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keith_hjinhoh
post Jun 13 2008, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 13 2008, 08:13 PM)
Maybulk..

The prices of old vessels oledi appreciate 200%. So it is quite logically to lock in profits, and charter  some vessels.

At more appropriate time ( economies worldwide are not doing well ), then buy back.

A good transportation company does not usually depend 100% on internal vessels.

If business drops by let say by 30%, then the vessels would be left idle or leased out at a loss.

Kouk Brothers like to expand during recession when assets or companies are going cheap.

What they do have something to do with the future ( of the economies ).

Robert Kuok was a very good sugar future trader in his younger days. He moved with calculated risks.
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But then nowaday Robert Kuok is some wat off-hand... It's all left to his son or relatives (Kuok families)

So the theory of robert kuok risk calculation may not applies anymore....

Even though it's quite safe to say robert kuok won't let his investment down the drain.. but do not discount the possibilities....

Anyway... I've took Star Reit @ 0.845 tongue.gif

However, anyone has anything to say about it?

As far as I know Star Reit is heavily dependent on YTL group for its earnings.... shakehead.gif shakehead.gif
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post Jun 13 2008, 10:03 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 13 2008, 09:11 PM)
No exactly. Reit earning is depended on tenants of the properties. So Stareit earning is depended on Lot 10, JW Marriot Hotel and Starhill tenants. Although YTL is a major shareholder of it and is under YTL group, its earning is not through YTL group business, except/unless YTL group company rent the properties typical eg. would be AMfirst whereby AMbank group is its major tenants. Then for AMfirst, it can say AMfirst's earning is highly depended on AMbank group.

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Yea... If you were checking the Stareit properly, you will find out more than 50% of the tenant is actually YTL Group.... sad.gif


Added on June 13, 2008, 10:05 pm
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 13 2008, 09:17 PM)
Why you buy their shares then ?

If you think it is wrong, then now it is the right time to sell them off .If I were you.

If you do not  have a bit of trust in the good management of Maybulk or Pbank, basically it is good for you to stay away from Bursa. Some investors believe there are 5 good companies left in Bursa.
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I buy their shares because of the management capability not the brand name of 'Robert Kuok'.

Thus if one just buying the shares because of 'Robert Kuok' name, then it's dangerous as he's some what hands off...

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post Jun 13 2008, 10:20 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 13 2008, 10:14 PM)
Did I imply investors to buy shares just bcos of Robert Kuok ?

I just casually mention he was a good sugar trader.

But you have to know who is behind a good management team, whether a company is GLC or political linked even it has a good management,
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You're saying he's moved with calculated risk but this is not the case as he's some what hands-off...

Thus if you're just buying Maybulk or any Robert Kuok related shares and you incorporate this factors...

This is not right. You've biased in the first place.

In fact, a good management team should not have something behind. Big Shareholder is such as trust funds, pension funds are mainly there to scrutinies the actions of management. They should not participate in management or intervent unless the management is doing something silly. Else it will be conflict of interest.

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post Jun 13 2008, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Jun 13 2008, 10:30 PM)
You are making conclusions basing your own assumptions , not wrong anyway.

A good management cannot manage in air. They are answerable to Board of Directors. Many things still need board approval. Directors are also answerable to shareholders.

Both management and directors are removable, but not the shareholders.

I mentioned he was during his younger days... ...take note.
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Err, whhat assumptions and conclusion i've made anyway?

I'm just stating out the facts...

Management are answerable to Board. Board are then answerable to shareholder. It's suppose to be like that.

laugh.gif Putting back into that phrase, dont you think it leads people to think that way?

Anyway, OT.

Anymore opinion on the Stareit I've bought?
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post Jun 13 2008, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 13 2008, 11:03 PM)
Amfirst is the one I am mostly aware of conflict of interest between its reit and major shareholder. Still I had bought some in it.

But for Stareit, I don't know YTL tenant contribute as much as 50%, thanks for highlighting anyway.

Still I opt for Reit for its yield, instead putting in FD that yield 3.xx%. 

