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mtsen
post Apr 8 2009, 10:28 PM

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actually insurance not much different, the less features the less you pay, the more you pay the more features you get ... the only part that hurts is when you want MRTL but they force you to take Link and then market collapse and you have to keep paying more to keep the loan alive ... but if survive the down turn then the return is handsome again ... as if you get free insurance ... something like that ..
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post Apr 15 2009, 11:18 PM

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4-5 houses refinance benefit more to agents, for borrower what matter is income power vs total amount borrowed. if you already have the money you want to borrow, that is the best negotiation power. all others are so so only.

the fact that you want lowest monthly payment mean you have cash flow problem, a smart banker would NOT lend to you no matter how many houses you have, but they will ask you to sell some houses to cover the others
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post Apr 18 2009, 04:08 PM

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Affin bank BLR - 2.2%, try it.

constantly check http://www.malpf.com
the top right corner always show the latest rate
then click on the text to the right of the rate to see a long list of all other institutes' rates



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post Apr 20 2009, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(cucubud @ Apr 20 2009, 08:27 AM)
If your S&P for the house is RM380K, how to get loan for RM380K?
Usually banks will give loan up to 80% or 90% of the house price stated in the S&P.
Do you mean the seller also agree to list the selling price of the house at RM420K in the S&P?
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yes, if s&p write 420k and bank's valuer agrees at 420k, then bank will use 420k

contract says buyer already pay seller 40k in cash so net is 380k but actually seller didn't get any money.

this may sound unethical in residential properties but quite common in commercial estate where different people will value the estate differently, it isn't really a matter of right and wrong ...

that would be one of the key reasons why estate investment is one of the most interesting finance vehicles - but its an Active income and not every has the knowledge and skill to do it.


Added on April 20, 2009, 10:21 amside effects are you pay more stamp duty, lawyer fee etc. its usually not a good thing for residential property unless you already have the money to buy the whole house in cash but just want to keep it for other use.

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post Apr 22 2009, 11:13 PM

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QUOTE(WildChai @ Apr 20 2009, 12:42 PM)
Hi,

I am currently negotiating to buy a house. I am taking a RM430k loan. I don't come back to malaysia much so not sure of what's the best mortgage plan around.

With the current BLR, would it be best to have a fixed rate throughout the entire loan tenure take a loan based on current BLR?

EDIT: ZEC means everything is being placed into the loan? This would be my preference.

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Affin Bank BLR - 2.2%

from top right corner of malpf.com
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post May 9 2009, 01:49 AM

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1. get a refinance offer letter first
2. show current lender and ask them to match
3. then decide to move over or not.
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post May 18 2009, 11:18 AM

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every house loan is a contract, all the fine print by default do not favor you. however, before you sign to agree to any contract, you can request any kind of clause change in it.

unfortunately, all my request to change in my personal asset loan did not ever noticed, the agent will just ignore me because they are more willing to work on the default contracts - work less but receive same commission.


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post May 21 2009, 01:06 PM

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i am not happy that they charges RM 10 every month for flexi loan package.
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post May 21 2009, 03:57 PM

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QUOTE(kayx @ May 21 2009, 02:35 PM)
actually its not the loan that charge you RM10/month, but because your Flexi loan is tied to a current account, so you are "forced" to pay to maintain that account.
banks actually get to earn a lot through promoting flexi loan because they can "cross sell" their other products.

banks tell you the advantage of flexi loan, they don't lie and it's true what they say, but in actual... will you require to constantly take out money and put it in again? and although u get the flexibility to withdraw your money, if you do it often enough, the savings becomes minimal and the interest you pay still more of less the same. other than that, they also hope you will also take advantage of their overdraft, and they get to earn more again. so flexi-loan is really suitable for businessman, instead of poor man like me tongue.gif
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actually I know what and why, but I disagree with the kind of setup. Business wise, it is BEST to have one account for one purpose, with clear purpose at the very beginning. Combining your business risk into your suppose-to-be a safe habour is basically exposing your personal asset into business risk. which is why quite a few 'successful' business men get into problem eventually. real story here

the fact that bank gives a better loan rate to flexi loan and not traditional loan tells that they love to see you gets into trouble eventually.
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post May 21 2009, 05:44 PM

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QUOTE(onnying88 @ May 21 2009, 05:29 PM)
Which bank give better loan rate to flexi loan then traditional loan? I wonder.
From what i know is flexi loan normally 0.2% higher then traditional loan in the market.

