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post Jun 20 2008, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jun 20 2008, 02:59 PM)
meaning,  another round of sell-off is imminent?
Sigh... now I'm really a long-term investor... doh.gif
This is already expected but now add " X-Tra" long term
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Think from another point of view... It's an opportunity smile.gif

There's still few quality stock outthere... I've spotted a few smile.gif

Just waiting for the right price

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post Jun 20 2008, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 20 2008, 05:59 PM)
For the buy back, you know what something people doesn't notice is that those buyback programme are making shareholders losing money (on paper) at the moment.

For example, RR is buying back its shares constantly from the market since 3.50 or so. Now share price is only 2.80, so company had bought 'expensive' shares already and if those treasury shares being sold, company actually making a loss, (I knew it won't be sold as it is not the treasury share purposes, instead company will opt to write it off).
So it is much better company use the cash pile as a dividend and rewards the shareholders as cash.

If I attend AGM, I will ask this kind of question. If company need cash pile for future expansion, then fine, but I am the one against share buyback programme, it doesn't reward the shareholders very much. As those cash still being kept in the company, and shareholders don't benefit much from it. Still got lah, as EPS will be higher due to lesser outstanding shares, just dividend is much simple and rewarding.
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Cherroy, it does reward shareholder. The share buyback if cancel the treasury shares means higher future dividend per share and higher earning per share nod.gif nod.gif

Furthermore, the share buyback can be use to do acquisition project... nod.gif nod.gif

Many benefit actually

1] Avoid hostile takeover

2] Preserve the company valuation


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post Jun 20 2008, 09:10 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 20 2008, 08:06 PM)
Not too sure whether the followings work:-

1) Resort share buy back ( up to 10% ) of its shares, so shares are actually retained within the same group using Resort cashflow.

2) At right time ( not now ) ,  when Genting if it is to take Reosrt to private, then it is much easier since less remaining shares in mkt to collect back ( 10% odeli  held by Resort itself ) . Genting just has to buy back 10% in block from Resort World. Meanwhile or right now, Genting does not have to use its own cashflow.

I think it is workable, correct me if I am wrong .
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Share buyback was previously not allowable. However, after the 1997 crisis, the ministry actually permit it and stories goes on till today. It was meant to reduce the fluctuation of share price.

1] They're paying to other shareholder to buyback the share, so cash outflow.

2] There are some restriction towards the usage of the share buyback held in treasuries...


Added on June 20, 2008, 9:48 pm hmm.gif hmm.gif US is doing no good...

See how is monday news....

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 20 2008, 09:57 PM)
I don't understand the share buyback can be used to do acquisition project issue. Mind to share.  smile.gif

Don't get me wrong, buyback is also a good thing to happen.

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If the valuation is right, they will use the share they bought back previously in acquisition project.

When you see Share to share exchange, it's either means the company issue new shares or the shares comes from company treasuries.... nod.gif nod.gif

It's efficient especially when the management deeemed it's cheap in term of valuation..

Eg: Turmoil happen. Company shares drop 50%, after turmoil, company valuation goes up by 50%, then they use the current market price as valuation for share to share exchange, eg: 10 YTL shares for 100 XYZ shares, this way, either party gains...
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 20 2008, 10:17 PM)
OK, I get it, that's on newly issue shares or use treasury share as collateral for acquiring cost.

It will be benefitting if those buyback shares are being acquired at low side.

On my given example on US banks side. Those buyback share are burning the company cash instead benefitting.  smile.gif
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Haha...

If i'm management, i always see the shares currently traded at low side tongue.gif

That explain why...
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post Jun 22 2008, 06:39 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 22 2008, 06:19 PM)
i came across that statement from somewhere. thanks for reminding us once again.
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That was dreamer quote...

It's highly easy to said it loud than practise it in real life...

Dreamer made it but not everyone has the patient and consistency...
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post Jun 23 2008, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Jun 23 2008, 04:14 PM)
this lim kok thay saw I raised my hand to ask a question, but he quickly try to wrap it up as soon as one shareholder finished speaking. (At least a chance for me to speak since his eyes fell on me!)
I was fed up that I forced myself to the microphone to butt in when he started talking .
*sh*T him
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It seems Lim Kok Thay is not really an angel afterall...

I've never attend AGM before because of time and location factor... Even though I'd like to attend once...

But they shouldn't wrap it up so quickly when the shareholder is still raising questions and hands...

It's more like Chinese style, one man show....

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