As long as those tenants lease is more than 3 years and above, that's mean in this 3 years I can expect the yield to materialise. The one I mostly prefer is Axis reit. Between reit I got, Axis reit is the one I have the most. They are the most diversify and having 13+ properties range from office to industrial.

Instead buying properties and rent it out, I prefer reit which is less hassle which is the primary reason I go for reit. Sometimes I treat them as FD only.

Just my opinion and preferences, doesn't necessary right nor guarantee to make money.
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But nonetheless, given the YTL group cash position and their future growth. In short term, I see no reason they will move out their office lot and some of their leases from StarReit. In longer term, if YTL Group no longer financially sound. Then it should trigger a sell on StarReit too...

The things I dont like about Reit is when their location and properties are so diversified, I can no longer see how well is the location is doing... How much the location worth and so on...

I Prefer touch and see... It's quite proud to be in StarHill and claim i'm just 0.0000000005% of the owner....
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post Jun 13 2008, 11:45 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 13 2008, 11:33 PM)
Diversified has its good and bad.

One thing good about reit price currently is that they are trading at mostly 10-15% discount over its NAV as anticipated property sector bearish time ahead, as well as potential higher interest rate in the future which I highly doubt FD rate will go higher or go higher as much.

The more discount to their NAV, the more protection on its downside. As long as those property is in strategic location, the property value is there which won't evaporise like those PN17 company.  tongue.gif
In fact strategic location property value with good demand only will rise due to inflation in the longer term future.

The good thing of having consistent dividend stock (including reit) is that after 10 years+ or so, basically one has recoup all its initial investment. Even company goes broke, you basicially lose the opportunity cost (FD interest). So after 10 years+, those left over on the share price or future dividend yield is your net return already, just how much as compared to FD interest only.

That's just my personal view which I feel comfortable in investing in dividend stocks which has good consistent result of dividend based on their core business profit. That's also I find difficult to convince myself in investing in the stock like Airasia (highly growth stock that give zero dividend) although I am attracted by its penny stock (0.88).  tongue.gif  biggrin.gif
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Very true... But i'm on the safe side.. I actually prefers to see and touch things...

I often trade with OSK that's why i have OSK.

I have confident with YTL group strong financial position, that's why I have YTL. Their track record is good too.

I have confident with Maybulk management, that's why I have Maybulk. I like their annual reports too. But too bad, I can't pay them visit. Else i'd have buy more of maybulk.

I have confident with Help too, I do pay them some visit.. But I have no confident with their track record yet... As they're still new, any bad news will trigger a sell from me...

I have often went to PBBank and HLBank too. That's why I'm targeting PBBank and HLFG.

While I regularly went to GSC Cinema, and PPB is in 'monopoly' situation, they're quite on the safe side... But price is too high ATM... Most probably premium frm Wilmar.

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post Jun 14 2008, 12:15 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 14 2008, 12:05 AM)
I personally don't like college business though, too unpredictable.

I prefer to buy SPB (SPB wholly owned Help before it is listed). I got SPB at Rm2.xx before this round of bull run started (2006-2007) but sold off at 3.xx level already at several stage. It did go as high as near to 5.00.
Some sort of profit lock strategy prompt me to sell.
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No worry, my Help holding is preety low. So I will see how it goes...

I've done some research. Courses offered by Help is pretty up to standard and they produce some good students too.

Let see how it goes... My entry point of Help is preety low... On par with IPO Prices, so anything happened I should have enough time to lock my profit..
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post Jun 15 2008, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 15 2008, 10:07 PM)
Let me REPEAT one more time.  Which country that you are talking about?? You statement works for other countries but it is LESS RELEVANT for USA.  FOOD and GAS is ONLY a small portion of average American monthly expenses.  It is around 10% to 20% in total.
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If Food and Gas only small portion of monthly expenses, why are the american is still keeping mumming on the increase in oil prices and increase in purchase in hybrid cars such as Prius?
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post Jun 16 2008, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(dreamer101 @ Jun 16 2008, 06:58 AM)

Do you have ANY IDEA on the size of money that we are talking about?? China's foreign reserver grow about USD $40 billions per month.  China's economy itself can only absorb about USD $100 billions worth of investment.