The story in the article, is nothing to do with flexi loan. They commited suicide because they losing their fortune from investment. They not die for using flexi loan.
Business risk is mainly come from our judgement when running the business and business model itself. Does any one will take the bank as their main business risk? I believe there's no any company or shop that are not using bank to keep their money nowaday. Simply because the bank is still the best and safe place to put in our cash money. Even it's in our pocket, i feel not safe too. Any company owner or shop owner like to keep all their money in company or shop or pocket?

Using flexi loan is not investment. It just a service that bank offer to us. We wouldn't earn anythings from it. We only save somethings from it.
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I hope you are right that traditional loan rate is lower, coz std chart, hsbc so far want to quote me higher on term loan forcing me to take their flexi loan.
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post May 21 2009, 06:05 PM

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that was my point, with flexi, you are tempted to chew bigger than you can, chances to fail is higher.

comparing loan rate btw diff bank has no implication on flexi vs term loan.

actually term loan can have the SAME effect as the flex, the only extra thing to do is that you should contact the bank prior to bank in the extra money - which is one extra step. The con is troublesome, the Pro however, is you can specify any instruction when making such official request - be it reduce principal or clear up the interest.

but the flexi is already built in and you cann't request any different calculation method.
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post May 21 2009, 06:21 PM

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QUOTE(onnying88 @ May 21 2009, 06:18 PM)
This is why seldom people go to full flexi's bank to take term loan. Both SC and HSBC straight away give you flexi loan once you apply loan from them. They are few banks that encourage people to use flexi loan. So if you asking for term loan, they might not interested to deal with you also.
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I think ya I have just learned about that too, but all is not lost. Both banks are still reviewing my appeal, I still hope they can come back to me with term loan and lower rate biggrin.gif
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post May 23 2009, 12:34 AM

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QUOTE(onnying88 @ May 21 2009, 06:35 PM)
I still not understand what's the relationship between business and flexi loan you tring to say here.
The example i show above is never link to any business account or whatever. It just assume that you put your monthly income which is RM5k and use up RM5k the end of every month. You put NO EXTRA MONEY inside the account or bank at the end of the month. I don't see anythings wrong or harmful or different to personal or our business. You just earn money and spend money as usual.

Yes, both semi flexi or flexi are usually using daily rest to calculate interest nowaday,unless stated in your Loan Agreement. In your example, YES, both package also shorten your tenure in the same time as long the interest rate is same. Because you paying the SAME EXTRA MONEY also. But what's i'm trying to show in my previous example, by using flexi loan, you can shorten your tenure even more by paying NO EXTRA MONEY to the loan.


Added on May 21, 2009, 6:50 pm

How can we fail by using flexi loan? we are not investing our money in flexi to earn money, we just put our money that we usually put in bank, This time will be the same bank that we apply the loan, to save money in term of interest.

Yes, i agree that all the loan is the same, we borrow money and pay interest for it. That's what a loan is.

The con is not only troublesome. Did you count in the money you spend to make 2 trip to the bank to make the extra payment? One for summit the letter to inform the bank and second trip after approved to dump money, you need to go to bank and transfer the money. Parking? fuel? time?
I recall in the earlier post, some one get an offer from RHB bank term loan that even require us to pay 2% for the extra payment you make.

Reduce principal or clear up the interest, i dunno what's the different there, what's the different calculation we need in flexi loan?  hmm.gif
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ok, my apology and let me restart. flexi loan does have more 'flexible' features than normal house loan. But to 'actually' enjoy those benefits, one really need to (1) really understand personal finance and (2) have good self discipline.

But as far as what I can observed for the past 6-7 years, human nature are just born to fail above 2 requirements. Most ended up withdrawing more and depositing so less frequent.

some did enjoy great benefits from the RM 10 monthly fee, but most done ... its just my statistical observation.
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post May 23 2009, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(onnying88 @ May 23 2009, 02:40 AM)
First of all, no need to apology la, we just sharing our opinion here only  tongue.gif

Yup, i totally agree with you. We need to have (1) and (2) in order to fully utilies Flexi loan and it's function.
It's same apply to credit card, it may be very usefull and save money if we have (1) and (2),

Statistic show that most of the majority doesn't have (1) and (2), and human nature are just born to fail above 2 requirements, But will this continue in future? Human will always learn from failure and improve from it. I believe this is why human is dominating the earth now. That's what i believe, with proper educate and by time, people will have better (1) and (2).

