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ckmoy007
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Jun 7 2008, 03:04 AM
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QUOTE(Axory @ Jun 6 2008, 06:47 PM) Hi, last time bros all suggest me to put amp with 1 component set. Front and backdoor coaxials. at the rear is 6x9 speakers. and 1 amp. I wan to noe why after i put amp d the sound when on loud loud still gt abit broken? Is it the amp not enuf power or my power reach maximum potential ady? pls explain to me. simple, ur gain of ur amp is too high. ur speaker can't take it. Tune it down a little. Another thing is ur HU, when u turn it up to 80% or more of the of max volume, distortion will be high at that point. Normally ppl set loudest lvl around 70-75%, lower the risk of extra distortion. If u use hi end stuffs like McIntosh, Nakamichi, Alpine F1 or something like dat, this situation most likely won't happen.  Hope this info helps.
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bafukie
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Jun 7 2008, 09:35 AM
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Jun 7 2008, 03:04 AM) simple, ur gain of ur amp is too high. ur speaker can't take it. Tune it down a little. Another thing is ur HU, when u turn it up to 80% or more of the of max volume, distortion will be high at that point. Normally ppl set loudest lvl around 70-75%, lower the risk of extra distortion. If u use hi end stuffs like McIntosh, Nakamichi, Alpine F1 or something like dat, this situation most likely won't happen.  Hope this info helps. y not?
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ckmoy007
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Jun 7 2008, 01:37 PM
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neva say wun happen but most likely wun happen....
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bafukie
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Jun 7 2008, 03:25 PM
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would like to know the reason why u say tat statement. This post has been edited by bafukie: Jun 7 2008, 03:26 PM
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ckmoy007
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Jun 7 2008, 04:27 PM
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hi end has better eq, less thd, more snr, better x-overs, gain regulator, stable power supplies, and lots of different technology to improve sound. basically hi end r made for top class sound reproduction all round low to hi volume, not for bad sound. can ask those hi end icer, will they tolerate broken sound in their system... less likely.
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bafukie
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Jun 7 2008, 08:56 PM
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ur not answering the question. I am asking based on ur statement u made. U were saying High End stuff most likely wun distort @ 70-75% max. What was ur basis of saying that?
Technology? kenot be.... Mcintosh MX 406 is 12 years technology.
'better eq, less thd, more snr, better x-overs, gain regulator, stable power supplies'
kenot be also.... mcintosh dun have eq nor x-over. Nakamichi and Alpine F1 deck also same.... no eq no x-over. How can tat contribute to distortion anyway?
might enlighten me?
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dirsly
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Jun 7 2008, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(Axory @ Jun 6 2008, 11:47 PM) Hi, last time bros all suggest me to put amp with 1 component set. Front and backdoor coaxials. at the rear is 6x9 speakers. and 1 amp. I wan to noe why after i put amp d the sound when on loud loud still gt abit broken? Is it the amp not enuf power or my power reach maximum potential ady? pls explain to me. every sound system in the world had their limit fren...understand n tune it to the optimum high volume n njoy..
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TSAxory
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Jun 8 2008, 12:09 AM
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er.... gt guide that can teach me to tune it? i willing to learn
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ckmoy007
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Jun 8 2008, 01:31 AM
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ok la bafukie, i surrender, u win... everything can distort... happy? i'm juz making statements blindly... apologize to u, my greatness...  u enlighten me la. wasting my time arguing.
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ckmoy007
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Jun 8 2008, 01:34 AM
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QUOTE(Axory @ Jun 7 2008, 08:09 PM) er.... gt guide that can teach me to tune it? i willing to learn tuning usually requires a lot of experience, and everybody's ear is different, so diff tuning suits diff ppl.
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bafukie
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Jun 8 2008, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE(ckmoy007 @ Jun 8 2008, 01:31 AM) ok la bafukie, i surrender, u win... everything can distort... happy? i'm juz making statements blindly... apologize to u, my greatness...  u enlighten me la. wasting my time arguing. im not arguing with u. I juz wanna know to learn more.
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craziechild
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Jun 8 2008, 12:46 PM
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hehe... no matter what you own... distortion is inevitable... that is why o-scoping is the first thing you must do once your stuff has been run-in... or better still, once it is installed...
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ckmoy007
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Jun 8 2008, 03:03 PM
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all hi end stuffs r built to minimize distortion to produce great sound. If they also distort, why buy hi end anyway? U pay for the built technology. Using complex circuitry and some hi end electrodes, capacitors, transistors or watever u name it, the result is brilliant sound. Even if they distort, they will keep it to minimal.
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driftmeister
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Jun 8 2008, 03:16 PM
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and what has amp SNR THD has to do with drivers distortion ?
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ckmoy007
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Jun 8 2008, 05:19 PM
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i dunno... try ask bafukie. He knows better. and THD stands for wat??
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bafukie
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Jun 8 2008, 05:33 PM
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no need ask me geh... ask google can liao THD: Total Harmonic Distortion Total Harmonic Distortion: When an amplifier is driven with a signal, the output of the amplifier is an amplified version of the input signal PLUS any distortion created by the amplifier. All amplifiers and signal processors add distortion to the signal. The levels of harmonic distortion in a high quality amplifiers are sooooo far below audibility that they are basically of no concern. When someone tells you that one amplifier is definitely going to sound better because its THD is rated at .002% vs an amp with .05%, you can be pretty sure that he doesn't know what he's talking about. Many people believe that THD below 1% is not audible and I believe they're probably correct. The fact is, especially in an automobile, the amplifier is the least of your worries. Speakers used for mids and highs commonly produce between 1% an 5% THD and for subwoofers the numbers can easily reach 10%. This doesn't even take into account all of the resonances of all of the plastic and metal panels in the vehicle.
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DerekKuah
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Jun 8 2008, 08:11 PM
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no matter its lower end, middle end or highest end will distort at a certain limit capabilities of the products. In short distortion occur when u jeopardise your speakers. To avoid distortion, match ur amp rating with ur comps requirement(norm refer to RMS for exact but there is a max output) but nowadays the spec is not 100% can be trust.
Proper matching is very important.
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TSAxory
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Jun 8 2008, 08:28 PM
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then i gt 1 more question. Wat song u all usually play to set ur tuning?
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bafukie
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Jun 8 2008, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE(Axory @ Jun 8 2008, 08:28 PM) then i gt 1 more question. Wat song u all usually play to set ur tuning? songs that u r familar with. Getting some reference cd is good like Usher Demo Cd/Focal Jmlab Cd/ Sheffield Recording. etc
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