We are talking about trillion worth of dollars

Dreamer
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I wonder must they invest in the other country? Can't they keep it in their reserve?
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post Jun 16 2008, 02:14 PM

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QUOTE(hanif444 @ Jun 16 2008, 01:41 PM)
Keep trillion in the reserve get 0 grow....invest into market/shares/bond,...got  few percent grow annually...1 trillion 3% got 30billion...
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Government reserve doesn't work that way if i'm not mistaken...
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post Jun 18 2008, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Jun 18 2008, 03:10 PM)
Maybe 30 or so??

Right now its so dangerous to be bottom fishing. Who knows what will happen tomorrow? MCA to announce press conference?? LOL...

These type of events usually trigger a massive chain reaction.... brows.gif
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Parliment has 222 seats so in order to form a gov with simple majority, 111 seats above are needed by anyone.

PR currently has 82.. They need 30 more...


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post Jun 18 2008, 03:53 PM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Jun 18 2008, 03:50 PM)
By juz making the cut of 112...PR will only hv simple majority but not the 2/3 to control the Parliment.
They need more....at least 40+ for that.

Forming a Gov wif juz simple majority they r not strong enuf to reform & make changes

Guess more things will happened in June 23 when the parliment sits again
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A Simple Majority is enough to make reform and changes....

Since the power of execution lies within cabinet and PM....

Only some form of amendments need 75% agree from parliament...
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post Jun 19 2008, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Jun 19 2008, 01:15 PM)
I guess that doesn't matter much... Since they've decided to quit... They do the vote motion thingy is just to tell the sabahan that they still want to be in BN, but BN dont want SAPP (In order word, dont want Sabahan). tongue.gif

I guess that won't do much to the market as the market alr discounted the news... hmm.gif hmm.gif
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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Jun 19 2008, 02:12 PM)
Yes, SAPP Yong did well. His main agenda was to embarrass AAB. He doesn't care about BN's membership as he wants SAPP to get expeled and to be made a martyr so other Sabah potical parties will join him to form a "Sabahan bloc".

This doesn't bode well for investors in the short term. Political turmoil and the likelihood of an interest rate increase next month.

OT: FKLI June 2008 3 days ago high was 1237, now its trading at 1279.
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Today newspaper say august BNM may rise int rate to 0.25% sad.gif
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post Jun 19 2008, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(AdamG1981 @ Jun 19 2008, 02:18 PM)
Well they have too, or risk being another Vietnam. That's why these few days, i can't see the bottom for CI. Everyday down 1%. By Monday we probably see 1150!!
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Save bullet for the meantime, IF really want to shopping, this Fri should be a good day if you can't wait monday...
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post Jun 19 2008, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(verbatim @ Jun 19 2008, 02:54 PM)
If SAPP is expelled, market should rebound isnt it? Surely no one will support their motion in parliament..
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I dont think so.... Either side line or continue dropping... Until things are clearer only rebound gua...

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QUOTE(chen9wei @ Jun 19 2008, 04:48 PM)
maybulk 3.6 , anyone picking now ?
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pickup later... now still early.. not very cheap tongue.gif
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post Jun 20 2008, 12:18 PM

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bye.gif bye.gif Gamuda.... I dont think there'll be turning back for the mean time..


Added on June 20, 2008, 12:20 pm
QUOTE(cherroy @ Jun 20 2008, 11:29 AM)
What to expect if CEO of the company itself also disposing its shares signficantly.
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Cherroy, I've never been to AGM, I was wondering since the CEO disposing shares significantly, FF won't makes noise? blink.gif blink.gif

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jun 20 2008, 12:40 PM)
game over, GAMUDA sweat.gif

what a bad year for you.
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sweat.gif sweat.gif Their shareholders even worst:omg: ohmy.gif
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post Jun 20 2008, 02:52 PM

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Dont you guyz find something interesting?

Even though the index falls below 1200, but those popular counter doesn't drop much...

PBB- 10.30
Genting - 5.35 (This one contribute some of the drop)

What's that implication?

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