QUOTE(Yggdrasil @ Apr 10 2020, 10:37 AM)
Buyback is just like an investor buying from open market. It's like a company's trading account buying shares from me or you.
Buybacks are performed when the company feels its shares are undervalued.
These shares are kept as treasury shares under Equity in the Balance Sheet.
Benefits of buybacks? If the management feels they need money in future or their share is overvalued, they can sell back to the open market and get back money.
Let's say Sunway's share price is RM1.50 and the management feels it's undervalued so they purchase 1,000,000 @ RM1.50 paying RM1,500,000.
Few years later when economy improves, share price goes up to RM1.80. The management then sells 1,000,000 @ RM1.80 receiving RM1,800,000.
By doing this, Sunway gains RM300,000.
These treasury shares can also be distributed as an alternative to cash dividend. Shareholders can then sell these shares in the market if they want cash instead of shares.
This is often performed when the company wants to reward shareholders but prefers to keep liquid cash in the company.
Giving more shares can be even more rewarding to shareholders once profits increase.
Also, shares can be cancelled aka destroyed. If shares are cancelled, this means there are lesser Number of Shares Outstanding (NOSH) in the market.
I.e. less shares have a claim on the company making each share you hold more valuable.
For the same amount of profit, each EPS increases.
Buybacks and cash dividend are both ways of distributing cash.
Assume no taxes, cash dividend is when the management feels their share price is over/fairly valued so they distribute cash dividend.
Buybacks is when the management feels their share price is undervalued.
See above explanation about how buybacks are useful and can improve EPS.
You forgot that buybacks reduce NOSH.
A company with market capitalisation of RM100m with 100m NOSH means each share is RM1 (RM100m/100m shares).
Now if the company bought back 20m shares, NOSH is 80m.
With the same market capitalisation, each share is now worth RM1.25 (RM100m/80m shares).
Yes,on above, I agreed fully with you theoretically.
As mentioned, just as pragmatic, or realistic cash in hand mindset, as minority shareholders, personally I do not agree with buyback. I am ok with other disagree on this, and fully respect disagreement.
1. Company shouldn't engage is share market. Company interest is doing its core business, generate profit to shareholders, not trading shares in the market.
Whether share price is undervalued or not, let the market decided. Market is not "stupid", if a share is undervalued, many investors will snap up quickly which resulted share price has a support.
Even if the share is undervalued due to market distress, it will rise back up when economy normalise.
Yes, buyback treasury shares can be distributed as dividend in specie. But we have real example, there is a company buyback aggressively in the market, keep a lot of treasury shares which in return being distributed as dividend in specie, guess what. Those shares was bought more than 1.50, while market share price is below 1.00. If those cash paid to buyback were distributed as cash dividend, won't it much better? Extra 30% more!
A typical buyback doesn't benefit shareholders which burned the company cash while money varnish in the air.
2. Yes, treasury shares can be cancelled which in return may push up EPS, but minority shareholders get nothing as compared to cash dividend in hand. Market generally doesn't react well on this as compared to cash dividend.
I have a simple mindset of investing in listed company, aka is to get a piece of profit that company generated. If I can always get a piece of profit every year, I do not need to worry about share price, as I already have an avenue to generate a return.
As mentioned before, minority shareholders only have 2 way to make profit or return
a) through cash dividend received
b) through capital appreciation by selling share above buying price.
With cash dividend annually, I need not to rely on b).
Whatever high or low in book value, it remains in the book only.
Market force looks at real cash dividend way more than book value.
Generally, it is difficult to find a stock that has sustainable dividend stocks that its share price is trading below its NTA,
but we have lot of stocks (no dividend or non-sustainable dividend) that are trading below or way below its NTA, that speaks which way market values more.
Want to have good share price without buyback? Give sustainable generous dividend.
A profit generating company with good cash management, there is needless to keep all the profit and cash in company and totally ignoring needs to reward minority shareholders.
Initiate stage growing company, yes, may be, but company won't forever at initial stage grow, once company established well, there is a lot of way to raise capital via bonds, bank loan, if massive capital needed.
A good well managed profitable company will only see cash pile going up more and more over the years, which I see no reason why not letting minority shareholders to get a taste on it.
Cash in our hand (dividend received) is always valuable than book value (cash in the company) our invested company. Unless one is major shareholder or has controlling stake, then different story.
Book value can varnish overnight, cash doesn't.
And with recent crisis, it highlighted further the importance cash in our hand.