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kimhoong
post Jun 21 2009, 05:31 PM

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Hi guys,

UOB is proposing me a package with "weekly" installments instead of "monthly" installments.

The rate is 0.1% lesser than other package (eg BLR-2.1% when others are offering BLR-2.2%).

As claimed, the advantage of this package is the tenure years of 30 will be reduced to 26.

Here's my analysis (as I posted in The Zest thread):
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My conclusion on this package is will reduce the tenure year by 1 year 10 months BY INCREASING THE FREQUENCY of installment payments (via weekly installments)

As I have not decided on which package to take, I need to decide on one matter:

If I have more saving (per week or per month), which is more beneficial:
1) Increasing the frequency of installment (for example weekly)
2) Decreasing my principle (for flexi, semi-flexi monthly installment plan)

Kindly advise notworthy.gif

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post Jun 22 2009, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(SonyBravia @ Jun 21 2009, 10:45 PM)
You can actually do weekly payment with flexi loan too. The result will be the same.

This is because your interest is keep on reduce weekly when you paying weekly to UOB.

Thus,
It will be the same result if you pay weekly to flexi loan. As the flexi loan will reduce interest in the same way when you pay weekly.

Beside of weekly,do you know that, if you manage to pay daily to flexi loan, your tenure will reduce even more. smile.gif
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Good feedback but I do not think the bank will offer daily payment due to overheads tongue.gif

As pointed out in my post, comparison is on (semi-) flexi both. The main concern is whether
1) Weekly installment (Pro: Highly frequency payment per year = favorable interest calculation/reduction - Cons: additional 2K++ payment a year)
2) Monthly installment (Pro: 2K++ lesser (eq. 1 month installment) Cons: normal interest calculation?)

QUOTE(idoblu @ Jun 22 2009, 09:59 AM)
ok after being pointed out the 52 payments thing, i recalculated and found that I would only save another 15k and not really 3 years worth of payments as I initially thought. In terms of monthly payments saved - only 6 months worth as compare to monthly payments.

Is there an online calculator where I can forecast for full flexi plan?
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From my calculation, your "actual" tenure year will be reduced by 4 years

HOWEVER, you will only save up 1 year 10 months of installments - not 4 years due to additional "one-month installment" paid annually.


I don't know if what I've calculated is correct. Looking forward to get feedback from experts here notworthy.gif


Here's one feedback I got from The Zest thread where I initially posted this issue (FYI, he has taken up this package but on fortnightly instead of weekly):

QUOTE(gamenoob @ Jun 22 2009, 10:01 AM)
The reason why I advocate the fortnight payment is to take advantage of the daily rest interest from the bank loan calculation. Years ago, local bank not willing to do daily rest interest and only foreign bank ie Citi/HSBC/SC etc.

So by doing fornight payment (splitting the monthly into 2) will increase the loan principal reduction calculation and expedite the loan repayment as you have seen.

Other may say why the hassle of fortnightly when you still paying 1 extra month per year and why not take that 1 extra month and divide by 12 and hence bump up the monthly amount while still paying it on monthly basis. This approach also similar and also reduce the payment period. The debate can be academic and hope someone else have the full financial loan sheet to demo this on the actual saving of these 2 approach.

Either way, you are paying that 1 month extra per year and it still save substantially at Rm24.7k. The diff of this vs your own self dumping money is, your set it up as a force pattern and forget instead of constantly making conscious effort to top up variable amount.

There are no extra effort, just setup a saving acct on the same bank and have it deduct automatically every fortnight.

Obviously you can do it weekly but moving from fortnight to weekly, the saving is not that much. and if your bank willing... hey every cents count.

If you have extra cash to clear off our principal, go and knock it off.... but why do that if the BLR is all time low and with the minus 2% from bank.. your effective loan interest is just than 3.55%.... surely you can keep the cash and invest somewhere for better returns...
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post Jul 5 2009, 02:40 PM

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I'd like to raise a new issue in Housing Loan.

My banker has mistaken my application as a joint-borrowers application whereas I wanted a a sole-borrower one. The other borrower is my gf.

At first I thought of putting my name alone to be the borrower so that my gf's profile can be remained "clean".

