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Jordy
post Jun 20 2019, 11:01 AM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jun 19 2019, 05:31 PM)
1 year already...
Still at 9.00

Compared to 2008. 7.00

+2 only.

Guess that finance sector now isn't robust as b4 anymore
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Banking stock is boring as they do not require much capex. So they would usually distribute up to 70% of their income to shareholders. Since there is not much growth story in the banking industry, expect the price to be stagnant.
Plus with the entry of so many disruptors now, it caused more competition in the financing field. Margins will have to be cut, more and more sophisticated investments coming up forcing banks to increase their cost of loan.
We should be lucky that the price is still holding up despite all these "bad" news. Pray that the price stays the same (while we continue receive above 6% DY). Any further deterioration in the stock price will just force us to keep topping up.
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post Jun 20 2019, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 20 2019, 11:18 AM)
Currently, banking stocks are like yield play.

Room for upside is limited by slow loan growth and low interest rate environment.
Banks earning improvement only can come from
1. More loan given out
2. NIM (Net interest margin) expansion.

1) Economy slow down, hence less loan needed, loan growth projected likelyhood in the region of 5% +/-.  So the likelyhood of dramatically increase of profit is low.

2) NIM won't see widening as cost of fund may not cheap for banks due to slow deposit growth.

So banking stocks generally are likelyhood to be traded at range bound tightly.
As current pricing is not that expensive, some banking stocks yield can be better than FD rate.
But upside is limited due to risk of NPL and stagnant earning figure.

This is not limited to Malaysia banking stocks, but many worldwide banks across. Many banking stocks are lagging the market.

PS: I won't be complaining if the stocks price is stagnant, while getting 6% annually.
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Yup, thank you for concurring with my views bro. You provided an extended explanation of what I have in mind. Couldn't have agreed more notworthy.gif
I wouldn't mind too if I could keep getting 6% yield (or possibly higher yield if I could lower down my average cost) icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 21 2019, 02:11 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jun 21 2019, 01:11 PM)
Thanks for the essential input.

maybe times has changed
banking stocks isn't cap appreciation and div anymore... look at RHB and CIMB.... I think some holders only enough to breakeven only after getting dividend.

besides, Jordy, the CF coffee son very hebat, open one hipster café liao LOL!! Name See you Latte. Still remember that day we mention his shop? Wow. LOL Earn so much owh. ahah
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Yes, technology will change the way we do things, we will keep evolving until a time when bank is just a place where we store our money safely (with very low or maybe no interest at all - take the case of Japan for example) for liquidity and emergency purposes only. All types of loans, stocks, investments, gold savings, foreign currency exchanges and many others might just turn to technology.
But until that happens, we still have enough time to reap enough profits from banks, and for people like Cherroy and I, we are contend with the yield that Maybank is providing us at the moment. I don't expect so highly on capital appreciation.

Speaking of "C U Latte" cafe, yes I do patronise it once in awhile for business discussions as it is a very quiet and comfy place where we can talk without a lot of distractions, and most importantly it is just 5 mins away from my office and 10 mins from my home. Specialty coffee wise, it is just OK, nothing to shout about (I still prefer Jamaica Blue than C U Latte lol). All I can say is that specialty coffee is not their forte. They would still be better off sticking with the usual Kopi O sweat.gif

QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jun 21 2019, 01:13 PM)
I think that our KLCI bottom should be around 14xx to 155x. Now indeed most of the capital now are mostly local, since the foereign outflow is so massive for the past few months. So yea, buying blue chip now is the best time. MBB is one of them smile.gif
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I beg to differ on the bold point. We have not seen a full blown worldwide recession yes, and we have another 1 year to go before the Americans can get rid of the baboon that speaks TOO much. So we have to bear with the worldwide domino effect he will eventually cause. When 2 giants collide, shockwaves will definitely be felt. I would prefer to keep cash now and wait it out. No rush to buy in now unless you have too much cash lol.
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post Jun 22 2019, 09:23 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jun 22 2019, 01:11 AM)
Usually, before a Big Crash there will be a Big Melt Up. U don't want to be completely out of the market if that happens.

N true there are a lot of risks out there now. The danger of catching falling knife thing. That's why I buy the blue chips with good dividend yield like Tenaga n Maybank. N Im not all in yet. Im about 40% in equities now.The rest are in cash, bonds, gold and USD.

