yeah, now I bet those who are doubting Koreans ability during WC02 will realised that Guus Hiddink is no pushover. He has proved that with the Koreans, Aussies and now Russians? Man, he's really something.

I wonder what would happen if SAF and Wenger work together? Wenger could be SAF's prodigy

I bet we might see one team which is undeniably superb in terms of attacking and man management.

I have to disagree on the bolded part. Could you please explain on how SAF won things with so-called kids(remarks of Alan Hansen), in these cases, that would be Scholes, Giggs, Beckham, Neville bros and Butt. I noticed that Mourinho hardly ever used youngsters from Chelsea FC academy ..

Apart from Terry, I don't see any youngsters name being mentioned in your post. This is getting ridiculous.

SAF isn't as good as Wenger in nurturing youngsters but Lampard, Cech, Joe Cole, Drogba, Essien and Carvalho aren't exactly from Chelsea's academy as far as I know. These names that you've mentioned are the same as the ones you've mentioned from United team. Cantona, Keane, Schmeichel, Bruce, Yorke and Cole were bought in order to balance the team throughout.

You can't always play youngsters on each every game. They are inconsistent compared to the senior players which are nurtured with experiences. I found no valid argument in your post. You just made yourself looked pretty much 'empty'.

Yup. my mistake. Lol.

But the debate went on when he did mentioned Lampard and co?

Mourinho can achieve more than SAF, that is no doubt. Given his age and the team he's managing.

No disrespect to Mourinho or Scolari, the team that they inherited are teams that are full of talents. Take Shankly for an example, or Busby and maybe Paisley. Like SAF, they built this team from core. United was nowhere a threat before SAF came in and after the Busby babes. United was a mid-table team back then. Heck, United isn't as famous as they are now back then.

He has turned Manchester United into arguably the biggest football club in the world. He has re-built the side several times over and is still successful to this very day, even when folk were questioning him a few years back. And of course, everybody knows his record with Aberdeen as well and how he managed to break the stranglehold that Celtic & Rangers had on the Scottish League, not to mention how he led them to a European victory over Real Madrid. I can't see his record ever being bettered by anyone else again.

This post has been edited by boxsystem: Nov 17 2008, 05:50 PM

The thing is Duke, we can't really compare the old English 1st Division with EPL these days. Back then, clubs had to compete with tight budgets and develop local talents onto world class players.

Nowadays, cash injections are factorized onto winning titles. Take Chelsea for an example. And yes, with the right person at the helm, successes could be sustained. We might see either City or Spurs to follow suit. That is why, IMO, managers wouldn't be given ample time to do what has SAF or Wenger did. Cost effective, as they'd say.

I don't really welcome him if he remains that "effective football" formation/tactics. Doubt that any United supporters would agree as well. But he is a great manager. Neither greater than Wenger nor SAF because of the football team he inherited.

Go read a bit about SAF before saying he stayed too long with Man Utd.

Loyalty sense, Wenger and SAF are winners.