After realizing the issue, the banker said that if I remove her name, the rate will not be this good. Furthermore, according to him, if the future 2nd property is under both names, it doesn't make any difference.

Questions:
1. Is one borrower alone better than joint?

2. If I am getting BLR-2.3% as joint-borrowers application but BLR-2.2% otherwise, which one is better?

PS: sorry for the layman terms sweat.gif

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post Jul 6 2009, 09:26 AM

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QUOTE(Pai @ Jul 5 2009, 03:46 PM)
1. This is subjective, as both has its own advantages. However personally I think its better to be a single borrower especially when your co-borrower is your GF only. No point getting her involved as things could get messy if things didnt happen as what u both has planned in the future.

2. Honestly, 0.1% diff is really just a few dollars a month. No point losing some sleep over this.
btw, think your banker here is being plain lazy and refuse to resubmit your case again. USUALLY, rates are normally determined by loan size, not the credit worthiness of borrower(s).
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Thanks for your input.

I'll talk over the matter with my banker, insisting for a change.
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post Jul 9 2009, 02:54 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 8 2009, 04:10 PM)
I just got offer letter from UOB.

This is for a non-zero moving cost housing loan, so I included my loan agreement fees/stamping, penalty I have to pay to existing bank, plus some money meant for the developer upon getting title. So I total it up and borrow this amount - lets say 450k. My actual balance is lets say only 400k. But UOB offer letter separate my current loan balance and the rest and name them as Housing Loan=400k and Fixed Loan=50k. Dont know why they do like that. Rate is the same but why two different accounts instead of one account. I asked them they say its for their own internal accounting purposes which I suspect something else is up their sleeve. I havent really gone thru the letter yet and its not easy to read all the mumjo jumbo.

Anyone with this experience with UOB? Im getting highly suspicious of them  unsure.gif
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I do not have your kind of experience. I have another actually.

For those who still remember, I have been offered a package of weekly installment. Yesterday, I received the document. I could not see a word call "weekly". I only saw something like "late monthly installment penalty".

So, I ask the banker about this and he told me: "The weekly installment plan is not stated black & white (*suspicious*). It works this way, when you bank in your installment for the first time, put a standing order that this is for weekly installment. The bank will help you to convert it."

Then, I asked him about the late installment penalty, whether it is referring to late-weekly or late-monthly penalty, he said it's on monthly blink.gif I kept asking for more details and finally he said he would come back to me on this next time doh.gif


This is just for sharing only. I'm still thinking about the offer now tongue.gif
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post Jul 9 2009, 03:19 PM

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QUOTE(idoblu @ Jul 9 2009, 03:09 PM)
the weekly thing is actually for ppl who is worry that they spend all the paycheck so they bank it in and the bank takes it weekly. if you want to save on interest, better you bank straight in the loan account the entire one month ahead. so instead of weekly, bit by bit, you get one a whole month principle reduction immediately

btw my letter also did not indicate the weekly thing
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Weekly installment plan is to enable your loan payment and interest to be calculated weekly. Therefore, you will shorten the tenure year. This was what I was told on my first meeting with the banker.

Personally, I am skeptical about it. This system sounds like help us to be disciplined enough to pay our installment more frequent and on time, rather than looking for loan calculation gain

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post Jul 14 2009, 10:25 AM

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I don't want to play blaming game here; but I'd like to add my 2 cents.

Being a customer, you have your consumer right.

Being a banker, you have to comply with your professionalism.


As posted before - an application can be approved in 30 minutes, why make it 3 months? Too busy? I wonder.
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post Jul 14 2009, 11:09 AM

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QUOTE(Backkom @ Jul 14 2009, 10:30 AM)
Hmm 30 mins is not some normal application I presume?
Normal application will take 5-7 working days to process, 2 weeks still acceptable, but 3 months too long la...

Anyway let's stop the blaming/shouting here, we're supposed to be working together to make money here, remember?  rclxms.gif
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Yes, let's stop the blaming.

No matter what the result, there is no real winner anyway. Both parties will suffer.

As a customer, we should give our fullest cooperation.

As a banker, you should do whatever under your capabilities towards the favor of your customer.

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