Anyway, today added more Maybank at RM8.94. Now we wait... 😅
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No definitely I'm not going to be completely out of the market because I am getting above average yield from my portfolio. Just got to stick with it when shit hits the fan.
I am now trying very hard to conserve my cash (hand itchy and very tempted with Maybank right now). I am getting my bullets ready for any big adjustment in the market.
Just telling Xing that we are not totally out of the woods yet.
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post Jul 3 2019, 03:57 PM

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Wait for next year first, at least after the US elections lol. We want the sampah of a man to be out of office first. He talks too much and hurting the global economy. We need to avert this "crisis" first laugh.gif
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post Jul 4 2019, 09:35 AM

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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jul 3 2019, 05:40 PM)
US elections is in Nov 2020. Money put on FD till then?

Trump might still win then
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I wouldn't mind to save up my bullets first though. After all there is no rush. I already have a good amount of recurring dividend income from my current portfolio. Now I can afford to buy some time while waiting for market weakness. There are already signs of market weakness, just need some idiot to burst it.

QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 3 2019, 06:58 PM)
Well the corporation of US must do something...
It's all about the $$$... If can influence the voter to kick out bigmouth.. then good for global economy include Malaysia....
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QUOTE(bmwcaddy @ Jul 4 2019, 02:13 AM)
8.96 can enter? Seems abit low now, wanna buy it for long term and safe house for dividend/passive income. Thoughts?
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Depends on your own appetite. If you feel that you are satisfied with the current yield, then masuklah.
You can collect bit by bit, don't too rush. Now buy a bit and look at the situation before buying a bit some more.
With the current situation, the price won't go anywhere far for the mean time.
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post Jul 19 2019, 01:23 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 18 2019, 09:36 PM)
52 week low.

Jit pai ho seh liao.

Last week baru say mbb will lead bursa charge to 1700.
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Can start to top up if price touch 8.80 (which is very possible with the current situation).
Been waiting eagerly for way too long brows.gif
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post Jul 20 2019, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Jul 19 2019, 09:17 PM)
I'm queuing at RM 8. I guess I underestimated the stock price.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 19 2019, 09:32 PM)
wait more. can go lower. haha
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The price shouldn't go that low as it has fallen from an average of around 9.60-ish within one year, and most of it can be attributed to the fallout of Hyflux corporate bond. While most of the bad news have been priced in, we should see Maybank's share price stabilising. It is unlikely to see such a solid financial company fall more than 10% in such a short period of time in the absence of an economic crisis or recession. I believe the bottom support is around 8.80, with a yield of around 6.2%.
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post Jul 21 2019, 06:38 PM

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QUOTE(bmwcaddy @ Jul 21 2019, 12:09 AM)
8.80 forum TP?

Currently 70% of my portfolio is in maybank. Good idea to pump in more cash for maybank at 8.80? Or better just diversify?
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What is your average cost for Maybank? If there is not much difference from 8.80 then I suggest not to buy as 70% of your holdings in a single stock is already over-exposure by any standard. At most, one should only hold as much as 25% of any stock compared to the whole portfolio.

QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Jul 21 2019, 02:34 AM)
Maybank has 11,241 mil shares. Maybank has a total exposure of RM1.95bil to Hyflux.

Suppose the whole investment is 100% impaired, the share price should only fall by (1,950mil/11,241mil) RM0.17347. Before Hyflux news it was trading at RM9.20, minus RM0.32 dividend and RM0.17347 impairment, it should be RM8.70.

Now suppose Maybank keeps the dividend at RM0.25, it should be safe to buy below RM8.95 before the next QR and dividend.

But if US announce rate cut, likely it will fall a bit more.
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It's going to be hard to reach 8.70 as all of the impairment has already been priced in. Hyflux is now on the binge of a potential revival by Utico, and if a deal comes through, then Maybank's risk exposure in Hyflux could be reduced or completely eliminated. We are all eagerly waiting for the good news.