That's what's my job doing now for all my client. I wouldn't simply let my client to take flexi loan if they does not know how it works and what is it. I will always educate my client with banking info and how does mortgage loan working first. From there i can understand my clients needs and propose the best loan package to them. You and i know that flexi loan need to have (1) and (2) to enjoy the benefit,so do my clients. By consulting and educate my clients about (1) and (2),Mostly of my client will take flexi loan in the end, Simply because we know flexi loan does really save interest for us. smile.gif
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good, u do it the positive way, i do it the 'negative' ways, perhaps we can cover all ground that way biggrin.gif
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post May 25 2009, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(bob @ May 25 2009, 10:25 AM)
i want to refinance my home loan ...... which one is better,
do refinance with the same bank or with other bank.???

currently my loan is with cimb & plan to switch to mayban .... is it ok?? both give me same interest rate but mayban give 'no penalty fee'...
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get from maybank, then show maybank's offer to cimb and ask them to match. if cimb match, good. else switch.

according to http://www.malpf.com/ best deal is now Affin Bank BLR - 2.3% but there are many other considerations also in house loan.

good luck !
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post Jun 21 2009, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(bezet @ Jun 20 2009, 12:22 AM)
Let see here..

my steady income is around 4.5K/ month, can fork out up to 20k for downpayment. My age is around 24...

Should be able to get a 300k loan for a house ?

A simple answer would be great... Thank you
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300k would probably comes with rm2200 monthly repayment for 30 years, 2200 is almost 50% of your 4.5k, so I would say you WON'T get it.

Just apply multiple loans from multiple banks, then if more than one bank approves you, you select one. NO NEED to ask in forum like this ...
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post Jun 22 2009, 06:16 PM

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pretty good saving there actually, where do you get the idea to have 2 years saving ? other than those marketing talk !?


Added on June 22, 2009, 6:25 pm
QUOTE(onnying88 @ Jun 21 2009, 11:04 AM)
I think your calculation on installment amount is wrong le.

RM300k, BLR-2%,
30years tenure,monthly installment is only RM1356.  biggrin.gif
15years tenure, monthly installement then only RM2153.
It's under 30% of the salary RM4.5k.

That's why earlier i will said no problem for TS to get the loan approve if there is no others debt in hand. smile.gif
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sorry, u r rite, I usually use 6-8% for long term housing calculation regardless of what the market rate is, it gives me extra room ...

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 8 2009, 04:10 PM)
I just got offer letter from UOB.

This is for a non-zero moving cost housing loan, so I included my loan agreement fees/stamping, penalty I have to pay to existing bank, plus some money meant for the developer upon getting title. So I total it up and borrow this amount - lets say 450k. My actual balance is lets say only 400k. But UOB offer letter separate my current loan balance and the rest and name them as Housing Loan=400k and Fixed Loan=50k. Dont know why they do like that. Rate is the same but why two different accounts instead of one account. I asked them they say its for their own internal accounting purposes which I suspect something else is up their sleeve. I havent really gone thru the letter yet and its not easy to read all the mumjo jumbo.

Anyone with this experience with UOB? Im getting highly suspicious of them  unsure.gif
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i don't have specify experience with UOB, but this seems like separating equity and typical loan account, if it is true, its kind of cool in Malaysia. can you PM me your loan agent ?

bank actually earns more from flexi loan, so i cann't think of any worse scenario than giving you all at flexi loan. At worst, this seems like a case where the agent has some target to meet and this is one of the way he can upgrade the 400k loan to 450k .....

do keep us update what happened next ...


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post Jul 14 2009, 04:03 PM

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i checked with cimb last week, there are NO setup fee and NO monthly fee ... anyone from CIMB can answer why above said RM200 + RM10 ... which is correct ?


Added on July 14, 2009, 4:05 pm
QUOTE(yssee85 @ Jul 13 2009, 11:28 PM)
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crap...
be nice to people, people be nice to you...
dozen of people apply...
attitude so F***, no body would care...
even if its a sales, doesn't mean i have to throw my dignity and let people scold or pressure.
As a consumer you must be smart, but not ego. Ask nicely and pressure people is different issue and both of this action receive different kind of treatment.

and please do remember we have authority to approve or reject without giving a reason.
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except like the TV series House, "when you are right, everything else does NOT matter" ... so dr. House treats everyone like crap and yet he can do whatever he wishes ... because he can cure when others cann't ... biggrin.gif

irrelevant but just a thought

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post Jul 21 2009, 12:17 PM

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ya, cimb islamic is my choice too for now, mainly because no fee and yet flexi.

but dun know why, my instinct still think fishy smile.gif

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