't. Yes I was still a fan, yes I still shouted screamed and swore watching the games, living every kick , playing every pass but it was not fufilling

Now compare this style against how we have played in the past three unsuccessful years. We played some unbelievable football with the likes of Henry, Rosicky, Clichy, Hleb, & Fabregas that has been a delight to watch. Some of the CC performances with Traore, Walcott, Nick etc have also been of the highest quality. Yes we have been unsuccessful, but we have been brought in the main, pleasure from the style and panache with which the club has played.

When our youth beat Everton & Balckburns full strength side in the Carling Cup we boasted to our Man United and LIverpool supporting mates that they couldnt do same. Take last season when we beat Liverpool twice with the Reserves - who didnt feel a surge of pride? Didnt the win feel all the sweeter? Or take the Carling Cup Final against Chelsea - watching our young players play Chelsea off the park for 60 minutes, with some breathtaking football. Yeah we lost but for me seeing the style and future of the club playing so exquisitely it felt almost like a win.

Why do we watch football? Because it brings us pleasure. Simple so far but bear with me.

What is wrong with supporting a team not because they are successful, not because our fathers brothers mothers or mates support them - but because they bring us genuine pleasure watching them. I think genuine Chelsea fans will admit - as two have to me - that in a way winning the League twice under Moaninho didn't feel as good as they expected. Left them ecstatic for a while but they kinda felt slightly empty at times. They had to listen to taunts of buying the League. Theyve had to ensure bandwagonjumpers & fair weather fans. And all the while playing football that was oh so effective but oh so ugly.

I guess that changed my outlook. Yeah I still want success. Yeah I hurt inside when we fall at final hurdle as we did this year. After Pool game in CL I was physically sick for weeks after. But I'm still proud of the way we play. Of how neutrals envy us. Of how we gain fans not because we're successful but because we play the beautiful game, the way football should be played. Of how when I sit down to watch the Gunners I know i'm gonna be entertained.

Would I sacrifice all that pleasure just to see us win Cups and Leagues while playing like United or Chelsea? No my friends - because then I'd be no better than the bandwagon jumpers I despise.

So here's to style, quality and sexy football in 08/09 - AND success

Say what you like about our lack of success, most Arsenal fans don't give a rats ass! We play the Wenger way and we are satisfied!

This coming from a boy with a cartoon as his avatar

I never claimed to be better than anyone. So basically, it is alright for a United fan to personally attack an Arsenal fan but for him to stand for himself is unacceptable.

The 6+5 rule will never happen and even if does if will be homegrwon players not local players. There will too much a lot opposition from the EU

Believe me it won't happen...

Most United fans are fake and just jump on the bandwagon. United is like a trend and sooner or later trends go out of fashion.

I support Arsenal because I grew up in the region....

I never said that, do you even read my posts or just pretend to? The amount of rubbish that comes out of your mouth is bemusing.

Everyone has their own opinion, there is point slating someone else because they disagree with your opinion.

Please read the first post. Next time use your brains before you post nonsense. Thanks

You really have no class. What's the point of belittling another teams achievements? Clueless ****....

Only Otto Rehhagel didn't get a vote....