I am of the view that Maybank would only hit 8.70 if there is a weakening sign of our economy, or if our interest rate is dropped further.
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post Jul 23 2019, 05:54 PM

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QUOTE(moosset @ Jul 23 2019, 03:19 PM)
It's about to hit RM8.80 liao!!  rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Jul 23 2019, 03:47 PM)
Lai lai support at RM8.80
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jul 23 2019, 05:28 PM)
Touched 8.80 intraday. Close@ 8.82... Maybe by nxt week see it touch 8.75 (52 weeks low) again.. 😮
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Damn, I didn't call my remisier to help me queue at 8.80! The support at 8.82 and 8.83 was quite strong in the morning. Stayed at KPJ for the whole day for follow up with doctor after lunch, so missed the 8.80 intraday doh.gif

Hope tomorrow got chance to buy in some at 8.80, this time I will queue from morning, no more waiting bruce.gif

Anyone of you got it at 8.80 today?
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QUOTE(nexona88 @ Jul 23 2019, 06:21 PM)
something is cooking..
related to lower rate cut by US Fed whistling.gif
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Market expectation for a higher rate cut in US, but if lower then it will be less exciting for the market.
A lower rate cut is also a sign that the economy is growing well, so lesser risk of a recession.

QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 23 2019, 06:45 PM)
Later see see 850
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That is a bit far fetched la. There must be a supporting argument to prove the weakness of the share. At the moment there is no clear signs of such a huge weakness in it's price. 8.80-ish is the support level for now in my humble opinion. If BNM cut rate by Q3, then we might see the price going down to about 8.65-ish, but it won't stay there for long as low interest rate will spur lending. The loss in margin can easily be offset by increase lending activity as Maybank is still one of the top choice for Malaysians when it comes to borrowing.

QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jul 23 2019, 07:16 PM)
Wah still use remisier.. Haha..
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Yes, been with the same remisier since I started trading 20 years ago. And because I am always out of office for meetings and outstation, I cannot keep tracking. So a Whatsapp message comes in handy, when the deal is done he will revert back to me.

QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Jul 23 2019, 08:28 PM)
I say I waiting at RM8.80 but actually queuing at RM8.50

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Better wait for Department of Statistics Malaysia's inflation rate for June 2019 first. It should be out by end of this month. If it's deflation then most likely BNM will follow US and cut rates. This will cause banking stocks to drop further.
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Even if BNM cut rates also, it will not cause such a big selldown of the price. At most it might touch 8.65, chance of it hitting 8.50 is quite remote unless trade war risk worsens to a full-scale war which will in turn affect global market.

QUOTE(bmwcaddy @ Jul 23 2019, 09:14 PM)
Bought them below 8.95. as 70% of investment portfolio is due to my portfolio being very small (<20k), just started not long ago
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If you have additional bullets to top up if the price continues to weaken, then you may proceed to average down. If you have less cash, then better wait and see for a bigger drop before buying.

Edit: B/Q at 8.80 is strong at 11k lots, big buying support at 8.80. This looks like a good sign that it is bottoming out for now.

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post Jul 24 2019, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Jul 23 2019, 08:28 PM)
I say I waiting at RM8.80 but actually queuing at RM8.50

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Better wait for Department of Statistics Malaysia's inflation rate for June 2019 first. It should be out by end of this month. If it's deflation then most likely BNM will follow US and cut rates. This will cause banking stocks to drop further.
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There you go. CPI released as per your request thumbup.gif

And as we can see, the growth figure looks good, inflation is kept under control with no immediate worry of a recession or pressure to cut interest rate anytime soon.

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post Jul 24 2019, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Jul 24 2019, 01:16 PM)
Ok. Who's going all in?  thumbup.gif
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Not going all in yet. Queued 3k units at 8.80 since 10am. Hopefully my queue would be matched in the afternoon session sweat.gif

Buying support at 8.80 is too strong, guess it would be quite difficult for my order to get matched. Sellers are not letting go lol.
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QUOTE(bmwcaddy @ Jul 24 2019, 01:17 PM)
Guess i shouldn't be too greedy for now. Better to diversify into other reits at this opr cutting season
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Huh? Where got OPR cutting season wor? Choiiii. There is no pressure for BNM to cut interest rate, why you want them to cut some more? doh.gif

QUOTE(bmwcaddy @ Jul 24 2019, 01:20 PM)
Tapi Malaysia Boleh still cut according to us fed right?
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US fed is expected to cut rates not because they need to, because of some stupid big mouth keep asserting pressure only. Inflation figure is good in US, there is low risk of recession. Fed was reluctant to cut rates until just recently due to that stupid fella.

Malaysia doesn't have to follow US, we have our own sovereignty lol. Why care about that stupid big mouth? laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jul 24 2019, 01:18 PM)
Not going all in yet. Queued 3k units at 8.80 since 10am. Hopefully my queue would be matched in the afternoon session sweat.gif

Buying support at 8.80 is too strong, guess it would be quite difficult for my order to get matched. Sellers are not letting go lol.
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All 3k units matched at 8.80. So now lets ride with it.

QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jul 24 2019, 02:04 PM)
Inflation is higher than past months (it was negative early in the year), but fact is YTD is still relatively low. As mentioned in the article, RAM has revised this year target to 1% inflation. A country like Malaysia's healthy level of inflation is 2-3%.

What this means is that, when u combine soft inflation with other central banks also cutting, there is a higher chance of another rate cut by Bnm in Sept or Nov.

This will compress bank margins further if it happens, which I think why bank stocks are still dropping today.

Personally, I prefer Bnm to cut rates, but I won't bet on it.
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Inflation will increase in months to come once the petrol subsidy mechanism is introduced. In my humble opinion, BNM would wait for the CPI report post introduction of petrol subsidy mechanism before deciding if the interest rate should be cut down further. We need to have a balance and that is what BNM should aim for, so we shall wait few months for the petrol subsidy mechanism to kick in first.
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QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Jul 24 2019, 04:05 PM)
Oopsie it breached RM8.80
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It's ok, 8.78 is not that much of a difference. If it ever goes down to 8.65 then I purchase some more.
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QUOTE(frostfrench @ Jul 24 2019, 04:28 PM)
8.80 matched.

hopefully i made a good decision and good price for div
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Don't worry about short term price movements, just ride with it. It is a blue chip, so if you can get a good yield and at a good value, then it's the right decision. Small turbulence in the price is always expected, we just try to avoid the perfect storm only if possible.
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QUOTE(bmwcaddy @ Jul 26 2019, 09:24 AM)
What's going on btw? Why is it in such a bad downtrend?
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I believe it is the common fear that BNM would be cutting interest rates further down. All banks were affected. We'll just have to wait for BNM's announcement to calm the market.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 26 2019, 11:00 AM)
Next week fed meeting too.
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Any decisions out from the FOMC meeting will not affect of our economy as we are independent. If there is any movement in our stock market due to their decisions, it will just be a short-term reaction to the movement in NYSE. While generally traders could accept a small cut in interest rate, but a bigger than expected cut would send jitters into the financial markets. Again, any interest rate movement in US will not affect the profitability of our local banks in a big way. We are more concerned about our own OPR which will have direct effect on the margin of our banks.
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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Jul 26 2019, 01:05 PM)
Hmm I thought BNM movement always related to fed? As well as other central bank? Looks like I mistakenly thought.
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BNM doesn't necessarily have to follow Fed's moves. We have our own domestic consumption rate, household debt levels, unemployment rates and inflationary pressure, etc as our own economic markers. But as what Cherroy has mentioned above, liquidity in the market could increase due to the lowered cost of borrowing. This could have a little pressure on our margin.

QUOTE(FutureBuilder @ Jul 26 2019, 01:39 PM)
Is there anyone here building passive income through Maybank dividend using dollar cost averaging method? Mind sharing your strategy? biggrin.gif
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It is not cost effective to do DCA for stocks due to the high cost of investment, unless you can DCA with a big amount every month. We have the minimum brokerage fee to consider, so lets say you DCA monthly with RM500, even a RM10 minimum brokerage fee of RM10 will cost you 2% upfront on your investment. So one will need a higher DCA amount monthly to reduce the cost of investment.

QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Jul 26 2019, 02:00 PM)
That will be in mid Sept..

Personally, Im not too concerned about interest rate. A one off 25 bp cut by Fed shouldn't change BNM position, coz BNM already did that earlier. So we are back to "neutral" gear. Only if Fed suprise by a 50bp cut, then hv to re-evaluate.

Im a bit more concerned with what's inside Maybank books tho.. 1Q 2019 wasn't good profit wise, due ro higher impairments. 2nd Q could be worse, and this may impact the amount of interim dividend. That's why I'm looking forward to end of this month for the results.

But investing is about looking forward, n I'm generally more confident about 2H2019 for Malaysia and Asean economy. When that gets better, Maybank should perform better.
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True, long term wise Maybank is still a safe play, and its yield at current price is one of the highest. If it could maintain its payout rate as the year before, then the price could see a rebound from current level due to increased confidence. Management wise, I still prefer Maybank.

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